Mackie Universal Controller and Logic...

Hi all
I have one on order and believe it doesn't come with a manual for using with Logic.
Any ideas on the best place to start with useful resources?
Thanks!
Steve

Yes, Logic comes with a "Control Surfaces" manual, which documents all the control surfaces that Logic supports, and the full Mackie Control functionality is described there (well, apart from the undocumented features...

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Universal Controller Crashing Logic - HELP!?!

I got all excited over a product someone told me about called the Mackie Controller Universal so I ran out and rented one to try it. You can view more about the product at http://www.mackie.com/products/mcupro/index.html
Not sure if this is an issue with a Logic setting or if I need to connect with the Mackie people, but everytime I turn on the controller then open a session and try to work with it Logic freakin' CRASHES EVERYTIME!!!
Anyone else on this forum have this problem with a Mackie or other controller and know how to fix it?

Couldn't figure it out so I just got rid of the controller. Please delete this thread.

Mackie Universal Controller

Hello again,
I am re posting yesterday's query to solicit even more feedback. Thanks for the very helpful feedback thus far ... all very helpful and appreciated. I was hoping to get more feedback before laying out that kind of cash .....
Here's the post:
Cheers
Hello logic guru`s.
I am looking to get a controller to save me time in mixes and edits ...
Anyone have any input on options ... what`s worked well and what doesn`t work?
The two I am looking at are the Mackie and the Jazz Mutant.
I did a cursory seach and read some of the other posts, but know that issues come and go over time.
Any more current advice or comments are much appreciated.
Cheers
Dee

Hi Bee Jay,
Thanks for feedback. I usually check the search before posting to annoyance. I did in this case ... and it was previous discussions that put the Mackie in the back of my mind for future. Just soliciting feedback re recent OS and pro apps upgrades - as well as Jazzmutant Dexter controller. No word on the later so it sounds like the Mackie is the way to go.
Cheers
Dee

Synchronisation between Keyboard Controller and Logic

Hello there,
I just bought a new controller, a CME UF8. I am trying to synchronise the remote sequencer on the keyboard to control logic sequencer (play/record/Forward/synthesizer functions, knobs etc).
Also in the Key Commands- Global Commands it doesn't show Midi Remote .
I just can't find out how to do it.
Does anyone have an idea?
Thank you very much.

As mentioned in the new features manual, the MIDI remote feature is now integrated with the contoller assignments, so you would use the controller assignments window to learn MIDI commands for Logic functions.

Q: For Mackie Universal Control users...

How do you existing users of these wonderful Mackie and eMagic control surfaces like how the box behaves in Plug in selection/editing...?? Do you find it easy, and intuitive?
I'm now seriously interested in getting a Mackie Universal, or eMagic Logic Control. I've been a user of the Behringer BCF for well over a year now, but hadn't utilized it much beyond the fader, and pan automation. I don't like how it works for manipulating plug-ins.
Thanks!

How do you existing users of these wonderful Mackie
and eMagic control surfaces like how the box behaves
in Plug in selection/editing...?? Do you find it
easy, and intuitive?
I'm now seriously interested in getting a Mackie
Universal, or eMagic Logic Control. I've been a user
of the Behringer BCF for well over a year now, but
hadn't utilized it much beyond the fader, and pan
automation. I don't like how it works for
manipulating plug-ins.
Thanks!
I've had a Logic Control since it came out. The main things I use it for are:
1. transport functions, including scrolling to a location.
2. dedicated "save" button
3. fader control / automation
4. nudging objects (VERY useful)
5. occasional plug-in parameter adjustment
I find that searching for a plug-in parameter I need to adjust takes longer than just reaching up with the mouse and moving it. With simple plugs (few parameters) this is not an issue, but complex ones have LOTS of parameters. The abbreviations (caused by display limitations) make finding the parameter you want even more clumsy.
Still - the control surface is the way to go to speed up your workflow, as well as helping to spread repetitive-stress injury throughout your body.
HL

Tascam US-2400 with Mackie C4 and Logic

Anybody using Logic with Tascam US-2400 (USB) control surface and a Mackie Control C4 plugin controller (MIDI) at the same time?
Wonder if there would be a conflict using both, but seems like a nice Logic setup if it could work.

Typically, its not about if a piece of hardware works with LPX.. It's whether or not it works with 10.8.x and if the Devs have written drivers that are compatible with 10.8.x that really matters....
In the case of Tascam, sadly, they don't have a good track record of providing support for newer OS X versions and instead just "end of life' their older products....
You will see from the following thread that the problem caused by Tascam not providing updated drivers for Mountain Lion, affects other DAWs Like PT and not just Logic...
http://duc.avid.com/showthread.php?t=342253
As for the 2400 and ML 10.8.4 itself...
At the moment, there doesn't appear to be anything new forthcoming from Tascam.... and they are not being overly helpful in regards to the non compatibility issues of the 2400 and ML 10.8.4 because as far as they are concerned they have "end of life"d that model...... Contact Tascam to register your wishes for a ML 10.8.4 driver.. Maybe if enough users do so, they might have a change of heart.. but based on their past history, I wouldn't hold my breath.
A few users have reported that they got their 2400 working under ML 10.8.2 but when asked how, none have been forthcoming with any answers.. The majorityof 2400 owners have stated its basically a 'no go' in regards to things like Fader movement etc... even using HUI compatibility mode... under Mountain Lion and have either moved on to new hardware that is fully supported under 10.8.x or have rolled back to 10.6.8 and Logic Pro 9 or whatever other DAW they use that works under Snow Leopard.
Finally, Apple made a mistake including the 2400 as a 'supported' hardware in the info for LPX and ML.... (They just copied the list over from the one they used with LP9 and Snow Leopard) They have since suggested that they will be updating the list and the 2400 will be removed from that list as Tascam are seemingly not intending to update their drivers for it any further....

Universal Audio Card in mac pro and logic together.

Hello, I am thinking on purchasing an Universal Audio Card and using it with a mac pro and logic studio.
Does anyone know if they have used or know about using a Universal Audio card (UAD-2 Nevana 32), or any other universal audio card?
Can you use this card with a mac pro and logic studio and does it have any latency issues? And can you use the Universal's mixor and logic's mixor at the same time, Or do you just use the plug ins on the UAD when using logic. Also it looks like it comes with one input on the card, so how do you plug in multiple guitars and bass and piano, or do you just run one input in and buy a input device for it (what would I need to buy for that?), Thanks so much.
Lou.

Universal's documentation says that it is compatible with Logic 7 and Logic 8. You might want to ask in the Logic forums about hands-on experiences. Universal also has their own forums where you'll probably be more likely to get useful information from experienced users:
http://www.studionu.com/uadforums/
Regards.

Set up Mackie MCU Pro and Extension Logic 9

I have very advanced knowledge of studio and logic
I have been trying to install the MCU and extender for 2 days and still nothing which is soul destroying
I have an imac with lion
Please can anyone help me before it all goes out of the window
Matt
07905918866
[email protected]

What have you tried?
Midi in and out on one midi channel for each unit?
Open Control surface preferences/setup/new and select scan? or install and directly select the units?

Mini and Logic Pro7.2

Hello
I am a solo musician and I am in the process of completing home studio.
Since I am starting from scratch and have a luxury of spending 10K at once I have compiled a list of gear I plan to put together:
Audio Interface - Motu - traveler
Midi Sync - Motu - express xt
mic preamp - UA - 6176 channel strip
mic - rode - ntk
controller - mackie - universal
monitor - yamaha - hs80m
sound module - I am torn between yanaha MotivRack and Roland - fantom xr
As a computer, initially I am planning to use new Apple Mini. My thinking goes as follows:
Apple will introduce a G5 tower replacement and new operating system around Christmas. In between now and New Year I will be learn how to use logic pro midi capacity. I do not believe that I could record audio, but midi should run well on Mini. Once new G5 tower replacement Apple is available, I will sell mini and upgrade.
What do you think?
1) About the gear - I welcome any suggestions for improvement.
2) Will I be able to use Mini to use midi - someone told me that he is using mini for audio but I have my doubts since HD is only 5400 mpr.
Sincerely,
AnyaS
tbd Logic Pro7.2 on Mini

hey i mean, all that stuff sounds great! but do you actually need any of it? you should buy what suits your needs and the way you like to work. what exactly are you trying to accomplish? are you looking to get into scoring, put out an album, record other bands? these are the most important questions and the answers to those should dictate what you buy. it seems to me that you are going to be seeing a lot of overlap between all those different sound sources. and most likely, a lot of unused/wasted stuff. don't forget that Logic alone comes with a pretty massive library of instruments, sounds and effects. if there is indeed something specific like say, symphony orchestra stuff then yeah something specialized like the miroslav would be great to have. but i'd really ease back and weigh your needs and focus a bit more on figuring out what you're goal is with this setup. if i had 10k to spend personally i'd buy:
Quad G5
2 20" Cinema Displays
1 88 key MIDI controller
Logic Pro
Dynaudio monitors
A nice desk (as in furniture, not mixer)
A nice chair
A decent mic
A nice interface
and MAYBE some kind of soft ROMpler like Atmosphere or SampleTank or something
and i'd still have a bunch of money left over
i think you'd be surprised how little gear you are actually going to need. of course, i don't really know what you're looking to do so maybe you do indeed need all that kit. tell us more about what you are planning to do musically and that could help better pick a smart shopping list
if it interests you at all, i own a sound design/sample company and i also do some custom scoring work for t.v. and video and my entire setup is:
Logic Pro
Mac mini
MIDI Controller
SoundTrack Pro -wave editor
Large Sample Library
portable HD recorder and stereo mic for field recording
Blueroom Minipod monitors
i also have a few hardware synths that have become more collection pieces and don't get much use anymore. and some other software like Reason and Ableton Live that don't get a lot of use anymore. i make a nice living off this very basic setup. my studio is in my apartment in the extra bedroom. it's clearly not all about the gear for me.

Digi Design 003 or Mackie Universal Pro

Dumping my Roland VS2480 for Logic Pro and I need an audio interface & controller. I am looking for one complete package but so far I have not identified one. The new Mackie Universal Pro has 1 USB & 3 midi inerfaces but does not appear to have any audio interfaces, USB is not the way to go from what I have read. The Digi Design 003 has all the connections I need - yet all it mentions is Pro Tools vs being a viable alternative for Logic Pro as a controller. If I could mash the 2 together I would. Any suggestions? I have about $2,500 to spend. I have a MAC Pro Quad, 4 GB Memory , 3.0ghz and 1.5 TB storage.

Hi
I used to have a Digi 002 with control surface and now have an M-Box Pro and a Mackie HUI for the purposes of this discussion.
The Mackie works fantastically with Logic as it was codesigned by the Logic and Mackie guys. It works better than the 002 control surface worked with Pro Tools.
The Mackie also has HUI mode which allows it to control pro tools (still in a better way than the 002 did). You can get a "pro tools overlay" ($20 or something) that shows which buttons do what in the HUI/Pro Tools mode. The modes are switchable.
The USB cautions you have seen relate to audio and not midi, midi over USB is no problem. I've got the older Mackie which is midi only which is also fine and you can pick them up around $700. It does need a free midi in out though.
The 003 (whilst pitched as a minor augmentation of the 002) does allow for a midi mode which allows the 003 control surface to control 3rd party software, but the software has to be mapped to the controller which is potentially quite a drag. So there's no "driver/personality" for Logic or Reason etc....
I would say (and am currently thinking about) having the 003 non-control surface (rack) version and the Mackie as the best of all worlds. The MCU Pro (±$1200 midi & USB ) and the 003 rack $1299 would be one way. Or you could get the rack factory which has a cool plugin bundle for $1695 and the midi only Mackie MCU at around $700.

Mackie universal control

I want to purchase an eEmagic Logic Control. Will it work with Logic 7.1? Is there a firmware update I would need to get?
What is the benefit of getting Mackie Universal Control?
Thanks all!

Yes it will work fine, no firmware update needed, allthough you can update it if your want, the firmware is downloadable.
You don't need to upgrade the chips to MCU spec either.
MCU gives you additional controller models, including HUI modes, which are irrelevant when controlling Logic. And a different colour scheme.
Note there is a difference between the "Logic Control", "Mackie Control" and "Mackie Control Universal" - basically - don't get a stand Mackie Control, because it doesn't have the Logic controller handling built in, and so can't be used successfully with Logic (unless you upgrade it).
So in short, a Logic Control will work fine. And you'll love it...

Logic Control and Logic Pro 9.1.0

I'm running Logic Pro 9.1.1 and Logic Control V1.02 which makes it mackie control.
Today i set it up with Logic and noticed a few things:
1. The level reading on the Logic Control's display is choppy...meaning if i raise a fader really slowly the display levels also rise slowly synced with on the onscreen faders. However if i move the faders a bit faster, the Logic Control display reading is very choppy--it always settles at the right level, but the changes are jumpy. Is this usual ? This was not the case with Logic 7.
2. A few times the locator bar jumped forward missing beats, as if stop/play were pressed repeatedly. I rebuilt defaults and now it seems to be working fine, This used to happen to me in Logic Pro 7 as well, maybe its a fault with my controller. Anyone ever experience this ?
Thanks
Faisal

Cowbell, my experience has been different.
I tried the Logic Control mode but things were really wierd, some buttons not working, then the whole control lost contact with logic till i re-launched.
The Scroll bar jumping thing was happening a lot more often.
Then i deleted LC, trashed preferences and re-booted in Mackie Control mode.
Still strangeness and i went did the check TOUCHLESS FADER thing and all is working fine now which is WEIRD!!!!!! I think i may have a defect in the jog wheel/transport section but its all working fine for now.
I'll give it a few days.
Thanks !!

D20 Blue Screen loading Windows 7-64bit using Intel controller and Marvell enabled

Hi, Help,
Hardware:
D20, 4158, Four 500GB Seagate SATA drives configured as a RAID10 1TB virtual disk (partitioned into five logical drives).
Goal:
Recover or repair a degraded RAID array.
I want to be able to launch Windows 7-64bit using the Intel controller and have it access the virtual disk of the degraded RAID array attached to the Marvell controller. Subsequently, I want to use the Marvell MRU utility to repair/recover the situation.
Situation/Issue:
Things ran well for two years and two months until yesterday. Now, when booting I see:
1962: No operating system found. Press F1 to repeat boot sequence.
If I use the Windows 7 installation CD and load the Marvell driver, the attempt to recover the operating system reports that the MBR is corrupt and cannot be repaired.
If I boot with the Marvell controller disabled in the D20 BIOS, using a Windows 7 installation (with Marvell drivers) attached to the Intel controller, everything works except (of course) I cannot access the RAID drives.
If I reboot with the Marvell controller enabled, using the same Windows 7 installation via Intel controller, I see a "Starting Windows" announcement followed by a flash of the blue screen of death.
The BSOD message is unspecific, no error code, just...
"A problem has been detected and Windows has been shut down to prevent damage to your computer.
If this is the first time you've seen this Stop error screen,
restart your computer..."
Additional information:
If I access the Marvell BIOS (ctrl-M) and look at Devices, one of the four Seagate drives has status FREE instead of status ASSIGNED. If I run the Marvell BIOS verify disk utility diagnosic on that FREE status disk, I get a fault error after about 30 minutes of scanning. So, one Seagate disk is sour and somehow the MBR was corrupted at the same time.
History:
Two years ago, during the intial configuration, I could access the Marvell RAID disks from this Intel-controller-booted Windows 7 installation, but my fuzzy memory is that I had to change something in the D20 BIOS, such as the AHCI setting or similar.
Status:
Today, using the Intel controller to boot Windows 7 with the Marvell controller enabled is just BSOD. What am I missing or failing to do or set?
Thank you in advance for any help and ideas.
-John
Solved!
Go to Solution.

Update:
I replaced the 500GB Seagate disk with a new 500GB Seagate. I ran the Marvell BIOS verify disk utility on the new disk drive and it passed with no errors. Following the steps given in the Marvell MRU online help, I rebuilt the virtual disk. Upon completion (which took a little more than an hour to complete), I rebooted. Before the Seagate disk went south yesterday, the Marvell virtual disk contained one primary partition (C, and four NTFS drives (D:, E:, F:, and Z. Now it contains three primary NTFS drives (C:, F:, and Z. An extended partition contains D: (an unformatted volume of size 199.30MB) and an unused space of 199.30GB.
Event log:
Looking at the event log, Windows reports that the disk in question raised a warning yesterday. Three messages share the same timestamp (all from mv64xx (a Marvell process):
"Physical disk 16 is plugged out."
"Virtual disk 0 is degraded."
"Physical disk 16 is plugged in."
Eight seconds later, UserPnp logs:
"Driver Management has concluded the process to add Service disk for Device Instance ID SCSI\DISK&VEN_SEAGATE&PROD_ST3500418AS&REV_CC38\5&248BBE23&0&000100 with the following status: 0"
One second later, UserPnp logs:
"Driver Management concluded the process to install driver FileRepository\disk.inf_amd64_neutral_10ce25bbc5a9cc43\disk.inf for Device Instance ID SCSI\DISK&VEN_SEAGATE&PROD_ST3500418AS&REV_CC38\5&248BBE23&0&000100 with the following status: 0x0."
Questions:
Is it possible that UserPnp corrupted the Marvell virtual disk after an intermittent physical disk unplugged/plugged-in event that happened when the Seagate hardware went failed. It looks to me like my D: and E: are toast despite RAID 10.
Any ideas? Is there anyway to recover the Marvell virtual disk configuration to the state prior to the hardware failure? If not, what good is RAID 10?
My apologies for the long posting, but I am an old software guy who does not understand the intricacies of RAID and disk management.
Thank you in advance for any leads toward a solution,
-John

Multimedia Audio Controller, and Video Controller(VGA compatible) are missing on Windows XP(32Bit) SP3

Hi.
My Desktop Computer(Intel P 4, 512MB of RAM, and Graphics Card with 256MB of RAM)
Also, My Desktop Computer with P 4 doesn't have any access internet since there is no network adapter is installed. As a result, I would not be able to run the pc scan utility, or Reader a web-based applet that identifies my GPU or Audio controller
and finds the latest graphics driver for my GPU, and Audio.
I have two Windows XP installations:
Windows XP SP2(32Bit) which is old and it seems it infected by some viruses.
I have installed another fresh clean Windows XP(32Bit) SP3. However, I have two devices not detected well by Windows XP.
First of all, when saying that I have multi-operationgs systems, I mean there are two operating systems installed on my PC(SP2, SP3) both are 32Bit. The first Windows SP2(NOT installed by me) has all multimedia audio card installed well,
and has SCSI and RAID Host Controller shown the device manager. However, only the VGA is not installed on Windows SP2. However, the second one Windows SP3(Installed by me) has VGA not installed, Multimedia audio NOT installed, and there is no SCSI and RAID
Host Controller in device manager.
First: Yes, my motherboard has integrated video, and integrated audio card
According to the screen shots above, then
The vendor ID of Multimedia Audio Controller is 8086 and the device ID is
24D5.
The vendor ID of Video Controller is 8086 and the device ID is
2572.
I AM EXPECTING THAT KNOWING THE VENDOR ID AND THE DEVICE ID WILL LET ME QUICKLY FIND THE APPROPRIATE DRIVER. HOWEVER, I COULDN'T FIND THE APPROPRIATE DRIVER.
Thus, could you please help me to find them?
I have tried installing a soundMAX card driver, however, I found this error.
I have checked the other Windows XP SP2(32Bit) which is oder installed, and it seems it infected by some viruses.
However, the Multimedia Audio on that Windows is installed well. As here: I only posted these screen shots to show what kind of device is Multimedia Audio Card
The motherboard model is:
Belarc Advisor Computer Profile
Operating
System
System
Model
Windows XP Professional
Service Pack 3 (build 2600)
Install Language: English (United
States)
System Locale: Arabic (Yemen)
Installed: 22/03/2013 12:03:16
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Boot Mode: BIOS (Secure
Boot not supported)
Enclosure Type:
Desktop
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Main Circuit Board
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3.00 gigahertz Intel Pentium
4
16 kilobyte primary memory cache
1024 kilobyte secondary memory
cache
64-bit ready
Hyper-threaded (2 total)
Board: 775i65G.
Bus
Clock: 200 megahertz
BIOS: American Megatrends Inc. P3.00
03/20/2007
Drives
Memory Modules
c,d
39.99 Gigabytes
Usable Hard Drive Capacity
29.48 Gigabytes Hard Drive Free
Space
COMPAQ CD-ROM LTN486S [Optical drive]
3.5" format removeable
media [Floppy drive]
WDC WD400BB-75DEA0 [Hard drive] (40.00 GB) -- drive
0, rev 05.03E05, SMART Status:
Healthy
504 Megabytes Usable
Installed Memory
Slot 'DIMM0' has 512 MB
Slot 'DIMM1' is
Empty
Local Drive
Volumes
c: (NTFS on drive 0) *
20.98 GB
14.16 GB free
d: (NTFS on drive 0)
19.01 GB
15.33 GB free
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Drives
None
discovered
Users
(mouse over user name for details)
Printers
local user
accounts
last logon
عايض
لرضي
19/01/2015 10:59:17 م
(admin)
local system
accounts
Administrator
never
(admin)
Guest
never
HelpAssistant
never
SUPPORT_388945a0
never
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a disabled account; Marks
a locked account </center>
Controllers
Display
Standard floppy disk
controller
Intel(R) 82801EB Ultra ATA Storage Controllers
Primary IDE
Channel [Controller]
Secondary IDE Channel [Controller]
None
discovered
Bus
Adapters
Multimedia
Intel(R) 82801EB USB
Universal Host Controller - 24D2
Intel(R) 82801EB USB Universal Host
Controller - 24D4
Intel(R) 82801EB USB Universal Host Controller -
24D7
Intel(R) 82801EB USB Universal Host Controller - 24DE
Intel(R)
82801EB USB2 Enhanced Host Controller - 24DD
None
discovered
Virus
Protection [Back to Top]
Group
Policies
Norton AntiVirus Version 18.1.0.37
 Virus Definitions Version Not Up To Date
 Realtime File Scanning
On
None
discovered
Communications
Other
Devices
↓ Realtek RTL8139 Family PCI Fast
Ethernet NIC
Status:
Cable unplugged
Dhcp Server:
none responded
Physical Address:
00:19:66:1F:F7:54
USB Human Interface
Device
Standard 101/102-Key or Microsoft Natural PS/2
Keyboard
HID-compliant mouse
USB Root Hub (5x)
USB Storage Use in past 30 Days(mouse
over last used for details)
Hosted Virtual Machines (mouse over
name for details)
Last
Used
SanDisk Cruzer Blade, s/n
4C532000020502112303, rev 2.01
19/01/2015
09:32:57 م*
USB 2.0 USB Flash Drive, s/n
59309e92e21612, rev 0.00
09/01/2015
12:29:17 ص*
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time.</center>
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discovered
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A man should convert his anger and sadness into strength to continue living in this life.

Dont worry, dont think anyone was as a matter of fact
http://forums.creative.com/creativelabs/board/message?board.id=soundblaster&message.id=908&jump= true#M908
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;80509
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;84567
that worked for me, maybe it will help someone else that went through what i did, its a miracle i did not top myself after going through all this BS. ALSO dont threaten your computer with violence, cos it will always call your bluff which makes things worse

Any experience mixing with VRM box and Logic?

I was interested in anyone's experience using Focusrite's VRM box and Logic.

Someone mentioned the BSF2000. I have the same and it is very useful.
In the default BSF mode there is no feedback into the sliders (they don't move with existing automation), however you can send up to 117 CCs, PCs and some other kinds of data on each preset from up to 16 MIDI chanels and Logic picks them all up with no problems.
However, you can start the BCF 2000 in Logic Control mode, (for those who have BCF 2000 and haven't seen this option yet, swith off the BCF 2000, then swith on holding down the 3rd upper button– the one just below the Parameter rotary controller. When you start the display will show LC instead of bC. To return to BCF mode, restart holding the 1st upper button, the one just below the Type rotary control.) install the Logic control driver in Logic and you have feedback into the faders and rotary controls. The downside of the Logic Control mode is that is doesn't have instructions and I've spent days trying to work out what all the presets are.
Remeber too in BCF2000 mode you can not only use the controls to manage automation of ANY midi parameter, but you can also use them to replace keystroke shortcuts. eg I have one button that toggles all tracks between latch and read, another that moves through screen sets another that shows and hides global tracks etc.
Well worth every penny.
Peter
G4 Tower 1.2g GHz Dual Mac OS X (10.4.2)
G4 Tower 1.2g GHz Dual, 2GB RAM Mac OS X (10.4.4)

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