Mac IRC clients--which is better--Snak or Ircle (opinions please)

I don't know too much about IRCs and I was hoping to get some opinions on which of the two Mac clients (Snak or Ircle) is better...and why.
I'm especially interested in which one is better with DCC. I have Snak right now and it seems to be kind of hit-and-miss on whether I can connect with other people. I know this is probably related to my router, but I wondered if maybe Ircle worked better than Snak w/ routers or just with DCC in general.
But if there's any other factors besides DCC that I should consider in choosing which IRC client to use...by all means tell me about it.
I would really appreciate a few informed opinions.
Many thanks!

You should get more responses if you cross-post over in the iChat AV 3 Forums. That is where the IRC users hang out.

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Hello,
I'm a big user of IRC and I've been using X-Chat Aqua, but it's started to have a bug where it crashes when ever I try to right-click. I'm getting this crash report:
Process: X-Chat Aqua [202]
Path: /Applications/X-Chat Aqua/X-Chat Aqua.app/Contents/MacOS/X-Chat Aqua
Identifier: X-Chat Aqua
Version: X-Chat Aqua version 0.15.3 (???)
Code Type: X86 (Native)
Parent Process: launchd [132]
Date/Time: 2008-08-19 14:41:01.649 -0400
OS Version: Mac OS X 10.5.4 (9E17)
Report Version: 6
Exception Type: EXCBADACCESS (SIGABRT)
Exception Codes: KERNPROTECTIONFAILURE at 0x0000000000000000
Crashed Thread: 0
Thread 0 Crashed:
0 libSystem.B.dylib 0x92466b9e __kill + 10
1 libSystem.B.dylib 0x924ddec2 raise + 26
2 libSystem.B.dylib 0x924ed47f abort + 73
3 libruby.1.dylib 0x0dd3b840 rbexcnew + 0
4 libruby.1.dylib 0x0dda24e3 rbgc_mark_traplist + 440
5 libSystem.B.dylib 0x9246509b _sigtramp + 43
6 ??? 0xffffffff 0 + 4294967295
7 com.apple.CoreFoundation 0x956ba4b2 CFStringCompare + 18
8 com.vmware.FusionVMDKPlugIn 0x0e322de0 FusionVMDKPlugIn_ExamineContext + 56 (fusionVMDKPlugIn.c:289)
9 com.apple.HIToolbox 0x90870fc3 TContextualMenuPlugin::ExamineContext(AEDesc const*, TPluginCommandList&, unsigned long, unsigned char&) + 49
10 com.apple.HIToolbox 0x90870f6d TContextualMenuPluginList::ExamineContext(AEDesc const*, TPluginCommandList&, long) + 145
11 com.apple.HIToolbox 0x90905f4e _ContextualMenuInsertItems(MenuData*, unsigned short, AEDesc const*, ContextualMenuHelp const*, unsigned long*, OpaqueContextualMenuItemsRef**) + 400
12 com.apple.HIToolbox 0x9087071d _ContextualMenuInsertItems + 95
13 com.apple.AppKit 0x931aa64a _NSPopUpCarbonMenu3 + 1464
14 com.apple.AppKit 0x931aa088 _NSPopUpCarbonMenu2 + 155
15 com.apple.AppKit 0x931a9fe9 _NSPopUpCarbonMenu1 + 82
16 com.apple.AppKit 0x931a9f49 -[NSCarbonMenuImpl _popUpContextMenu:withEvent:forView:withFont:] + 237
17 com.apple.AppKit 0x931a9d82 -[NSMenu _popUpContextMenu:withEvent:forView:withFont:] + 285
18 com.apple.AppKit 0x931a9c5f -[NSMenu _popUpContextMenu:withEvent:forView:] + 63
19 com.apple.AppKit 0x931a9c1a -[NSMenu _popUpMenuWithEvent:forView:] + 52
20 com.apple.AppKit 0x9357410d -[NSView rightMouseDown:] + 103
21 com.apple.AppKit 0x935039ee -[NSTextView rightMouseDown:] + 167
22 com.apple.AppKit 0x930314c5 -[NSWindow sendEvent:] + 8511
23 com.apple.AppKit 0x92ffd431 -[NSApplication sendEvent:] + 2941
24 X-Chat Aqua 0x0001c9d6 -[SGApplication sendEvent:] + 132
25 com.apple.AppKit 0x92f5ae27 -[NSApplication run] + 847
26 X-Chat Aqua 0x0000ad93 fe_main + 327
27 X-Chat Aqua 0x00038005 main + 87 (xchat.c:1027)
28 X-Chat Aqua 0x00001fe2 _start + 216
29 X-Chat Aqua 0x00001f09 start + 41
Thread 1:
0 libSystem.B.dylib 0x924485e2 select$DARWIN_EXTSN + 10
1 libSystem.B.dylib 0x924296f5 pthreadstart + 321
2 libSystem.B.dylib 0x924295b2 thread_start + 34
Thread 0 crashed with X86 Thread State (32-bit):
eax: 0x00000000 ebx: 0x924ed43f ecx: 0xbfffe8ec edx: 0x92466b9e
edi: 0xa0282650 esi: 0x0000000c ebp: 0xbfffe908 esp: 0xbfffe8ec
ss: 0x0000001f efl: 0x00000286 eip: 0x92466b9e cs: 0x00000007
ds: 0x0000001f es: 0x0000001f fs: 0x00000000 gs: 0x00000037
cr2: 0xffe17cc8
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0x958da000 - 0x959a5fff com.apple.ColorSync 4.5.0 (4.5.0) /System/Library/Frameworks/ApplicationServices.framework/Versions/A/Frameworks/ ColorSync.framework/Versions/A/ColorSync
0x959a6000 - 0x959b6fff com.apple.speech.synthesis.framework 3.7.1 (3.7.1) <06d8fc0307314f8ffc16f206ad3dbf44> /System/Library/Frameworks/ApplicationServices.framework/Versions/A/Frameworks/ SpeechSynthesis.framework/Versions/A/SpeechSynthesis
0x959b7000 - 0x95a10ff7 libGLU.dylib ??? (???) /System/Library/Frameworks/OpenGL.framework/Versions/A/Libraries/libGLU.dylib
0x95a11000 - 0x95da7fff com.apple.QuartzCore 1.5.3 (1.5.3) <1b65c05f89e81a499302fd63295b242d> /System/Library/Frameworks/QuartzCore.framework/Versions/A/QuartzCore
0x95f28000 - 0x95f50ff7 com.apple.shortcut 1 (1.0) <057783867138902b52bc0941fedb74d1> /System/Library/PrivateFrameworks/Shortcut.framework/Versions/A/Shortcut
0x95f51000 - 0x95f51ff8 com.apple.ApplicationServices 34 (34) <8f910fa65f01d401ad8d04cc933cf887> /System/Library/Frameworks/ApplicationServices.framework/Versions/A/Application Services
0x95f6a000 - 0x9637afef libBLAS.dylib ??? (???) /System/Library/Frameworks/Accelerate.framework/Versions/A/Frameworks/vecLib.fr amework/Versions/A/libBLAS.dylib
0x9637b000 - 0x96383fff com.apple.DiskArbitration 2.2.1 (2.2.1) <75b0c8d8940a8a27816961dddcac8e0f> /System/Library/Frameworks/DiskArbitration.framework/Versions/A/DiskArbitration
0x96384000 - 0x96401fef libvMisc.dylib ??? (???) /System/Library/Frameworks/Accelerate.framework/Versions/A/Frameworks/vecLib.fr amework/Versions/A/libvMisc.dylib
0x96449000 - 0x9645dff3 com.apple.ImageCapture 4.0 (5.0.0) /System/Library/Frameworks/Carbon.framework/Versions/A/Frameworks/ImageCapture. framework/Versions/A/ImageCapture
0x9645e000 - 0x96476fff com.apple.openscripting 1.2.8 (???) <d85d82af796d1df9bce7b1db8f6c846c> /System/Library/Frameworks/Carbon.framework/Versions/A/Frameworks/OpenScripting .framework/Versions/A/OpenScripting
0x96477000 - 0x96477ffd com.apple.Accelerate.vecLib 3.4.2 (vecLib 3.4.2) /System/Library/Frameworks/Accelerate.framework/Versions/A/Frameworks/vecLib.fr amework/Versions/A/vecLib
0x964ad000 - 0x964b3fff com.apple.print.framework.Print 218.0.2 (220.1) <8bf7ef71216376d12fcd5ec17e43742c> /System/Library/Frameworks/Carbon.framework/Versions/A/Frameworks/Print.framewo rk/Versions/A/Print
0x964b4000 - 0x964c2ffd libz.1.dylib ??? (???) <5ddd8539ae2ebfd8e7cc1c57525385c7> /usr/lib/libz.1.dylib
0x964c3000 - 0x9654fff7 com.apple.LaunchServices 289.2 (289.2) <3577886e3a6d56ee3949850c4fde76c9> /System/Library/Frameworks/CoreServices.framework/Versions/A/Frameworks/LaunchS ervices.framework/Versions/A/LaunchServices
0x96550000 - 0x9655afeb com.apple.audio.SoundManager 3.9.2 (3.9.2) <0f2ba6e891d3761212cf5a5e6134d683> /System/Library/Frameworks/Carbon.framework/Versions/A/Frameworks/CarbonSound.f ramework/Versions/A/CarbonSound
0x9655b000 - 0x96729fff com.apple.security 5.0.4 (34102) <f01d6cbd6a0f24f6c13952ed448e77d6> /System/Library/Frameworks/Security.framework/Versions/A/Security
0x9672a000 - 0x96740fe7 com.apple.CoreVideo 1.5.1 (1.5.1) <ed7bb95fb94817ea3212090aac5c65f3> /System/Library/Frameworks/CoreVideo.framework/Versions/A/CoreVideo
0x9674e000 - 0x969c9fe7 com.apple.Foundation 6.5.5 (677.19) <bfd4ebea1a7739dd6b523f15dca01a37> /System/Library/Frameworks/Foundation.framework/Versions/C/Foundation
0x969f5000 - 0x969f9fff libGIF.dylib ??? (???) <d4234e6f5e5f530bdafb969157f1f17b> /System/Library/Frameworks/ApplicationServices.framework/Versions/A/Frameworks/ ImageIO.framework/Versions/A/Resources/libGIF.dylib
0x96a00000 - 0x96a00ffd com.apple.vecLib 3.4.2 (vecLib 3.4.2) /System/Library/Frameworks/vecLib.framework/Versions/A/vecLib
0x96a01000 - 0x96a08ffe libbsm.dylib ??? (???) <d25c63378a5029648ffd4b4669be31bf> /usr/lib/libbsm.dylib
0x96c77000 - 0x96d0afff com.apple.ink.framework 101.3 (86) <bf3fa8927b4b8baae92381a976fd2079> /System/Library/Frameworks/Carbon.framework/Versions/A/Frameworks/Ink.framework /Versions/A/Ink
0x96d19000 - 0x9703afea com.apple.QuickTime 7.5.0 (861) <4e1161b204b3b1f1047412c16483c39a> /System/Library/Frameworks/QuickTime.framework/Versions/A/QuickTime
0x970a9000 - 0x970cdfeb libssl.0.9.7.dylib ??? (???) <3512c4a8198f0e964748bf6acbf359b4> /usr/lib/libssl.0.9.7.dylib
0x970ce000 - 0x970f6fff libcups.2.dylib ??? (???) <ece20dff2a2c8ed3ae6ef735ef440c37> /usr/lib/libcups.2.dylib
0x970f7000 - 0x970fcfff com.apple.CommonPanels 1.2.4 (85) <ea0665f57cd267609466ed8b2b20e893> /System/Library/Frameworks/Carbon.framework/Versions/A/Frameworks/CommonPanels. framework/Versions/A/CommonPanels
0x970fd000 - 0x97235ff7 libicucore.A.dylib ??? (???) <5031226ea28b371d8dfdbb32acfb48b5> /usr/lib/libicucore.A.dylib
0x97253000 - 0x9727efe7 libauto.dylib ??? (???) <42d8422dc23a18071869fdf7b5d8fab5> /usr/lib/libauto.dylib
0xba900000 - 0xba916fff libJapaneseConverter.dylib ??? (???) <7b0248c392848338f5d6ed093313eeef> /System/Library/CoreServices/Encodings/libJapaneseConverter.dylib
0xc0000000 - 0xc0008fef +com.growl.growlframework 0.7.3 (0.7.3) /Applications/X-Chat Aqua/X-Chat Aqua.app/Contents/Frameworks/Growl.framework/Versions/A/Growl
0xfffe8000 - 0xfffebfff libobjc.A.dylib ??? (???) /usr/lib/libobjc.A.dylib
0xffff0000 - 0xffff1780 libSystem.B.dylib ??? (???) /usr/lib/libSystem.B.dylib
Anyone know of any other IRC Clients similar to X-Chat, or have a solution to my problem?

A line like this one ...
8 com.vmware.FusionVMDKPlugIn 0x0e322de0 FusionVMDKPlugIn_ExamineContext + 56 (fusionVMDKPlugIn.c:289)
seems to be common in all of the xchat right click crashes that I've seen (including my own). It looks like vmware fusion beta 2 maybe adds some kind of menu item to your right click options.
This post http://communities.vmware.com/thread/163545 talks about it some.

Which is better - Mac book pro or air book ?

Which is better a Mac book pro or an air book. What is the pros and cons in using ??

It depends on your preference and how you will use it. Example, if you're a designer, engineer, doing a lot of video editing, sound editing, then you'll appreciate the horsepower the Pro which means "Professional" can offer you. If you're a student, or someone who'll be using primarily for document making or presentation, then the Air would fit you, plus a bonus with the name Air which means "ultra light". The big difference though is the processing speed of the two laptops. The Pro uses full processor speed, while the Air for thermal concerns uses a slightly slower processor.
Good Luck picking the one which will suit you

Which is better mac book pro or Mac book pro with retina display?

which is better mac book pro or Mac book pro with retina display?

MacBook Pro
https://discussions.apple.com/community/notebooks/macbook_pro
https://discussions.apple.com/community/mac_os?view=discussions
http://www.apple.com/support/macbookpro
If or when upgraded to the max, the Retina is a good value.
But talk to other users on the notebook forum.

Which is Better Mac or Windows?

Which is Better Mac or Windows?
I got told that Windows is better than Mac.
I need to know:
1. How long an iMac lasts and how long a Windows computer last till they die and not work. (Prediction will do)
2. Why lots of people hate Mac and say that Mac's are crap.
3. Is a iMac worth the cost?
4. Is an iMac harder to use than a Windows computer?
Thank You
From Apple is The Best!!!!!!!

The case of Apple v. Windows is a subjective argument. Both systems have their merits, both have some aspects that some users don't like. Much depends on what you actually want to use them for.
Here is some reading material for you!
A Customer Experience Index report from Forrester Research came to the conclusion after studying almost 4,600 computer users' experiences from 2008 and asking them to score the ease of use of their computers, how enjoyable the experience is and whether or not the systems fulfill their owners' needs.
http://www.appleinsider.com/articles/09/04/17/apple_trumps_windows_pc_makers_in_ customer_experience_study.html
PC World (December 2010) has also found Apple products and after-sales service the most reliable:
http://www.pcworld.com/article/211074/the_tech_brands_you_can_trust.html
Switching from Windows to Mac:
http://support.apple.com/kb/HT2514?viewlocale=en_US
and
http://support.apple.com/kb/HT2518?viewlocale=en_US

Which is Better? Mac or PC?

Which is Better?
Intel iMac Mac OS X (10.4.5)

Hello,
I'm not going to argue that a Mac is better, but I do have a response to:
looking computers and the software is great however
they have major compatibility issues. for example
many websites do not support mac's Ex.
www.aircanada.com
I have never had any problem exchanging documents or viewing web pages with the Mac.
All my document exchanges have worked flawlessly, and work going both to and from Windows PC's.
But, you need to make sure you are using the right program on the Mac if you want to share files with PC users.
As for the website compatibility, the site you provided as an example will work just fine. They just don't want you to know it.
What that website is doing, is running a check to see what web-browser you are using. Beyond that, they are also running a check to see which computer you are using.
So, what you need to do is make sure that your browser tells their website what it wants to hear.
So, in Safari, you can use the "Debug" menu to have Safari report itself as the Windows version of Internet Explorer.
Go to the Debug menu, then pick "User Agent", then choose: "Windows MSIE 6.0".
If the site still won't load, then go to the site first, and perform the selection again from the Debug menu.
Basically, what you are doing is changing what Safari identifies itself as.
Additionally, the website that you listed does list that it is compatible with Mac OS 9.0 or later. So, it should work provided you pass it's checks.
If for some reason it still won't work, contact them since they say that it is compatible with the Mac.
The only sites that absolutely will not work with a Mac are sites that use "Active X" to take over control of your computer or communicate directly with the operating system. Fortunately, those sites are getting rarer and rarer.
The only site I've run across in recent times that uses Active X is Microsoft's Windows Update site (which you wouldn't need with a Mac anyway).
As for enabling the "Debug" menu in Safari, if it is not already there, you can do that by:
Closing Safari
Open "Terminal" which is located at:
Hard Drive --> Applications --> Utilities --> Terminal
Then type the following at the command line:
defaults write com.apple.Safari IncludeDebugMenu 1
If you would prefer an automated method of enabling the Debug menu, you can always download the free Safari Enhancer program which includes a setting for this feature:
http://www.lordofthecows.com/softwarelist.php

Which is better, a G4-450 Dual or a Mac Mini 1.42?

which is better in terms of Sequencing and plug in performace, the G4-450 Dual or a Mac Mini 1.42?

G4-450GHz Dual with 896MB RAM
Mac Mini 1.42GHz with 1 gig of Ram
G4-450GHz Dual gets more instances with plugs, more tracks and performance then the 1.4GHz 17" Powerbook, 12" powerbook and Mac Mini which all have the same G4 processor.,
Today, i took the same 34 track session,
-all 34 tracks have a Logic Comp, Eq, Gate
-and also 8 Buses with Comp, EQ, Gates, Delays, Flange, Phasors, Pitch Shifters, 2 Reverbs (1 long and 1 plated) as well as some other toys.
-Master with Waves Ren Comp, Logic EQ.
-6 esx24 Instruments with high loads ( Harps, Strings, Cellos, Drums and Perc)
-8 Long (16 Bar) drum tracks ( Bass, HH, Snare, Toms, Overheads, Fills, Percussion dubs)
-4 Vocal takes and Dubs (more then 16 Bars long)
-Bass Track
-2 Acoustic stereo tracks
-4 Guitar tracks, dubbs and fills
-4 Slide Acoustic guitar tracks
-4 dubbed effect vocal tracks
AT first, he G4-450GHz Dual choked with 2 errors, then it buffered into the session well and played everything back fine of the same FW drive.
The mac mini got major problems and only performed 28 tracks with the esx24 tracks frozen, and from time to time after heating up chokes again, i had to wait a few minutes before i bounced the session due to overload errors.
Over all, Both have G4 Processors and about 1GIG ram (450GHz Dual is under 1 GIG), but its a clear fact that double processors win, even the lowest 450GHz Dual is still hotter then any flashy fast Bused mac mini, powerbook or iMac.

Connecting MAC Air to Projector - which is better, hdmi, vga or usb?

Connecting MAC Air to Projector - which is better, hdmi, vga or usb?

HDMI is thje preferred digital replacemnt for older analog video standards, which your other choices use. It offers far higher signal and definition quality.
Apple has an adapter that is used with your Thunderbolt port/ Mini DisplayPort, if yours is equipped as such.
I've not had a problem with this. It is a Belkin.
http://store.apple.com/us/product/HA824ZM/A/belkin-mini-displayport-to-hdmi-adap ter?fnode=51

Option in desktop mac / which is better?

My husband plays games on his desk top with 17in screen which is not MAC. For his birthday I thought it would be good to give him a 22-27in monitor as I can get a good one for about low $200.00. Than I thought, why not just get a (used) mini mac to go with it. Than I thought again and started wondering is it better to go with used mini and new flat monitor or get a used imac?
I'm pretty sure that I can get the used mini and new monitor for cheaper price but I really like the wide screen mac monitors... My husband likes to play games, use itunes, burn DVD, Photo... and ect....
Can anyone tell me which is better way to go and what exactly I should be looking at? I need model number and you need to draw me a picture what I should be pricing or I won't understand...
Thanks for helping the girl who rides the short bus when it comes to computers.

Its me... again... to continue the last question, I just read that mac mini is not good for game playing??? because most of the games need xp or some other thing that mac doesn't have?? can u confirm?

I want to use microsoft office on my mac. I need it to run on windows platform. Which is better: boot camp or parallels 7 ?

I want to use microsoft office on my mac. I need it to run on windows platform. Which is better: boot camp or parallels 7 ?

Welcome to Apple Communities
You can install Office for Mac. If you don't want it, Boot Camp uses all the hardware, so it has the best performance for Windows, and Parallels allows you to run Windows in Mac without reboot and without Boot Camp. To use only this, download Parallels

Which is better for solving Mac issues

I have been experiencing Kernel Panics and program crashes. I want something that is good for testing hardware and OS issues. Can either of these find corrupted data files? I am looking at two utilities for purchase. Which is better for solving Mac Issues?
TechTool Pro
or
Disk Warrior?

When you say "complete bootable backup" do you mean that it contains the OS + all my applications? Basically a clone of the start-up?
Yes, you have that very clear. I use Tri-backup or CCC for this normally, but there are other options.
If I have this clone, and I start getting issues on my Mac, I can Zero the HD and reinstall the OS via the clone (including all the applications)?
Yes, and if pressed for time you can just keep working off the Clone.
I can Zero the HD and reinstall the OS via the clone (including all the applications)?
Yep, right back to 100%, excluding HW issues.
With all my software... it takes a day to reinstall all of it to a complete image.
Yes, the only sensible thing is a Clone... or two. Most problems can be overcome by simply Verifying/Repairing the HD once in awhile, Repairing Permissions before and after every update/upgrade, and turning off Auto Updates in SW Update CP... wait a couple of weeks and check these forums for the number of problems with any update.
PS. DiskWarrior has saved me hundreds of times from having to do complete new Installs or cloning back of Installs, I figure that's saved me 10's of thousands of hours & grief... I appreciate Alsoft so much that I don't even go for the generous upgrade offers on new versions... I just buy the new version completely at Retail.
PPS. Funny thing, you'll read something like DiskWarrior is a one Pony Dog Show or something... just does one thing... I just have to laugh outloud... Yeah, the one thing is... cure my incurable Mac Problems 99.9% of the time!

Which is better for solving Mac G5 issues

I have been experiencing Kernel Panics and program crashes. I want something that is good for testing hardware and OS issues. Can either of these find corrupted data files? I am looking at two utilities for purchase. Which is better for solving Mac Issues?
TechTool Pro
or
Disk Warrior?

Hi! Both and neither. Diskwarrior is the undisputed king of disk drive directory repair (which is the leading cause of drive problems)but that's all it does. TTP does directory repair although not as good as DW but TTP has a hardware test suite to test the components and can test a disk for bad blocks. I recommend both although you'll find yourself using DW the most. If you bought your machine new you should have a hardware test disk. It could be a separate disk or on one of the restore disks. As for your KP's start by disconnecting everything except the keyboard and mouse. Ram is also a likely culprit as can be a video card. The console log file will often give you a hint of the offending item. DR SMOKES article on KP's will also help. Tom

Best irc client for a mac 10.9 os

I was not give a choice for this OS. So anyway.
What is preferred IRC client for mac - mavericks. 10.9.2? Google and got lots of suggestions but none originated from an apple forum.

Ircle was my old favorite, but I can't find its download site anymore. You might want to look at:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_Internet_Relay_Chat_clients
Especially under the sortable IRC table, and also see http://www.roaringapps.com/ to see if any have been rated for compatibility.

What USB 3.0 card should I get for early 2009 Mac Pro so I can connect the Drobo 5D? They say get CalDigit or Sonnet. Anyone have preference or experience with reliability. Trying to find which is better.

What USB 3.0 card should I get for early 2009 Mac Pro so I can connect the Drobo 5D? They say get CalDigit or Sonnet. Anyone have preference or experience with reliability with this. I am running Lion and Trying to find which is better as I know from experience not all cards are created equal. Thanks in advance for your help!

yakov536 wrote:
High Point RocketU Quad USB 3.0 for Mac is working great for me. Had an issue with CD/DVD Drive which was resolved with most current driver downloaded from the support site.
Running Moutain Lion on Early 2009, mirroring two Seagate Go Flex 2TB USB 3.0 Drives. Installed in Slot 4.
Using it primarily with VMWare Fusion for Virtual Drives. Windows, Unbuntu and other OS running really well.
HPT Support was responsive and very helpfull using the WEB Portal under the product page.
I have some comments and a suggestion:
Have you tried your setup with a SD/CF combo card reader (like the Lexar or Kingston FCR-H63)? Does the card appear on the desktop when first plugged in?
Did you need to fool around with any kind of power issues in installing this card in the x4 PCIe slot of the MacPro?
Suggestion. Have you tried one of the fixed in this article to cure the BT issues in MacPro 3,1?
Good luck.
Henry

So I want to create my own IRC client...

I've wanted to make my own IRC client for a long time now. As soon as I switched from winfailure a few months ago (I think nearly a year now! ), actually.
As time went by I've slowly, begrudgingly gotten used to irssi, but with gritted teeth all the same. On winfailure, I used HydraIRC, and while this application was quite good, its supposedly open source license wasn't free as in free speech, only as in free beer. So while the code was open, it was only opened such that the code couldn't be used in other projects. Stab.
Anyway, I used this client for the better part of a year, and while it lacked quite a few things that would have probably turned others away like the complete lack of a scripting engine, it did what I wanted pretty well, and set an operational standard, if you will, that I got used to and have not found anywhere else. Yet.
So I want to recreate the standard I picked up on but for POSIX platforms (except for cygwin), and introduce some features of my own too. I simply don't know where to start, however.
Note that the subject says "create", not "write" - after asking around a bit in IRC ##linux recommended I try taking two IRC clients that have the features I want and merging their codebases. I've never done something like this before but I think it'd probably be fairly interesting, if not trying.
So, I'll list the features I'm looking for, and perhaps you can give me some suggestions on 1) how I'd either implement this myself or 2) a client with X feature already coded in. Thanks.
The features I'm looking for:
- Code Simplicity: This is the most important, to me, in the case of using others' code. Complex code (just look at rxvt if you want complex code) will just confuse and down-hearten me and make me run away.
- A network-oriented model: I want a client with a daemon, or server, that connects to my networks and performs most "heavyweight" takes, and a client, which just handles display. Quassel does this to an extent but is horribly underdeveloped and I don't have a system powerful enough to handle running Qt on a long-term basis (since I already tend to use GTK apps). I also don't know C++.
- Multiple clients: This is the second most important. I really need this one. I want to be able to have a "main" client that can connect to the server and manage general tasks, and a "light" text-based, console-driven client that connects and can be run over ssh, for example. Quassel completely falls apart here because it uses KDE's network-IPC libraries to transfer data from the server to the client, which a quick check with Wireshark showed to be binary. And I wouldn't want my "lite" client to require KDE, or at least KDE's libraries - that'd just be majorly weird.
- Speed: I want the client to be fast and responsive at all times, even on slower systems, and even when I'm connected to a lot of channels.
- Scriptability: It doesn't need to be complex, like Perl's library that applications can bind in. That's overmuch IMHO and, most importantly, slow.
I don't think one particular client meets those needs, but a few of you will probably shout "xchat!" Well, X-Chat is... not my thing. If irssi could be considered very far away from HydraIRC in terms of operation, X-Chat is the same distance away twice over. It doesn't operate the same way at all.
So, now that I've loosely explained the features I want, let me now explain another thing I want to be able to do.
Despite having hardware in dire need of upgrading right now (these systems aren't nearly that bad, but Firefox tends to eat my 512MB of RAM up pretty quickly, and I recently found all the PCs this house has in it 99% likely can't use DDR2 RAM, which isn't too good), I hope and believe that one day I'll upgrade to considerably better equipment with extensive graphics support. With this newer hardware I hope to create a new kind of UI model with animation integrated into the look-and-feel model of the UI the same way images are used for the same purpose today, GPLv3 license it so corporations can't steal it and use it in their products, and then bind it into my IRC client.
However, I want to start now, before I upgrade. With this in mind, I don't know whether I should make my own GUI toolkit, or use an existing toolkit now and rewrite half the codebase later to support my own graphics and animations. I'm not very good at making things that are programmatically extensible and flexible, so I don't really know what to do here. Simple hand-rolled toolkits such as dialogs with some text and a button can be managed in under ~250 lines of code, but anything bigger, and, well... you get stuff like GTK and KDE, whose toolkit libraries in total are both on the order of over a couple of MBs each, and have been in development for years, and continue to evolve rapidly today. If you're careful, you end up with FLTK, which I don't like the look of at all.
In addition to that, I want my client to be fast, even on slower computers. Right now, I have a 3-screen setup, with each screen being driven by a separate PC. The one on the right - the one I'd be putting my IRC client on - is a 450MHz P3 with 320MB of RAM. It runs X on a 4MB VGA card at 800x600. This is where I currently run an irssi session over ssh and screen. To give you an idea of the graphical power of this machine, antialiased Xft fonts with urxvt take 0.15 seconds to "scroll" when I say something in IRC. However, it's a capable PC if I harness its capability right, and is where I'd target my IRC client. And I dislike seeing my fonts redraw - I dislike seeing anything redraw, for that matter.
You might think I'm crazy, writing an IRC client for one of the slowest PCs in the house that works, that I in future want to extend to use a graphics layer that I hope to develop on a server-class Nehalem workstation with an insane amount of RAM and a pair of SLI'd GTX 280s in it.
I don't think I'm crazy. I'm using what I have to give back to the open source community, and using what I consider to be an cunning operational model to do it: back when the 450MHz P3 I spoke of was the only "main" working PC I had, I designed, in none other than Visual Basic 1.0, a media center UI. On Windows 98. In 2006. And, you know what, despite the fact that the animations it used were pretty basic, it actually looked really, really good. And why was this? Because I used software designed for 486DX2s running at 33MHz with 4 or 6MB of RAM, on a P3, with 128MB of RAM (yes, I've upgraded it since), clocked at 450MHz. The result? Blinding, optimized, speed. You really should try the older versions of VB sometime - I managed to score a copy of VB 2.0 which is legal to distribute because its "Make EXE" (ie compile) function is crippled. Email me and I'll mail you a copy - it's completely legal.
In the same manner, if I design this IRC client and carefully construct it so its client/server model works capably on my two PCs, my server (a machine not unlike the P3 I've been discussing - my server just has more hard disks in it, a 50MHz faster processor, runs my left-hand display and my IRC network) and my old desktop (the 450MHz box I've mentioned so much), when I finally bring it over to my new computer it'll be so fast that it'll be as if the computer is registering keypresses before I even type them. And that's the kind of performance I want to couple with shinyyy graphics.
Sorry this sounded halfway between a motivational speech, a request for help, and a coder's dilemma. lol
-dav7

Bit of an update: Varreon emailed me regarding VB 2.0 and we had a bit of a discussion regarding the language I planned to use.
He said it would be fine to post our conversation, so here's how it panned out:
Varreon wrote:...What language were you planning on writing your client in? I've written an irc bot in c++, and I'll upload my source code if you're interested in looking through it.
dav7 wrote:
Well, I'm not all that sure what language I want to use just yet.
I know I want it to be extensible, so I could either use a high-level, extensible but slow scripting language to power the client as a whole, or I could go down a path already travelled, proved extremely successful and in my opinion cleaner, and embed a scripting language, which would negate the requirement for a high-level language but still facilitate customization.
All the same, I'm not really all that sure what language to use.
C++ isn't really my thing - on my current computers, g++ takes maybe 3 seconds to compile the smallest of source files, and while that isn't *really * all that long, I'm not all that patient. As it stands I consider /gcc/ too slow for my preferences and use tcc instead - you might like to try it if you're on a 32-bit system.
I'll probably move to C++ when I get a new PC, but for now, all I really find fast enough for my liking is C, and I'm a little concerned that C might be a little too low-level for what I want to design here - beyond scriptability, I want the client itself to be easily extended in various directions. Of course the client will only appeal to a specific market (in an open source sense), but I do want it to feel organic and something that can be extended in as many directions as possible. So C probably won't be the language I use, and since C++ is slow to compile, it's probably going to be off the list as well.
All the same, I'm not concerned about speed in the irrational way I have been in the past, but at the same time I do need to be careful in my thinking regardless of the language I use since don't want a client that lags to death. A good example of a slow program is SciTE - the text editor I'm typing this in, Geany, uses the same edit control it uses (Scintilla, which is written in C++, AFAIK), and while this component has a good degree of editorial control, scrolling with the scroll wheel can be slow. Also, when I recently tried to run SciTE on an old laptop I found on the side of the road (AMD K-6, 350MHz, 32MB RAM), I discovered that just *typing* would lag the system horribly - typing about 15 keystrokes quickly resulted in a lag of about 6 seconds after which what I typed would appear all at once. Typing single keys - slowly - resulted in a delay of around 0.20-0.39ms (guessed).
Regarding scripting, I had my eyes on one embeddable language in particular but I forgot what it was called, so I headed to Wikipedia for a quick hunt-down session for it and managed to discover Falcon, which appears to use a VM but is at the same time the same insanely fast because it uses a C/C++-only policy for its modules. It also advertises itself as a scripting engine "ready to empower mission-critical multithreaded applications" so I'm considering Falcon to be a possible engine to integrate, and on a slightly long shot, even the language I might end up using. I also think hunting the first language I considered down and embedding that might be a nice idea, and I also might embed Perl. I'd love to be able to embed Ruby.
Overall however, I do need to contain my enthusiasm - the desire to throw in multiple scripting engines, awe-inspiring compositing graphics layers, and support for multiple protocols isn't such a bad idea, but if not controlled will result in serious featuritis, which when combined with a verbose, low-level language will only result in me throwing myself at the project too hard "to get it done", with proven disastrous results.
-dav7
[ Note, there's an update in a follow-up post below this one that affects the information you see here - just so you know ]
I've done some consideration since that email and it's possible that C++ might be able to be brought onto the table. This was mostly inspired by the good outcome I had with writing a couple of modules for InspIRCd, which uses C++, compared to my previous attempt when I knew no C.
The main thing I'm a little indecisive about at the moment is the toolkit; I want something that's fast but doesn't look all that bad; FLTK is, as I've said previously, not something I like the look of - it does appear to be somewhat themable but it's impossible to escape the fact that it values speed over shininess, and while this is excellent for my current target, I don't want to develop something that relies on it so heavily that it's next to impossible to port to whatever I end up using when it's time to get the graphics in, such as a UI model on top of an OpenGL canvas.
The second thing I'm unsure of is what scripting language I should use. I've done quite a bit of looking around - mostly to try and find that language I mentioned that I lost - and found quite a lot of possibilities, and even discovered that with some work (well, a lot of work, admittedly) it's even possible to embed Ruby into C++, and have Ruby call user-defined C++ functions and so on. It's not an official part of the project, but someone managed it nonetheless.
It seems to be possible to embed popular languages such as Perl, Python, Tcl, Lua, etc, but then there are lesser-known languages designed for embedding, such as Nesla, AngelScript and the like (such as that language I can't find, heh). And of course I could also embed a JavaScript engine, which would probably be very odd but all the same quite an experience.
Then there's Falcon, which appears to be a pretty good language in general but doesn't appear to have all that many modules available for it just yet, so doesn't seem to suit my purposes.
So, summing up:
- I don't know how I should develop this in terms of graphics - should I wait for a new PC and just use SDL or whatever I'm going to use, use a toolkit and either rewrite half of everything at some other point or juggle two display methods, or what?
- The number of scripting languages out there is mind-boggling. To me, it's not what syntax the language uses, or whether it's statically or dynamically typed, or how readable it is, it's #1 how fast it is, and #2 how suitable it would be in the context of an IRC client - string manipulation (even on every incoming and/or outgoing message), user interface control, and so on.
-dav7
Last edited by dav7 (2009-02-16 09:25:49)

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