LR5 and external image editing.

When editing an image or images in an external editor, such as CS5, OnOne, Nik, etc, LR5 places the images (when it works) at the end of the image sequence instead of where the origonal image came from and stacking the edited images with it. This is different than LR3 or LR4. LR5 does not seem to play well with Nik software either. After editing three images in Nik DHR Efex Pro 2 the saved image did not reapear in LR5. This was never a problem in LR4. Is there some 'tweeking' that needs to be done in LR5??

I expect that your Sort Order just needs to be changed, in order to always put the edited images next to the originals they are based on.
For example, if you sort by Capture time they will appear together - because the information about what date / time the shutter fired, is the same for all derived versions (external edit copies, virtual copies included). If you sort by date added, or date edited, then the Filmstrip and Grid view will reflect the working sequence instead.
Sorting options are on the Toolbar at the bottom of the Grid screen (above the filmstrip), press T if that is not showing. If sorting does not show up on the Toolbar, enable that using the arrow at the right hand end of the Toolbar strip.
When you edit an image into (e.g.) a Nik utility, this is basically the same as when you send an image to any other external editor: you will need to save your work to the filename that Lightroom has defined, and which LR is therefore "watching", in order for the changes made to appear back in LR.
If you fail to save into the filename which LR is aware of, your work will not appear there - and if you save into a file LR is not aware of, then it will... be unaware of that (grin)..
The only situation AFAIK where LR is going to pick up on some other ad-hoc filename and location, is when you edit into Photoshop via a compatible ACR version. In this case (only) the two products go into a specially-scripted interaction, where the image is seen at first in a "not yet saved" state, with LR kept specially "in the loop" as to what then happens - either saving the edit to a file, or else cancelling and discarding the edit.
One way to distinguish when PS is working in this specially-compatible way, rather than in the more usual way described above, is that your document window will be titled something like "document1", while an image is (so far) unsaved. But I would not expect to ever see this when a third-party utility or plugin is used.

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Updated iMac to Yosemite. Now when in LR5 and try to edit photo in PS CS5 I get error 15 and it will not open. I've uninstalled PS and reinstalled it but still get the same error. Any thoughts out there.

I just upgraded my iMac to Yosemite. Now when in LR5 and try to edit a photo in PS CS5 I get error message 15. It says to uninstall and reinstall PS CS5. Done that and error is still there. I can open PS outside of LR but not inside. Any thoughts?

The first thing I would suggest is for you to go to the folder containing your catalog, using your system browser. There will be a folder that has the extension .lrdata. Delete that folder, and then try to start Lightroom. If that doesn't work, replace your catalog with your most recent backup.

Problems with animated masks and external images

I have an instance of a movieClip on the stage and I load an external JPG into the movieClip. The movieClip is masked by a layer that begins animating on a certain frame. As soon as I reach that frame my externally loaded JPG disappears. The movieClip doesn't mind being masked, but as soon as the mask animates the external image goes away. The mask animation is shapes drawn frame by frame.
It is interesting to note that if I create a Class and load the JPG into the movieClip (or do this in a constructor) I do not experience this problem - it is when the JPGs are loaded into an instance of the movieClip that lives on the stage that I encounter this. Unfortunately that is not an option in my project (since I have to get the path for the JPG from an xml file I am loading).
Could someone please help me with this?

that's a flash bug.

What is diff B/W dalta image and reverse image

What is diff B/W dalta image and reverse image
Edited by: Philip Eller on Jun 3, 2008 8:44 AM
Edited by: Philip Eller on Jun 17, 2008 9:18 AM*

Please post your question to the BW forum.

Help on resizing text boxes and general image techniques

Using CS2.
I have two basic questions. One has to do with getting the best vector images (with text) that I can for placement in InDesign documents. The other has to do with the specifics of working with text boxes in FW.
The easiest way for me to produce vector images has been by using PowerPoint. I do all the graphics work and then save it as a gif. I do cropping in a graphics tool (Irfanview, PS) and then insert or place the image. As long as there is no resizing, things work well. I'm not sure how things like DPI are controlled using this technique but I'm assuming that also would be done with the graphics tool. I know Irfanview allows for the dpi to be specified during resizing.
The problem starts to show up when the gif object is resized. Things get distorted and I lose the crispness of the image contents. I'm certainly not an expert on graphics however I've been thinking I either need to 1) make the actual size of graphics in PP the size of the final placed image so there is no resizing (just some cropping) or 2) to work in a tool like FW where (I'm assuming) there are better capabilities to resize vector graphics. My sense (again, not an expert) is that the process I'm using converts to vector graphics in PP to a bitmap image in the gif and that resizing doesn't work as well for bitmaps as for vector objects. Do I have that right?
Moving on to question 2:
Can text boxes be resized in FW without distorting the text? Can their size be seen when originally drasing them? Perhaps spoiled by PowerPoint, I like to set the width of vector objects (e.g. rectangle) and the width of the text that will fill it to the same size. (I know PP has the ability to put borders on text boxes but when working in FW I need to work with 2 objects, the rectangle and the text box). Say I have a rectangle that is 81px wide. Can I set a text box to 81px wide without distorting the text?
I tend to want to control actual object sizes so I can get good spacial alignment. For example, I tend to set the width of a text object to an odd number of px so that any line coming out of the text object aligns well with the text. I must admit that it may be time for me to use a different technique in FW (e.g. more alignment of multiple objects vs. knowing dimensions and seting locations). Does my approach need improvement?
Thanks for any advice
Tom

As I wean off of PP I've started looking at FW and Illustrator (I have both). I've done a logo or two in FW and have used it to build some simple web graphics (e.g. buttons, menus). It can, as I recall, be a little more complex than what I need in this case.
Since PP is not a graphics program, its drawing capabilities are very limited. As a consequence, any graphics application will have many more features than you're used to seeing and more than you need for any one project.
I did a little experimenting with Illustrator and my first impression is that it will work better for me for this work. It seems a little more intuitive.
Is a general guideline to use FW for web-destined graphics and Illustrator for what I used to do in PP?
Your suggested guideline is good. Also, note that if you make a logo or vector graphic in Illustrator (saving as .ai format), you can import that into Fireworks and work with it as a vector object there. FW can import and use, just not create, .ai objectes and files.
FW has some vector tools, they are tucked away under Window > Others > Path. Since FW is intended for producing Web graphics, it is a hybrid application, capable of both vector and photo/image editing. Given that it has some of both, it necessarily doesn't have everything that Illustrator has nor everything that Photoshop has. It has most the features of both of those programs, as long as the feature is useful for a Web graphics designer. For pure photo editing Photoshop has the edge; for pure illustration, Illustrator has the edge. Both Photoshop and Illustrator support color profiles and other features important for print that Fireworks does not. All are good programs, but there are reasons to prefer one over the other depending on what kind of graphics you need to create or work with and what your intended use of the work is. (But any of them will be superior to PowerPoint! )
I'm not sure I can unravel the mystery with the text box resizing. I suspect theres an option selected. Knowing it can be done is enough for me to do some homework.
Maybe...don't think of text boxes at all. You have text objects. The object has a bounding box that is determined by the underlying definition of the font, but it isn't in a text box. (Sometimes swooshs will extend beyond the defining box of a character in the font, but that is another issue). The bounding box for the text object is similar to the bounding box of a circle or a star or an irregular shape. There's a reference box for the dimensions, but the text is not inside some other independent container.
To resize, select the text object and change the font size either using the Properties palette or using the scale tool to drag on a corner of the scaling outline (different from the bounding box, and I don't know why, sorry).
I think that,with Illustrator, you can define text boxes (or other shapes) and fill them with text. *searches* Ah.. Like these: http://school.tatoland.com/illustrator/aitype.html
cheers!
Lorraine

Displaying scanned image in image edit control

Hi,
i have a kodak image scan control and kodak image edit control on my form. iam able to scan images and save them to filesystem, but iam not able to display the scanned image in the image edit control. can anybody pl. help me.
thanks in advance.
Krupal.

Hi emery,
thanks a lot. but to load by load_image_file the image i dont have an image on the filesystem. the image has to be scanned and the scanned image has to be displayed in the image edit control. so what i need is to link the image scan control and the image edit control. for that i have to specify the destination source of image scan control to image edit control. but the destination source is a list in scan control which is not editable. moreover the list contains the image edit control name as imagedit1... no matter what u specify the name in property palette. anyway i tried all these.. but all my efforts were invain.
bye.

I had all photos on a Windows desktop. Got a mac laptop, installed LR5, and put all images from Windows onto an external hard drive. When I go to import them into LR on the Mac, they are all locked. Help, please. Thanks

I had all photos on a Windows desktop. Got a mac laptop, installed LR5, and put all images from Windows onto an external hard drive. When I go to import them into LR on the mac, they are all locked. Help, please!

"I plugged the external into the Mac and moved a folder of images onto the desktop. It looks like it went from read only to not locked. Is this possible?"
Yes, that's exactly what happened. If you buy another drive, you could copy from your existing drive to the new and your files will be read/write. The new drive will have to be formatted as an HFS drive (that's the Mac's format). If you need to format it, you use Disk Utility which is in the Utilities folder on your Mac. Be careful with that -- it wipes out whatever is currently on the drive. Make sure you format the right drive.
I keep all my images on an external drive, too. In fact, I have two matching drives and sync them so I always have a backup.

Traveling, LR5, Laptop and External HDD

Hello Experts,
I am reasonably new to LR5 and want to know if what I WANT to do will actually work in real life...
I have an external HDD with my images and file structure that which LR5 references. Currently this is hooked up to a Mac Mini, but I am interested in swapping out to a laptop instead.
What I would like to do is travel with the laptop, shoot and import my photos into LR5 while on the road. Maybe make some edits (LR and PS), rate, and the usual stuff. Then when I return to the house to hook up the external drive and have all the photos, edits, etc., copy over automatically as if this was all done while sitting in the office.
Is this a realistic dream?
Thanks for any help and advice.

I think it will work except the automatic part. I use a MBP for both a home desktop and a travel laptop. At home it is tethered to a Thunderbolt display, which is in turn connected to a 2 gig thunderbolt HD, where all of my photographs live. The LR catalog is on the MBP SSD, all of which are backed up. When I leave home I work solely on the MBP,importing new photos onto the internal SSD. I do what edits I want there. When I get home I drag and drop the new folder from the SSD to the external HD (very important to do this inside of LR). It is very fast and very easy and no need to "export as catalog" etc. I usually don't carry the ext HD with me for several reason, but certainly could if need be.
Good luck

Images edited externally do not appear in catalog.

Before I upgraded to CS6 and ACR 8.1, LR would properly catalog the externally edited file and it would stack next to the original file.
But now, when I save the file in Photoshop, I would see that the filename change from RAW to Tiff, and the image would save into the source folder. However, there is no file of it in my LR catalog. I would have manually import the externally edited file into the catalog, which I'm sure this is not how it's supposed to work.
Any ideas on how to solve this issue? Thanks very much in advance. This is frustating for the workflow. :/
System:
OSX 10.8.4
2.8 GHz i7
8GB RAM
Software Versions:
LR 5.0
CS 6.0.13
ACR 8.1.0.43
LR 5 External Editing Settings:
Edit in Photoshop CS6
Format: TIFF
Color Space: ProPhoto RGB
Bit: 16
Res: 300
Compression: none (I keep choosing LZW, but it apparently never remembers my pref)
"Stack with Original" is checked
Additional External Editor is not setup.

UPDATE:
The problem is this: I have a server running WHS, which houses all my media.
I tested this hypothesis by putting some raw files on my desktop and when I externally edited one of those, LR worked properly and cataloged the externally edited file.
Well THIS SUCKS....
Here's system info copied from LR5
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Memory cache size: 303.6 MB
Maximum thread count used by Camera Raw: 4
Displays: 1) 2560x1440, 2) 1680x1050
Application folder: /Applications
Library Path: /Users/Robert/Desktop/Work in Progress test/Work in Progress test-2.lrcat
Settings Folder: /Users/Robert/Library/Application Support/Adobe/Lightroom
Installed Plugins:
1) Behance
2) Canon Tether Plugin
3) Facebook
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5) Leica Tether Plugin
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7) SmugMug
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OK Devs... any help?

Since todays updates to PS CC and LR5.4 LR's "Edit in" options dimmed

Since todays updates to PS CC and LR5.4 LR's "Edit in" options dimmed in both the Photo -> Edit in ... menu and the contextual menu. I've tried tossing the Photoshop.plist and relaunching Photoshop CC then relaunching LR also rebooting machine. LR preferences for external editor recognize Photoshop CC and do not allow a change to primary editor. Any tips, hints, or way to go back to LR 5.3? I'm on a deadline and this is a real time suck to manually export, edit, reimport... next photo, repeat...
Thanks,
David

Okay, so after all of that, the issue is that I have Smart Previews activated so I can edit within LR fine but any option to Edit in... anything else is grayed out. That makes sense, but there really should be a dialog reminding us ideally with an option to located/connect the actual images.

Edit photo in LR5 not opening image with LR edits in PSCC

I've been using the edit photo in PS option from LR2 all the way through to LR4 with no issues, and now since upgrading to LR5 and PSCC my images will not open in PSCC with the edits Ive done in LR5. Its beyond frustrating.
Can anyone suggest any tips? I have reset warnigs in the preferences, played with the external editing options, but so far nothing has helped.

Under the "Additional Enternal Editor" / Application you are probably pointing to "Adobe Photoshop Elements" instead of "Adobe Photoshop Elements Editor" See here for more info
http://lightroomkillertips.com/?p=4876

I need your help with a decision to use iPhoto. I have been a PC user since the mid 1980's and more recently have used ACDSee to manage my photo images and Photoshop to edit them. I have used ProShow Gold to create slideshows. I am comfortable with my

I need your help with a decision to use iPhoto. I have been a PC user since the mid 1980’s and more recently have used ACDSee to manage my photo images and Photoshop to edit them. I have used ProShow Gold to create slideshows. I am comfortable with my own folder and file naming conventions. I currently have over 23,000 images of which around 60% are scans going back 75 years. Since I keep a copy of the originals, the storage requirements for over 46,000 images is huge. 180GB plus.
I now have a Macbook Pro and will add an iMac when the new models arrive. For my photos, I want to stay with Photoshop which also gives me the Bridge. The only obvious reason to use iPhoto is to take advantage of Faces and the link to iMovie to make slideshows. What am I missing and is using iPhoto worth the effort?
If I choose to use iPhoto, I am not certain whether I need to load the originals and the edited versions. I suspect that just the latter is sufficient. If I set PhotoShop as my external editor, I presume that iPhoto will keep track of all changes moving forward. However, over 23,000 images in iPhoto makes me twitchy and they are appear hidden within iPhoto. In the past, I have experienced syncing problems with, and database errors in, large databases. If I break up the images into a number of projects, I loose the value of Faces reaching back over time.
Some guidance and insight would be appreciated. I have a number of Faces questions which I will save for later.

Bridge and Photoshop is a common file-based management system. (Not sure why you'd have used ACDSEE as well as Bridge.) In any event, it's on the way out. You won't be using it in 5 years time.
Up to this the lack of processing power on your computer left no choice but to organise this way. But file based organisation is as sensible as organising a Shoe Warehouse based on the colour of the boxes. It's also ultimately data-destructive.
Modern systems are Database driven. Files are managed, Images imported, virtual versions, lossless processing and unlimited editing are the way forward.
For a Photographer Photoshop is overkill. It's an enormously powerful app, a staple of the Graphic Designers' trade. A Photographer uses maybe 15% to 20% of its capability.
Apps like iPhoto, Lightroom, Aperture are the way forward - for photographers. There's the 20% of Photoshop that shooters actually use, coupled with management and lossless processing. Pop over to the Aperture or Lightroom forums (on the Adobe site) and one comment shows up over and over again... "Since I started using Aperture/ Lightroom I hardly ever use Photoshop any more..." and if there is a job that these apps can do, then the (much) cheaper Elements will do it.
The change is not easy though, especially if you have a long-standing and well thought out filing system of your own. The first thing I would strongly advise is that you experiment before making any decisions. So I would create a Library, import 300 or 400 shots and play. You might as well do this in iPhoto to begin with - though if you’re a serious hobbyist or a Pro then you'll find yourself looking further afield pretty soon. iPhoto is good for the family snapper, taking shots at birthdays and sharing them with friends and family.
Next: If you're going to successfully use these apps you need to make a leap: Your files are not your Photos.
The illustration I use is as follows: In my iTunes Library I have a file called 'Let_it_Be_The_Beatles.mp3'. So what is that, exactly? It's not the song. The Beatles never wrote an mp3. They wrote a tune and lyrics. They recorded it and a copy of that recording is stored in the mp3 file. So the file is just a container for the recording. That container is designed in a specific way attuned to the characteristics and requirements of the data. Hence, mp3.
Similarly, that Jpeg is not your photo, it's a container designed to hold that kind of data. iPhoto is all about the data and not about the container. So, regardless of where you choose to store the file, iPhoto will manage the photo, edit the photo, add metadata to the Photo but never touch the file. If you choose to export - unless you specifically choose to export the original - iPhoto will export the Photo into a new container - a new file containing the photo.
When you process an image in iPhoto the file is never touched, instead your decisions are recorded in the database. When you view the image then the Master is presented with these decisions applied to it. That's why it's lossless. You can also have multiple versions and waste no disk space because they are all just listings in the database.
These apps replace the Finder (File Browser) for managing your Photos. They become the Go-To app for anything to do with your photos. They replace Bridge too as they become a front-end for Photoshop.
So, want to use a photo for something - Export it. Choose the format, size and quality you want and there it is. If you're emailing, uploading to websites then these apps have a "good enough for most things" version called the Preview - this will be missing some metadata.
So it's a big change from a file-based to Photo-based management, from editing files to processing Photos and it's worth thinking it through before you decide.

Aperture, Photoshop, and Apple's possible direction for Image Editing

All,
After using Aperture now for several days, and reading many different forum topics, in particular this one which speaks of desired enhancements to Aperture:
http://discussions.apple.com/thread.jspa?threadID=253594&tstart=0
there is one thing that really sticks out on my mind. While all of us photographers have slightly different specifics to our workflow, in general they are very similar. And with respect to Aperture, there is one huge area where most of us seem to be hitting the brick wall: image adjustments, and by extension, image file management. Let me explain what I mean.
I think it is a fair generalization to say that the vast majority of serious digital photographers are using Photoshop (or some other image editing app, but I'm just going to refer to Photoshop for convenience) for post-processing of some kind. In using Aperture, and figuring out how to fit it into workflow, we've got this situation of how to move from organization and image library management to the full gamut of image adjusting functionality (photoshop) and back again to library management. The need to use photoshop then exposes the issue of how files are stored on the filesystem, etc. Stay with me here...
I have found myself thinking, and it is pretty clearly demonstrated in the forum topic mentioned above where folks are making suggestions for improvements to Aperture, that there's this barrel people are over in knowing whether Photoshop and Aperture should live in the workflow together, or whether Aperture should (or is intended to) replace Photoshop in the workflow. This got me to thinking about the fundamental question -- what is the intent, i.e. the vision for Aperture? Is it meant to replace Photoshop, or restated, is Aperture meant to be the app in which all image adjustments are to be made, OR is Aperture meant to just ease workflow, and is it intended not to be the primary app for image adjustments, but rather integrate with the primary image adjustment app?
The reason I bring this up is that the answer to this question makes all the difference in what enhancement requests and what people should expect from Aperture now, and in future versions. If Aperture is the primary place for image adjustment, then its obvious that there are some very significant additions that need to take place to Aperture, and likewise, the issue of putting images on the filesystem becomes much less important. However, if Aperture is a workflow-easer, then such image adjustment improvements are minimally important if at all, and filesystem / Photoshop / PSD file integration becomes paramount.
I know what Aperture does, what features it provides, etc. But I can't help but realize that its not really that clear (or I just don't understand yet) what the full scope of Aperture now and in the future is intended to be, and the forum topics are pretty decent documentation of the fact that the user base at this point is fairly cloudy on that too.
I can't help thinking that in the midst of the Apple pro line of tools, where we have tools that edit: video, audio, DVD creation, text effects, and now digital photography workflow, that there's one glaring hole: static image editing, i.e. a direct Photoshop competitor. I went through the Aperture video demos before Aperture shipped, and watched these photo pros talk incessantly about how "now there's an app that addresses how I work -- Aperture". That's great, but Apple has to know the role that Photoshop plays in present photography workflow -- for those pros too. So I'm sitting here thinking to myself, why would Apple roll out such a product with some clear workflow hurdles to common Photoshop usage.
Ok, here's the punchline: does anyone else here have a sneaking suspicion that Apple is not to far off from releasing their own image editing application that's a direct Photoshop competitor? I mean come on, Final Cut Pro, Motion, Sountrack, and by extension of the CEO to Pixar, Renderman. How can you not have a static image adjustment application entering the scene at some point?
I'm curious what others think. I'm just trying to make sense of how to fit the neat stuff I see in Aperture into a workflow that doesn't play very nicely with Aperture at some points (because I'm using Photoshop).
Brad
Powerbook G4-1.33GHz-17" / Powermac G4-1.4GHz Mac OS X (10.4.2) PB: 1GB RAM, Radeon 9600-64MB / PM: 1.25GB RAM, Radeon 9000Pro-128MB

So Apple adds curves adjustments,
we'll need noise reduction, greater sharpening
capability, etc., etc., and then when we have all
those features, surely we'll need masking and select
capability to perform those adjustments selectively,
etc. Where does it end?
Actually that could be a good cut-off point - add a few more/better 'global' adjustments but leave all mask, selection and layer based tasks to external editors. Personally, I used to swear by curves, but haven't really touched them in PS for a year since shooting more RAW and learning how to use the shadow/highlight adjustment properly. Sometimes for overall colour for JPEGs, but that bit can be done just as well in levels.
My workflow isn't particularly typical, but here goes.
Type of photography - stitched panoramas as a professional, plus general snapshots/nature/landscape as hobby. Single user with no network storage.
Currently I use a very organised folder structure in the Finder, along with aliases in DragThing docks for easy access to final stitched files, all with their own unique ID. RAW conversions are done in ACR/PSCS2, or Bibble if I'm in a hurry on the laptop. About 40% of the panos are shot in RAW, 40% are bracketed JPEG and the remaining 20% are 'single' JPEG. The panoramas go through quite a lot of post-processing in PS using a whole series of actions and AppleScripts.
I'm expecting my workflow to look something like this:
1) Download directly into Aperture, possibly with added help from Automator/Applescript when it comes to proper date-based names.
2) Divide download into a new album for each panorama.
2a) If it is a people pano there will be quite a lot of duplicate shots for each panohead position - make a stack for each position and choose picks - this bit will speed things up enormously by itself. Reorder stacks to fit correct order of images going around the scene.
3) Export to TIFF (sometimes JPEG) and stitch using PTMac (sometimes Realviz Stitcher). Oh, and any people who think Aperture is limited, buggy and bad value should go and look at Stitcher - it costs the same, has a far more limited feature set, is on version 5 and by comparison makes Aperture look bug-free.
4) Bring stitched panorama into Photoshop to adjust seams through layers if needed, flatten, final tone adjustments (usually using shadow/highlight), possibly some colour tweaks, sharpen. For bracketed shots I will blend together the three exposures at this point using a custom action - this kind of thing is unlikely ever to make it to Aperture.
5) Bring final print-ready file into Aperture for cataloguing/backup.
5a) If file is too big for Aperture, make a smaller version for cataloguing and store original file in Finder. This gives me a good file for 90% of purposes, with the huge file available with a bit more work.
Too big? I've found that Aperture gets sluggish with files over 18-20,000 pixels wide, and chokes totally somewhere between 25,000 and 32,000 pixels wide - 'image format unsupported'.
To summarise - organise and convert in Aperture, stitch in specialist software, do PS-specific stuff then bring final image back in to join the source images.
Ian

Why when i edit an image in LR5 then decide to edit further is PS i go to photo then edit in then i choose CS5. this used to work but now when i do it the image is in the original state not the edited in LR?

i need help. i just got LR5 yesterday i could edit in LR then go to photo and choose edit in photoshop and it worked. today its not what happens when i do this now is it open in PS as the orginal not edited in LR settings. how can i get this to work again???

Raw files always go straight to Photoshop without showing the "Open a copy" dialog. However:
SInce Photoshop CS5 uses an older version of Camera Raw compared to LR5, that older version isn't capable of interpreting all the settings that LR5 passes to it (normally LR sends the original raw file, plus the list of adjustments, over the Photoshop - and Photoshop renders the image using its own Camera Raw engine).
You would normally get a dialog indicating there is a Camera Raw version mismatch, giving you the options to "Render using Lightroom," or "Open anyway." You want to Render Using Lightroom.
you may have turned this dialog off - there's a checkbox that says "Don't show again." You can restore the display of this dialog box by going into Lightroom's preferences in the General tab, and choosing "Reset all warning dialogs."
here's a handy document from Victoria Bampton that explains raw rendering and camera raw version mismatch:
http://www.lightroomqueen.com/downloads/bookexcerpts/lr3excerpts/lr3sample-29-openanyway.p df
Hope oped that Helps!
MIke

Problem with save as .jpg once edited in LR5 and sent to PSE11 to save as a .jpg

Several days ago I bought Lightroom 5 as I have recently started taking pictures in RAW. I love the process and how it works, pictures look wonderful. I use Blurb (BookSmart) to create a yearly book which I am in and out of all year long. When I edit a RAW picture in PSE 11 and save as a .JPG I can export my picture to Blurb. When I edit my picture in LR5 and send to PSE11 to save as a .jpg I can not export my picture into Blurb. Does anyone have a reason,?

Sorry - I am learning
- In Lightroom after I have completed my development of the picture I
1. Right click on the picture and select "Edit in" I select Edit in Adobe Photoshop Elements Editor I then select in "edit a copy with Lightroom adjustments"
2. The picture will eventually open in PSE as a PSD
3. If I am making more adjustments such as the "spot healing" which I like better in PSE - I select the spot healing brush - I select the area needing fixing - click on the spot and make the correction
4. Once I have finished with any edits I might make in PSE I select "File" - Save As and select Save As .jpg
5. The file at this point has been saved as a .jpg
6. In BookSmart (Blurb) I click on their icon for get photos
7. I select the file and the photo I want
8. I select open
9. At this point nothing happens - in normal circumstances once I have selected Open - the picture will upload into Blurb (I would normally see the picture upload).
If I do not use Lightroom and open the CRS file in PSE instead
1. I open the file with file open select photo which opens picture in PSE
2. Photo will open in the RAW editing program within PSE
3. I will make any adjustments I want to make
4 I will select "open Image" in the Raw plug in
5. The picture will open within the PSE editor
6. I will again make any adjustment I might want to make within PSE editor such as the spot healing
7. When finished edits I select Edit - File Save As - select .JPG
8. As above in Booksmart I select "Get Photos" - select the photos I want from the file
9. Select open
10. I will see the picture upload into Booksmart
11. The picture is ready to put into the book on the page I want.
I do hope this is what you want - thanks

LR5 and external image editing.

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