Mac Pro + GeForce 8800 GT 512MB + WoW?

Hi,
Does anyone got experience from using a Mac Pro and the graphics card 8800 GT 512MB for playing World of Warcraft? I currently play on a iMac 24" and can only run the game in mid-ranged settings. Which disappoints me.
I want:
- to play on a Macintosh in Mac OSX. I work in this environment too. I am not interested in dualboot with bootcamp.
- to be able to maximize all graphical settings in WoW. Including some AA on a 23" inch display.
Can a Mac Pro with this graphic card handle this with decent FPS? Everything below 40 FPS is unacceptable.

This is an example log (I posted it in another thread too):
Tue Feb 26 22:50:36 2008
panic(cpu 7 caller 0x001A8C8A): Kernel trap at 0x0106e15c, type 14=page fault, registers:
CR0: 0x8001003b, CR2: 0x7555dea8, CR3: 0x014c4000, CR4: 0x00000660
EAX: 0x7555dea0, EBX: 0x00000000, ECX: 0x00000004, EDX: 0x00001101
CR2: 0x7555dea8, EBP: 0x8322fef8, ESI: 0x1a9f5c00, EDI: 0x6bb6b000
EFL: 0x00010202, EIP: 0x0106e15c, CS: 0x00000008, DS: 0x83220010
Error code: 0x00000000
Backtrace, Format - Frame : Return Address (4 potential args on stack)
0x8322fcd8 : 0x12b0e1 (0x457024 0x8322fd0c 0x13321a 0x0)
0x8322fd28 : 0x1a8c8a (0x460550 0x106e15c 0xe 0x45fd00)
0x8322fe08 : 0x19eb67 (0x8322fe20 0xcfed000 0x8322fef8 0x106e15c)
0x8322fe18 : 0x106e15c (0xe 0x48 0x10 0x10)
0x8322fef8 : 0x1072210 (0x6bb6b000 0xddbd4e4 0x8322ffc8 0x19714c)
0x8322ff18 : 0x41e7db (0x6bb6b000 0xc52d200 0x1 0x19d311)
0x8322ff68 : 0x41d938 (0xc52d200 0x0 0x0 0x0)
0x8322ff98 : 0x41d61a (0xc5ed9c0 0x0 0xc853720 0x0)
0x8322ffc8 : 0x19e93c (0xc5ed9c0 0x0 0x1a20b5 0xddbce20)
Backtrace terminated-invalid frame pointer 0
Kernel loadable modules in backtrace (with dependencies):
com.apple.GeForce(5.2.4)@0x1058000->0x10defff
dependency: com.apple.NVDAResman(5.2.4)@0xc21000
dependency: com.apple.iokit.IONDRVSupport(1.5)@0xc13000
dependency: com.apple.iokit.IOPCIFamily(2.4.1)@0x788000
dependency: com.apple.iokit.IOGraphicsFamily(1.5.1)@0xbf7000
BSD process name corresponding to current thread: kernel_task
Mac OS version:
9C31
Kernel version:
Darwin Kernel Version 9.2.0: Tue Feb 5 16:13:22 PST 2008; root:xnu-1228.3.13~1/RELEASE_I386
System model name: MacPro3,1 (Mac-F42C88C8)

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I posted this in some other blog (forum), I should have posted this here also but I hope this gives you and all with these problems hope!! I also ran some fish tank test some else posted to get the folding problem to happen and I can not get it to happen at all now, and since my 8800 went in I get NO LOCKUPS, SCREEN FREEZES, shaky blurry video when I boot, so far NOTHING, IT JUST WORKS!!!!!!!!
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