Mail.app, movamail and gmail

hi
I use gmail for my main email account, which I access predominantly via mail.app. I've recently started using movamail on my mobile phone to check email periodically and I've realised that this marks the gmail messages as 'downloaded' in some way (although the messages are still marked as unread on gmail), so that when I check for new messages via mail.app, it does not download the messages that I've viewed on my phone.
Is there some way to set mail.app to download all new unread messages? Or is there some setting on gmail or movamail that anyone know about?
any help gratefully received.
thanks
Jamie
ibook Mac OS X (10.3.7)
powerbook Mac OS X (10.4.8)

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This is a Gmail issue that you can do nothing about if you want full POP access to your Gmail account from more than one computer. Gmail POP access does not work as a normal POP mail server should. Here are some of its idiosyncrasies:
1. Messages downloaded by any conventional POP mail client are marked as downloaded at the server (but not as read on the web), and no longer available to either the same or any other POP mail client.
2. To make already downloaded Gmail messages available for POP access again, you must log into your Gmail account with a web browser and re-enable POP downloading for all your messages, which will cause everything (and I mean everything) still there to be downloaded again.
3. Any Mail > Preferences > Accounts > Advanced > Remove copy from server settings have absolutely no effect on the messages stored on Gmail’s server. The reason is that, after being downloaded, those messages are no longer available to any mail client, not even to the same client that has just downloaded them, not even for deleting them or checking whether they are still there.
4. Messages created and sent using the web interface will be downloaded by your POP mail client as if they were incoming messages. You can set up a rule in Mail to automatically route those messages to the appropriate Sent mailbox (or to any other mailbox for that matter) if that's what you want. Although this may seem weird, it's good because it allows archiving all messages locally in Mail, regardless of how they were sent -- as long as you don't access the same Gmail account with more than one mail client, that is.
5. Messages created and sent using a POP mail client such as Mail are also treated as if they were incoming messages for POP purposes, just as in 4. What prevents them from being downloaded is that Gmail marks them as already downloaded immediately. They would, however, be downloaded if Gmail settings were changed as described in 2 above.
6. As a particular case of 5, messages sent to yourself will appear in your Inbox on the web, but won’t be available for download by any POP mail client either.

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