Mac Classic 9 to OS X

I just bougt iMac and i have transfert everything from my old Classic on it. Is there a way to be able to use the Classic on the iMac?

Hi Daniel Couture;
Now that you are aware that Leopard no longer support Classic nor does a Mac with an Intel processor which your new iMac probably has, what were you running in Classic? Maybe we might be able to come up with suggestions as to how to migrate that workload over to OS X.
Allan

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How can I transfer document files from my mac classic to my macbook?

I have a floppy drive on my old mac classic and cd drive on my macbook. Is there some way to connect the two and transfer files directly?

A Macintosh Classic (http://support.apple.com/kb/sp198) has a SCSI hard drive. Even though the hard drive can be removed and placed in an external SCSI enclosure, it is not going to be easy to find a way of connecting it to a modern Mac. That would normally require a USB-to-SCSI adapter, which may or may not be supported under the latest operating system versions.
The easiest method of transferring files from a Macintosh Classic may be via an external USB floppy drive connected to the modern Mac. 1.44 MB Mac-formatted floppy disks can be used for such transfers (not 800K).
A SCSI Zip (100) drive could in principle be connected to the SCSI port of the Macintosh Classic. The Zip disk could then be moved to a USB Zip (100) drive connected to a modern computer.
The Macintosh Classic does not have built-in Ethernet, nor a slot for an Ethernet card (certain other "classic" Macintosh computers do have the ability to hold an Ethernet card). There are some external solutions (such as SCSI-to-Ethernet adapters), but with limitations. For a networking overview, the http://www.applefool.com/se30/ web page could perhaps be of interest.
It is also possible to arrange a null-modem connection between a Macintosh Classic and a modern computer, providing that a USB-to-serial adapter is attached to the latter (appropriate terminal emulation programs are needed on both sides).
Jan

Any hope for my Mac Classic?

OK, so I ran out to Radio Shack and bought a computer cable...
My Mac Classic will turn on and has shown me a checkerboard pattern, made a few grindy noises, and then just a plain gray screen. I turned it off and then on again and a few minutes later I got a sad Mac face with some 0s and 1s underneath it. I turned it off and on again and now just have the checkerboard pattern.
Is this it? Must I know turn my Mac into a "Macquarium" or is there maybe a smidge of hope that I can get it working again (or at least be able to transfer some data off of the hard drive?)
Thanks in advance!

The Mac classic uses a memory-mapped screen buffer. If you get a coarse checkerboard pattern on the screen that is visible without squinting, it indicates a memory problem.
The most common problem is accumulated corrosion on the SIMMs/sockets, and the most likely cure is to remove the SIMMs, shine up the tin plating on the contacts with a soft eraser and do not touch them with your (oily) fingers afterward, and re-install them. If your SIMMs have gold fingers, remember that the gold is very, very thin, and you can easily scrub the gold completely off.
While you have it apart a new PRAM battery is also a good idea if it has been off wall power for a few months or more.
Getting the case open to get access to this stuff is not trivial. Procedures are posted on the Web and any number of posters here can help you with it also. Just indicate where you would like to go next and what you would like to accomplish. Posters here are eager to help.

Hard time for selecting Startup Disk (partition) in Mac Classic II.

Dear coleagues, I'd like your help to understand and solve a tricky trouble. I'm sorry for the long text, but the issue is probably living in a small detail.
The issue regards a Mac Classic II with internal and external HDDs. Internal HDD has two partitions, a smaller with System 7.1 (first) and a larger with System 7.5.3 (second). This one is installed there since 5 years ago, working fine.
The (just installed) external HDD has 6 partitions (because of its size 9 Gb). It has been formated runing VCP in this Classic II itself and all partitions are initialized with HFS. It is intended to be a backup for my Classic II as well as my Mac Plus. I've started Installing System 7.5.3 in its third partition. Other partitions remain still empty.
Using only internal HDD I can already perceive that "Startup Disk" control panel is unable to change the boot partition attribute between partitions in the same drive. When I open "Startup Disk" it usualy both partitions of internal HDD are highlighted. I can select a Zip Drive, for instance, and it will boot from Zip. But, when I switch it back to HDD, doesn't bother wich partition I select, it will always boot with the same partition (usually 7.5.3). Then, If i open Startup Disk CP again, both partitions are again highlighted.
To switch between partitions in the same drive, I use Lido 7.5.6 PMount and there I select the boot partition. Then every time I select my HDD, that'll be the default boot partition.
My conclusion is that in Mac Classic II the Startup Disk CP is unable to set a partition within a drive, it selects the drive only. The boot will obey the drive's partition table flag. That's why I can do it whith Lido, writing directly at HDD's flags.
Now, attaching the external HDD, I can see all its partitions in Startup Disk CP and then I select one of them (the 3rd, with 7.5.3). Before rebooting, I close and open again the Startup Disk CP, then I can see all its 6 partitions highlighted. Just like I've been doing with the internal HDD, probably the solution to set a specific boot partition would be through Lido 7.5.6 PMount again. But Lido is unable to handle this drive. It appears gray in the drives list.
What does it sound to you? What would you recommend to test? Is there an alternative for Startup Disk CP?
Thank you.
Regards, Ciro (Brazil)

Dear Jan, good Evening.
Thank you for your time.
In fact I can select a specific partition, but by closing and reopenning Startup Disk CP I realize that the selection has been attributed to the physical drive (all partitions highlighted).
I have tried Startup Disk CP in both System 7.1 and System 7.5.3. They do the same way.
Internal HDD has been formated, partitioned and initialized with Apple HD CS Setup.
This external HDD in a different way. Apple HD SC Setup hasn't been able to "see" it, probably because of its prior format system. Lido neither. That's why I went to VCP. Moreover, as it is too big for 68030, I had to format it attached to a Performa 6360. After formating, I've let VCP make set the partitions in HFS mode (partitions with 512, 1024 and 2032 Mb).
I've mounted VCP in Mini VMac to get some screenshots for you:
Bringing it back to Mac Classic II, it could be mounted with Lido, but System 7 has asked to initialize all partitions again. I've accepted, installed system 7 on it, and it didn't boot. Then I've repeated the partitioning and initializing procedures using Apple HD SC Setup (since now there's a Mac HDD with "small" logical drives). Nothing changed.
I'm following your tip about System Picker. I've downloaded the sit file and read about it. It seems to be able to overlay the problem. I'm gonna try it and report back here.
But I feel still uncomfortable not to be able to do things the regular way. As far as I know, the boot partition is an attribute of a drive partition in partition map, just like the "Active Partition" found in FAT systems. I should be able to write there as I can do with Lido in internal HDD.
Thank you, Jan.
Best regards,
Ciro Bruno.

Can I connect Mac Classic's mainboard to the TV?

Can I connect Mac Classic's mainboard to the TV?
I think, the SOUND pin is the analog output of sound.
Can i connect the VIDOUT pin to the TV's RCA composite input(In my case it's Yellow plug at the side of tv)?

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AC power cord for Mac Classic

i have an opportunity to get an old mac classic but the seller says it has not AC cord. is that easy to get somewhere or not worth the bother?
thanks!

I don't know if the Classic just takes a standard AC power cord. A rounded triangular sort, usually with three sockets that plugs into recesssed prongs on the back of the computer.
If it's that kind it's been in use for several decades and you can pick up for very little money (I have about 20 in a box).
Also read:
http://discussions.apple.com/thread.jspa?threadID=647360&tstart=2535
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IMac .docs to Mac Classic

I own a powerhouse 27" iMac, but I love the old Apple/Macintosh Computer systems. I collect them and even do a minor bit of written work on some of them... just for the nostalgic feel of it.
My question is this: How do I get an RTF file written in Word, Text Edit or [preferably] Pages to transfer over [and be readable/workable] on the Mac Classic?
It works via 1.44mb floppy the other way around, but I can't get anything written on the iMac to be legible on the Mac Classic.

iconRED,
Part of what you are seeing is meta data. The best illustration of meta data comes by opening a Word '97 document with Word 5.1. The older software will show a lot of gibberish, including information like who created the file and where it is saved to on the hard drive. But, on page ten or twelve, you will see the clean text from the newer software.
Newer software has added so much more information that the older software does not know how to deal with it. The trick is to get the newer software to save the files in the simplest of file formats. Easier said than done.
For example, Office 2004 will crash OS X if you copy more than just text from a website and paste it into a Word document. Copy a file from a website and paste it into TextEdit, paste it into Pages and paste it into Word. You will get three different results. If you copy just small blocks of text from a website, you should get more predictable results.
For example, look at this page:
http://apps.leg.wa.gov/RCW/default.aspx?cite=1.04
That page gives you three options for looking at the data.
First, one cite at a time,
Second, the whole chapter at a time,
and
Third, "print friendly version."
If you copy and paste the whole page into a word processing application, you will end up with some gibberish. If you view the 'printer friendly page and copy the whole block of text, but not the whole page - do not use 'select all' under the edit menu, you will get nice useable text to paste. That information will paste nicely into Word 3.0 or 5.1. The fact that Microsoft successfully developed a way to crash OS X each and every time you try to paste anything but text into a Word 2004 document just shows how much extra junk is included in newer word processing documents.
So, if you want text documents to open cleanly in older software, you need to strip out all the junk. In other words, create a true RTF document on a new computer using new software and you will have backwards compatibility. Add any new features like photos, tables, hypertext, HTML, etc. and you will get gibberish on your older computers.
Hope that made sense.
Jim

Mac classic clarisworks files

How i do i transfer word processing files on a mac classic (clarisworks 2.0) onto a macbook pro? My macbook pro has appleworks 6. The thing is the mac classic only has a floppy disk and the closest thing I own to a floppy drive is an external zip drive that I do not use anymore.

This information-dense article is a true representation of what is going on, but is nearly impenetrable -- largely because it assumes we have dedicated File Servers all over the place rather than two Macs (with built-in File Sharing capabilities) we want to connect:
301183- Mac OS X 10.4 Tiger: "Connection failed" error when connecting to an AFP server
My interpretation follows:
Which Mac can be a File Server (source of shared files) under what circumstances:
To make way for the upcoming Intel Macs, AppleTalk and TCP/IP drivers for 10.4 were modified.
File Sharing via AppleTalk:
7.5.3 through 10.3.9 can share their files via AppleTalk.
10.4 cannot share its files via AppleTalk, and cannot mount drives from Macs that only want to share via AppleTalk. (AppleTalk printing in 10.4 is still supported.)
File Sharing via TCP/IP:
OS 9 and later can share its files via TCP/IP.
7.5.3 and later can mount other Mac's files on its desktop via TCP/IP if you use the "Server IP Address" button in the AppleShare Chooser Extension.
Executive Summary:
The scenario that always works is to start from the older, pre-9 Mac, and mount the 10.4 Mac's shared drives or shared folder on the older Mac by using the "Server IP Address" button in the Chooser.
Note: when using 7.5.3, you may have to download newer version of Open Transport and/or the AppleShare Chooser extension, but these are readily available. There is also a US$40 Utility available from called ShareWay IP, that allows pre-9 Macs to share their files using IP.
http://www.opendoor.com/shareway/

Mac Classic, System 7,0 (or 6.0.7), secure delete ...

A friend is retiring her venerable Mac Classic running System 6.0.7 (and MacWrite II) in favour of a grape iMac she's getting free from another friend (oh my, what a shock she'll have - from System 6 to OS 9 in one fell swoop!). Anyway ...
Moving the data over isn't a huge problem, I think she's opted for 1.44MB floppies and an external floppy drive for the iMac. It's the data left on the Classic that's worrying her.
I'm sending her my complete set of System 7 Install discs from my original Classic, which includes the Disk Tools disk, on which is the System Folder and HD SC Setup (version B1-7.0)
So, the question is (aah, finally, you're thinking!) ... Does the version of HD SC Setup as supplied on the System 7 discs for the Classic (they install System 7.0, although there is a "System 7 Tune-Up" disk too) and especially the Disk Tools disk have a secure delete option? Unfortunately the Classic in question is over 250 miles away so I can't get to it at the moment.
Will I need an third party utility to completely erase the data on the internal hard disk or will HD SC Setup do it?

Burn.sit is only 89 k-should work.
You can use a 7.5 DisTools Disk on the Classic. For DiskTools you may look at
Jan Hedlund
DiskTools Floppy 8.1
http://download.info.apple.com/AppleSupport_Area/Apple_Software_Updates/English-North_American/Macintosh/System/Mac_ OS_8.1Update/
Disk tools (look for jpl)
http://discussions.apple.com/thread.jspa?messageID=1358076&#1358076
wipe the HD(jpl),AppleIIFreak(network Access Disk)
http://discussions.apple.com/thread.jspa?messageID=612995&#612995
You can download all you need at:
Drive Setup 1.7.3
http://download.info.apple.com/AppleSupport_Area/Apple_Software_Updates/English-North_American/Macintosh/Utilities/D riveSetup/
HD SC Setup 7.3.5
http://download.info.apple.com/AppleSupport_Area/Apple_Software_Updates/English-NorthAmerican/Macintosh/Utilities/
Disk First Aid
http://download.info.apple.com/AppleSupport_Area/Apple_Software_Updates/English-North_American/Macintosh/Utilities/D isk_FirstAid/
More about Drive Setup 1.7.3
Jan Hedlund
http://discussions.apple.com/thread.jspa?messageID=614031&#614031
http://discussions.apple.com/thread.jspa?messageID=613601&#613601
How hard could it be?
http://discussions.apple.com/thread.jspa?messageID=613601&#613601
I need OS for Macintosh SE
http://discussions.apple.com/thread.jspa?messageID=613736&#613736
Mac Classic II Refuses To Start Properly
http://discussions.apple.com/thread.jspa?messageID=613843&#613843
HTH

Mac Classic Not Booting?

Ok, so, I have a Mac Classic. The 2MB model with the 40MB SCSI HD. Whenever I do Command + Option + X + O I get the error screen ID = 02 "A System Error Occured" What is this error and how can I fix it to make the Mac boot directly to Mac OS?
P.S. The Floppy drive works, I am temporarily using a floppy bootable Mac OS

Macintosh System Error Codes Explained.
http://support.apple.com/kb/TA44464?viewlocale=en_US

Mac Classic II Software Update?

I just picked up a Macintosh Classic II that had OS 7.0.1 on it. I want to upgrade it to 7.6.1 but cannot. I can't load 7.6.1 because I need 7.6 and I can't load 7.6 because I need 7.5 and I can't load 7.5 because I need 7.1 and I can't load 7.1 because it's not available. A;so 7.1 is not for the Classic II.
How do I get from A to Z (or 7.0.1 to 7.6.1)?
I have downloaded a ton of older OS 7 stuff from Apple Older Software page and nothing works.
What are the answers?
Bud
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Bud,
Just a couple of comments.
To get any .sea or .bin diskette to open ........ must be loaded on the MAC Classic II first.
StuffIt Expander (for a way of obtaining the 4.0.1 version for Mac, see above) will decode MacBinary (.bin) files, as well as BinHex (.hqx). A self-extracting archive (.sea), where the resource fork has not become damaged during transit, will expand automatically when double-clicked upon. If there is a problem, one can try to drag a StuffIt .sea file (there are other .sea files that may behave differently) onto the StuffIt Expander icon. Disk Copy 4.2 is only needed in order to open Disk Copy 4.2 type disk images, and is not required for the System 7.5.3 download.
I cannot unpack .smi yet. 7.5.3 first disk image has this and is needed to install the other 18 disk images.
When the nineteen .bin files have been decoded by StuffIt Expander (apparently, this is what you did already on the modern Mac), they (one. smi and eighteen .part) are to be placed in one common folder on the Classic II hard disk. As indicated earlier, then merely double-click on the .smi file. This should mount the total image (the 7.5.3 installer will be found inside).
Both the 7.5.3 (& 7.5.5) and 7.6.6 need their initial upgrade, i.e., 7.5 and 7.6 primary OS installed first.
I think you mean 7.6.1 (not 7.6.6). In that case it is true that 7.6 is needed (nothing earlier). The downloadable System 7.5.3 however will install and work as it is, provided that the Classic II hard disk has an appropriate bootable operating system. If necessary, a 7.5 startup floppy can be made from the aforementioned Network Access Disk 7.5 download.
A CD image can be transferred to the MAC Classic II (or whatever) by hooking up the MAC II 25 pin HD connection to another computer that that is connected to your Ethernet.
Apple supports SCSI Disk Mode (HD Target Mode) for certain PowerBook computers (equipped with an HDI-30 SCSI port). The PowerBook would then act as an external hard drive when connected to a desktop Mac (which has a DB-25 SCSI port). Special adapter cables have to be used for this.
Otherwise, a direct connection between two SCSI ports is not supported, and may be risky.
It is possible to remove a SCSI hard drive from one Macintosh computer, and then (via a different kind of cabling) connect it (externally or internally ) to another SCSI Mac.
Jan

Mac Classic secret boot disk?

Hello,
Is there a secret boot disk in the ROM of Mac Classic?
I've pressed Command-Option-X-O and got a message "Welcome to macintosh", but in English!(I have a Russian system 7).Then my mac booted up the System 6.0.1(It looks very cool!) very fast.
I've rebooted my Mac Classic and repeated this, but it's booted System 7.1 and just shown me an icon of the diskette with a label "Boot Disk".
I've set this diskette in the Boot Disk control panel and booted System 6.0.1 normally.
Note:Can I Add the Russian Language or the Russian fonts to this System 6.0.1?

Is there a secret boot disk in the ROM of Mac Classic?
Yes.
Can I Add the Russian Language or the Russian fonts to this System 6.0.1?
No. It is hardcoded and cannot be changed.
(38784)

Mac classic games on OS X

Hey, so while cleaning my room I found an old game called Imperialism, its a great game and when I went to try and play it says that MAc Classic is not supported on my macbook pro with moiutnain lion. Is there any way I can still play this game on my computer, without downgrading my OS?
cheers

The Classic game Risk II running in Sheepshaver on my Lion Mac Mini:
[click on images to enlarge]
Here is a post I recently assembled for another similar question:
With the newer Intel Macs, you have to run a Classic emulator such as SheepShaver, which requires you to extract the Mac ROMs from your older Classic Mac and then install Mac OS 9.
A related program is Chubby Bunny, which comes bundled with all of that included (google the term "Classic-On-Intel v 4.0.1 chubby bunny").
More information on SheepShaver:
http://www.emaculation.com/doku.php/sheepshaver_mac_os_x_setup
and
http://www.everymac.com/mac-answers/mac-os-9-classic-support-faq/run-macos-9-on- intel-macs.html
and more information about Chubby Bunny:
http://www.macwindows.com/OS9_on_Intel_Mac.html#092408b
and
http://hackthemac.blogspot.co.uk/2008/08/chubby-bunny-old-virtual-machine.html

Mac Classic Question

My Mac Classic won't instalise 3.5" Floppies!! And they are mint MAC Formatted disks!!

Hi,
This happens from time to time. The pre-formatted disks can not be read properly from the beginning. Then the verification of the new formatting is not successful. One possible cause is that the diskettes in fact are bad.
If you have access to another older Mac with a floppy drive, you could check whether it is possible to reformat a floppy there, and after that try again with the Macintosh Classic.
You could even test reformatting one floppy in a PC, and then try again with the Classic. This test can also be done with a (pre-formatted) new PC floppy. The Classic should report that it is not a Macintosh disk and offer to initialise it.
Another possibility is that the read/write heads in the floppy drive need to be cleaned (a special cleaning disk can be used for this). Can other Mac floppies be read properly?
It can be wise to run the computer with Extensions off (hold down the Shift key while starting up) during tests.
The usual things like resetting the PRAM and rebuilding the Desktop should not change anything in a case like this.
http://support.apple.com/kb/ht1379
http://support.apple.com/kb/ht2344
BTW, I assume that this really is a Macintosh Classic (with a System 7 variant?), not just any other 'classic' Macintosh.
http://support.apple.com/kb/sp198
Jan

Is there a Mac Classic II emulator out there?

I have see one that lets you emulate Classic "1", and a Mac Plus. I have a Classic II, and so I have the ROM image. This image will not work on the emulators I have found. Anyone ever had any luck with this?
Apple //GS

I Don't think the Apple Forum is a good place for asking question about emulate Macintoshbut i will answer this question because i like emulate my old died mac. You can use Basilisk II because it a Great Emulator and it emulate the Macintosh II (System 6 to 8.1) but i'm not sure if it will work with a Mac Classic II Rom Image. I Know it have a Mac Quadra 650 Rom image freely downloadable from the internet but i will not giving any link. You still can use anything you using with your Classic II on Basilisk II. Basilisk II Is a great emulator and it support Color (up to 32 Bit)
Thomas Brousseau

Mac Classic II hard drive

I am busy archiving my collection of floppy disks using an old Mac Classic II with an attached ZIP drive. It was working fine until yesterday. Yesterday when I turned the computer on, I got the flashing question mark instead of the normal startup sequence.
I booted off of a Disk Tools floppy and ran Drive Setup. It told me there was no hard drive to be found.
So I'm looking for a replacement hard drive. But I seem to recall Apple doing some sort of firmware thing on the drives that could be used in their computers. Do I recall correctly or will most any SCSI disk work as a replacement?
I'm running System 7.0.1 on this machine.
Gary

Gary,
Copy/Install a System folder and boot from the Zip Drive. We used to have multiple zip disks with multiple systems. Even OS 8.1 will fit on a zip disk if you leave out the file translation software. For now, find a second Zip Drive and set one for ID 5 and the second for ID 6. Hopefully you were able to back up files before the hard drive died.
Also, a program from Mount Anything should work for you. The point of the Apple enabled drives was that the computer would recognize them at startup and did not require special software to mount the drive. Iomega provided Iomega Guest as a small file that could be installed on a friend's computer. Once you used Guest to mount the drive, you could select the drive as the boot device and the Mac would boot from the Zip Drive. Having Guest on your Disk Tools floppy would let you get up and going.
Ji~m

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