Macbook Pro Retina or MBP?

Hi Guys.
I am interested to know your opinions on the following, as im stuck at a crossroards and just cant quite decide what to go for.
I am a designer and looking at buying a Brand new, New Apple MacBook Pro with Retina Display, Intel Quad Core i7, 2.4GHz, 256GB, 8GB RAM, with 15.4 Inch Display or  the Apple MacBook Pro, Intel Quad Core i7, 2.6GHz, 750GB, 8GB RAM with 15.4 Inch Display.
Now i do have a 2009 standard Macbook but would like to upgrade, i sometimes play games like Call of Duty 2/4 and Counterstrike Global Offensive but its pretty hard as the laptop is barely playable online with these games.
I was wondering if either of these 2 laptops im looking at purchasing would play any of these games comfortable with stable and high FPS as i do love the occasional multiplayer game.
Is retina really worth the extra money? will it improve visual graphically ingame?
I know both these laptops will be fantastic for my designing needs, but do they play well gaming online? which would perform better?
Any reply or input would be much appreiated.
Many thanks.

Pete77777 wrote:
I am a designer and looking at buying a Brand new, New Apple MacBook Pro with Retina Display, Intel Quad Core i7, 2.4GHz, 256GB, 8GB RAM, with 15.4 Inch Display or  the Apple MacBook Pro, Intel Quad Core i7, 2.6GHz, 750GB, 8GB RAM with 15.4 Inch Display.
I would opt for the non-Retina, antiglare. It's upgradable (RAM, boot drive) you can replace the optical drive with a another drive, you can clean the fans of dust bunnies etc. The anti-glare screen lets you work with no eyestrain/glare.
The Retina offers little, takes away a lot and brings new problems to the table, 90% of the people I've tested with say they can't tell the difference between it and the regular display.
Now i do have a 2009 standard Macbook but would like to upgrade, i sometimes play games like Call of Duty 2/4 and Counterstrike Global Offensive but its pretty hard as the laptop is barely playable online with these games.
3D games get improved on and require better video cards, which you can't change in a laptop.
If you want to 3D game, get a Windows 7 3D gaming tower, that way your compatible with everyone else,  you can clean the dust out and upgrade the parts, get better keyboards, larger monitors etc. Also Windows verisons remain like they are for at least a decade, unlike OS X which changes every year and breaks games. Because once they get your money, they don't tend to come back to spend more money on such a small market share of Mac users.
Here are some pre-built 3D gaming machines
http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/category/category_tlc.asp?CatId=114&cm_s p=Masthead-_-Computers-_-Spot%207
and here is the performance score of PC video cards, notice the Mac's are much lower on the list
http://www.cbscores.com/index.php?sort=ogl&order=desc
Here is tests of various video cards and CPU's
http://www.videocardbenchmark.net/

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