MAC G5 2004 are the 400 and 800 firewire busses interconnected?

When I plug in a DV camera to the 400 firewire buss and go to system profile/firewire, the DV camera doesn't show up.....but, when I turn the firewire hard drives off (pull their power) thus disconnecting them from the 800 firewire buss, the DV camera shows up....
If I have my firewire external drives connected to the 800 firewire port, and the DV camera connected to the 400 firewire port sometimes (not often) the the dv camera works, most of the time it doesn't..... help!
The only way I can get the dv camera to work is to disconnect the firewire hard drives from the computer then all is good in the land of "MAC).....

The external hard drives have their own power.....turns out that the 400 and 800 firewire busses are the same.....What Apple did was an 800 firewire buss and has 1 port located on the rear of the tower and 2 400 ports (one one the front and one on the back). The 2 400 ports are equal to the 1 800 port, so when you use one 400 port and 1 800 port the 800 port becomes another 400 port. In other words.....I only have 1, 800 buss and not an 800 buss and 2 400 busses....pretty tacky if you ask me......also, I learned that the Canon DV cameras (ZR70MC) is a real hog when it comes to firewire, so, when I have my external hard drives plugged into the 800 buss and the Canon plugged into the 400 buss, it's on overload and their is no buss protocal for who uses what. Which means if the external drives are using the buss the Canon is out of luck......The solution is to install a separate firewire card and plug either the Canon or the drives into it thus freeing up the internal 800 buss for other uses.
The workaround is for me to unplug the power to the external hard drives, plug in the Canon, capture all of my material onto the internal drive, once I've captured all of my files, remove the Canon from the buss, powerup and re-mount the external drives, then, move all of my captured files over to my work space which is located on one of the external drives......what a pain in the butt......but that's the way it works.....

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