MacBook pro + leopard - can't believe apple wrote this software

20 odd years banging the drum for all things apple then this.
thought I'd chuck leopard on my macbook pro (2gig Ram 2.16Ghz with rev B motherboard fix)
started from the dvd ok, so far so good, few clicks later choose the HD and off it went - briefly
"installation has failed please restart and try again"
ok, few minutes later, back to choosing my HD and lo and behold a wee yellow triangle - "you must first reformat this volume" wasn't expecting that. Why??
Mnh, ok, I'll stick to 10.4 for now... oh no you won't, restart (without the dvd in) gets 10 secs into the restart and shuts down automatically. Eh?? press the power button, it chimes happily, 10 secs later (just after the grey screen/logo has appeared) shuts down again
so I shove the dvd back in restart from it and back to the installer and reformat
its was tickety boo 10 minutes before I threatened it with leopard. Never ever had to reformat as part of an OS upgrade before, luckily, for once I had backed it all up onto an external
so back into the leopard installer, format HD, gets 3 mins in, "installation has failed because some folder or other could not be created restart and try again"
which I do - few times each time different errors, I checksummed the dvd, even sta and let the installer check the dvd prior to installation all seems ok
whats going on for fecks sake?? this is an apple OS upgrade, not some dodgy other OS
anyone else (and I think I know the answer already) having/had similar issue. is it a pandemic or just particular machines configurations

Hi all,
I want to repost this comment I made on another thread about Time Machine;
Hi,
After reading through this tale of woe I must say it is so frustrating when a machine doesn't work as expected.
I really think that it was a mistake for there to be an update option on the Leopard install disk. I feel it will be a rare circumstance that a system will be in good enough shape for that update to work well. Just think of what the installer has to do. It goes through every inch of tiger and changes what it needs t to make it leopard. How many possibilities are there for something to be missed? I am sure it is thousands. I did the update and my very fast 2.4 CD Macbook pro turned to molasses. Time machine worked sort of as long as you didn't do anything else with the machine.
I realized then that the update was not the way to go.
I would suggest everyone having trouble with any part of Leopard, by trouble I mean really non functioning parts not just an occasional glitch in graphics or mail doing something weird, Should back up just your data the best way you can and do an erase and install. I know this means finding all of the install disks of .dmg files but think of the time you are spending being frustrated with a broken computer. You know that after a clean install you will be functioning at least. There will be bugs. This is a .0 release. Those of us brave enough to try it have to deal with the issues. I agree there should be a bit more info from Apple about the potential snags but i seriously doubt that they can second guess all of them. I do believe that the update method was misleading.
I have been using Leopard a lot and I find it very functional. Lots of great innovations. Just give it time.
Greg N

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