Mac Pro, Leopard 10.5.2, Photoshop CS3, 8800GT and Dual Monitors - Crashing
Hi, I received my Mac Pro (with Nvidia 8800GT) earlier this week and set it up with my dual monitors. I soon discovered that Photoshop CS3 crashes when scrolling a 'zoomed in' image with dual monitors. Photoshop is setup so that all palettes are on the smaller samsung monitor and the main image window I'm working on is on the 23" cinema display.
I've updated both the OS and CS3 but cannot solve the problem unless I switch to a single view setup, ie, drag all the palettes over to the larger monitor so that photoshop is no longer dual monitor. Then it works fine. Although it's a workaround, it's not an ideal situation. Has anyone else found this to be an issue? Have you found a solution?
I've also re-installed Photoshop, visited a genius bar and changed mice!
Thanks, any help would be appreciated.
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I am not sure, so it's better to ask.
I have the previous model of Mac Pro (12 core 3.33GHz) with GTX 770 plugged in. The system is 10.8.5. Till now, I was using Apple Cinema Display HD 30", but I would like to change it to a better monitor with 4K resolution if it will be possible. The question is, will it work fine with this card and under this version of OS?
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The graphic card itself can run this resolution without a problem, but what a bout the OSX? Everything will be OK?MarekO I do recall your name from before, just not the particulars.
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Did you read where the ASUS monitor customer had trouble? and that a firmware upgrade helped? Notice also the horrid customer support they first received and how miniDisplayPort vs DisplayPort?
I am sorry I don't have more experience or own a 4k monitor Would like to, sure.
There have been - especially a year ago - there was a lot of "hand-wringing" over which brand and models of 4k would even work on a 6,1 - let alone work with GTX 770 (which is supported on your Mac when running Windows btw in 4k mode, so there!)
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I put the Asus PQ321 in MST mode and Nvidia GPU can output 3840x2160. And if I run the "OpenClOcenawaves" bench, I get 61fps. Anyone familiar with this app knows it has been locked to refresh rate for last 2 OS builds. You can unhook it with Quartz Debug, but for my purposes, better not.
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Exciting stuff!! Though to be honest I had no idea we couldn't already plug a 4K display into our cMP's and get 60Hz support. I thought that was what they fixed in 10.9.3?
Only on AMD cards, been there since 10.9.2 I think. They stacked the deck against Nvidia, they have been limited to 30Hz. Artificially as it turns out.
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It was real easy in version 7, all i did is seelct mac to windows in adobe Image Ready. There is not program like that now in CS3...how to i adjust an image with a Mac gamma of 1.8 to the Windows Gamma of 2.2? i tried the convert to profile option, but when i select a gamma of 2.2 it goes all grey....HELP can someone tell me the exact steps??
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zeno3333 wrote:
Anyway, i found a photographers web site that has a layers file that converts from the Mac Gamma to the Windows gamma....
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zeno3333 wrote:
Macs have different gammas than PCs....something that everyone here for some reason refused to get the reality of.
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The images I am using are not generated by an obsolete workflow....that is what i have been saying all along. The images i make are made in programs other than Photoshop...they are from Bryce like i have mentioned, and from POVRay.The programs make images the way that the programs make them....when i print out that image unaltered in any way, they are too dark on a Windows Printer.....
Zeno3333 unfortunately fails to grasp that Bryce—and any other program he uses while running his improperly calibrated monitor— produce the dark images BECAUSE OF his workflow, which starts out on the wrong foot with a monitor calibrated to gamma 1.8.
It's NOT the fault of the other programs, alas, it's Zeno3333's fault exclusively.
zeno3333 wrote:
…so please do not blame my "photoshop workflow"…
There absolutely no one and nothing else to blame. It is Zeno3333's workflow at fault, beginning with his improperly calibrated monitor. Period.
zeno3333 wrote:
…Macs have different gammas than PCs....something that everyone here for some reason refused to get the reality of.
WRONG AGAIN! It is Zeno3333 who refuses to understand the basic concepts of color management.
Computers, PCs or Macs, have no "gamma". Color spaces do. And color monitors are calibrated to a given gamma.
The 1.8 gamma for Macs has been abandoned for a very, very long time. What's more, some Windows users used to calibrate their monitors to gamma 1.8 in the distant past. That is ancient history now, but it was by no means a Mac exclusive practice.
Anyone interested in learning about COLOR MANAGEMENT can start here:
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To all who are experiencing any of the frequently reported problems with the hardware/software combination listed in the subject heading:
I purchased the ATI X1900 XT as an upgrade fro my Mac Pro in January. I never experienced any issues with the card in OS X Tiger, but several months ago I began to experience overheating issues in Windows XP (Boot Camp) when playing graphics-intensive games. The overheating caused visible graphics corruption/artifacts, graphics system resets and even spontaneous system restarts. The frequency and severity of these symptoms actually increased over time, leading me to believe that the card was either defective or that the overheating was causing degenerative/cumulative damage to the graphics hardware.
I recently upgraded to OS X Leopard, and all **** broke loose. Immediately after upgrading, I began to experience frequent graphics corruption/artifacts (in the form of spurious horizontal lines), system lockups/freezes and spontaneous system restarts. None of these issues were present in Tiger. The system became completely unreliable and essentially unusable.
It was initially a popular belief that Leopard's graphics drivers were somehow buggy or incompatible with the X1900 XT. After my experiences, I don’t believe that’s the case. I think that the issues reported are symptomatic of hardware, not software problems. Leopard is merely a catalyst. Leopard's increased leverage of OpenGL stresses the graphics hardware in ways that Tiger did not, causing an overall increase in graphics hardware temperature. I believe that the glitches/artifacts/system freezes/restarts that I experienced were not due to buggy drivers, but due to the graphics card overheating as a result of the increased load placed on it by Leopard.
I brought my X1900 XT in to my local Apple store today and asked for a replacement. Fortunately, they had one in stock, and they gave me a new card on the spot. The technician was apparently well aware of the issues, and mentioned that they have had a lot of similar problems with new iMacs.
Since installing the new card, I have experienced no graphics corruption, system freezes or spontaneous system restarts, either in OS X Leopard or in Windows XP gaming.
I would urge anyone who is experiencing problems with the X1900 XT (in either Windows or OS X) to have their card replaced by Apple - assuming that their card or system is still under warranty, that is.
I suspect one of two possible scenarios is true:
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Theory #2. The thermal management system of the X1900 XT (all revisions) is inherently flawed. The card will slowly cook itself over time, and the effects are degenerative and cumulative. As the age of the card increases, so will the occurrence of graphics corruption, system freezes and spontaneous system restarts, especially when playing graphics-intensive games or running OS X Leopard.
I sincerely hope that Theory #1 is the case. I’ll be watching my system closely as I continue to use the new card, and hopefully there will be no further problems with overheating.
If theory #2 turns out to be true, then Apple has a huge PR nightmare on its hands, as each X1900 XT for the Mac is essentially a ticking time bomb that will self-destruct within months of purchase.
The funny thing is, this isn’t the first time I’ve had graphics card trouble with one of Apple’s “professional” towers. I bought a G5 several years ago when they were first released. I had problems with the stock nVidia graphics card in the form of what came to be known as the dreaded “black screen of death.” This became a commonly reported issue, experienced by many owners of the G5 in its first revision. Apple replaced my card and the problem never reoccurred. I’m hoping that I’ll be as lucky this time around.
I think it’s apparent that Apple’s batting average with graphics cards isn’t exactly stellar. It’s curious, considering that Apple offers a very limited selection of graphics options for their towers. One would think that by Apple only offering 3 graphics options, they would be able to have fairly tight control over the quality of the hardware, and plenty of time and resources to devote to testing. Unfortunately, I’ve had more graphics hardware-related problems on my Macs than any PCs I’ve ever used. That’s embarrassing, and Apple needs to do much better than this.I replaced my G5 Quad with a Mac Pro 8-core. The Mac Pro's thermal design is far superior to the G5's. The G5 Quad's liquid cooling system has a much bigger task (IBM doesn't publish the thermal dissipation numbers on their PPCs but I suspect they are high) than the more efficient Intel Xeons. The G5 liquid cooling units are troublesome and the issue is something I think Apple is quietly solving by replacing failed liquid cooled G5's (that are still under warranty) with Mac Pros (a very smart PR move). My primary concern when I switched to a Mac Pro was issues with the X1900 XT graphics card failure rates posted on the web and in these discussions. The very latest generation of the X1900 XT (July 2007) are reported to be more reliable. Many G5 owners are still reporting failed cards. Given the much higher thermal environment and the remarks in this thread, I can now see why. The interior of a G5, especially Quad, gets too hot for this ATi card. I had the nVidia GeForce 7800 GT in my Quad. That was a very good card. Still, the issues with the ATi x1900 XT may indeed be a thermal design issue that AMD may need to either address directly, or turn to a 3rd party solution.
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