Mail app on Tiger and Leopard no longer bring in mail from non-apple servers

My husband's computers use Tiger and Leopard (10.5.8) to access his email on the Mail program. His mail is from Comcast and uses the Comcast server, not apple or iCloud. His mail suddenly stopped working a couple of days ago.....as it did on one of my machines that still uses Tiger. He had not done any updates that could have broken the software. He does not have iCloud except on his phone and he doesn't even have a .mac address. There is no reason for the comcast server to not be able to be accessed by Mail app.
He did finally update everything that needed it and it still does not work. Why would Apple's change over to iCloud break email access from other servers and how can we fix it. He really doesn't want to do his mail on Comcast's web site as it's slow and awkward.
Thanks for any help you all can offer.
Paula

Thank you for answering.
I know it shouldn't have been able to stop those accounts from working on the Mail app but it did.Out of 4 machines, 3 stopped working at the same time. The 4th is on Snow Leopard and continues to get my Comcast mail. But the one Tiger machine and 2 Leopard machines no longer access any mail from any server. Shouldn't be possible, but it happened.
I don't want to delete accounts because I don't want to lose the old email in the different folders on there and the software is acting so bizarrely, I know the mail would be lost.
I checked all the settings and compared them to the one on Snow Leopard that still works. The settings are all the same. The only difference is the OS.
And to make things more frustrating, I found that several entries in my Contacts book were either deleted or scrambled with phone numbers for person A in the entry for say, person C. I mean it's a real mess and this all happened after I got a notice from Apple that they were shutting down all their mobile me stuff and sending everything to iCloud. Syncing is obviously a mess now and I don't even want my stuff sync'd there. My husband has never even signed up for iCloud but since he has an iTunes account, thus an Apple acct, they appear to have automatically put him on iCloud too. And....mail quit working unless he gets it on his iPad or iPhone.
We're fed up with Apple's insistence on total control of it's customers' previously working equipment. We have no desire to upgrade to Lion or it's next iteration. We have been happy with what we have and asked only that it continue to just WORK.
It's become a rotten Apple in the past few years. We've been with them a long time but we're watching other companies closely for something that will do what we need without the draconian control.
I have a feeling the only way to "fix" Mail.app is to upgrade to Lion and we won't be doing that.
Thanks again.

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I've ran a quick diff between the sysctl values in Tiger and Leopard. Note: This is from two different macbook's, so some values may be changed due to hardware.
This should give folks an idea as to what buffer sizes, performance tweaks, etc. have been added.
If you're real bored, I guess you could revert everything network related back to Tiger values ... but, yeah, good luck with that. You may break more than you fix.
Most of these you can lookup on-line or in the kernel source to see what they do. Sometime in the next week or so I'll add descriptions if you don't have a network background or src code background.
Removed
T debug.net80211: 0 0
T net.athCCAThreshold: 28 28
T net.athaddbaignore: 0 0
T net.athaggrfmax: 28 28
T net.athaggrqmin: 1 1
T net.athbadrxbuf: 0 0
T net.athbadrxdesc: 0 0
T net.athbgscan: 1 1
T net.athdupie: 1 1
T net.athforceBias: 2 2
T net.athforcebadrx: 0 0
T net.athpowermode: 0 0
T net.athppmupdate: 1 1
T net.athvendorie: 1 1
T net.inet.tcp.delacktime: 50
T net.pstimeout: 20 20
Changed
T net.link.generic.system.ifcount: 11
L net.link.generic.system.ifcount: 7
T net.inet6.ip6.fw.debug: 1
L net.inet6.ip6.fw.debug: 0
T net.inet.ip.fw.debug: 1
L net.inet.ip.fw.debug: 0
T net.inet.ip.fw.one_pass: 1
L net.inet.ip.fw.one_pass: 0
T net.inet.ip.fw.static_count: 12
L net.inet.ip.fw.static_count: 1
T net.inet.ip.maxchainsent: 0
L net.inet.ip.maxchainsent: 45
T net.inet.ip.rtexpire: 10
L net.inet.ip.rtexpire: 140
T net.inet.tcp.blackhole: 2
L net.inet.tcp.blackhole: 0
T net.inet.tcp.keepidle: 144000
L net.inet.tcp.keepidle: 7200000
T net.inet.tcp.keepinit: 1500
L net.inet.tcp.keepinit: 75000
T net.inet.tcp.keepintvl: 1500
L net.inet.tcp.keepintvl: 75000
T net.inet.tcp.localslowstartflightsize: 4
L net.inet.tcp.localslowstartflightsize: 8
T net.inet.tcp.loginvain: 3
L net.inet.tcp.loginvain: 0
T net.inet.tcp.msl: 600
L net.inet.tcp.msl: 15000
T net.inet.tcp.sendspace: 32768
L net.inet.tcp.sendspace: 65536
T net.inet.tcp.sockthreshold: 256
L net.inet.tcp.sockthreshold: 64
T net.inet.tcp.pcbcount: 41
L net.inet.tcp.pcbcount: 38
T net.inet.tcp.recvspace: 32768
L net.inet.tcp.recvspace: 65536
T net.inet.udp.blackhole: 1
L net.inet.udp.blackhole: 0
T net.inet.udp.loginvain: 3
L net.inet.udp.loginvain: 0
T net.inet.udp.pcbcount: 44
L net.inet.udp.pcbcount: 16
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L kern.netboot: 0
L net.inet.ip.random_id: 1
L net.inet.ip.dummynet.debug: 0
L net.inet.tcp.backgroundioenabled: 1
L net.inet.tcp.backgroundiotrigger: 5
L net.inet.tcp.ecninitiateout: 0
L net.inet.tcp.ecnnegotiatein: 0
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L net.inet.tcp.insw_cksumbytes: 1244150487
L net.inet.tcp.maxseg_unacked: 8
L net.inet.tcp.outswcksum: 4438883
L net.inet.tcp.outsw_cksumbytes: 4483972145
L net.inet.tcp.rexmt_thresh: 2
L net.inet.tcp.rfc3465: 1
L net.inet.tcp.rtt_min: 1
L net.inet.tcp.socketunlocked_onoutput: 1
L net.inet.tcp.winscalefactor: 3
L net.inet.udp.inswcksum: 5697
L net.inet.udp.insw_cksumbytes: 721922
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L net.inet.udp.outsw_cksumbytes: 445568
L net.inet6.ip6.fw.enable: 1
L net.link.ether.inet.keep_announcements: 1
L net.link.ether.inet.sendconflictingprobes: 1
L net.link.ether.inet.sendllconflict: 0
L net.link.generic.system.dlilinput_sanitycheck: 0
L net.link.generic.system.multithreadedinput: 1
L net.smb.fs.loglevel: 0
L net.smb.fs.tcprcvbuf: 131072
L net.smb.fs.tcpsndbuf: 131072
L net.smb.fs.version: 104000

Hey there,
I believe I'm having the same issue. I'm using Mail.app in 10.5 with a gmail account (IMAP). The issues is that in Tiger we had the IMAP option in the account settings "Advanced" tab to: "Automatically synchronize changed mailboxes." This option appears to be missing, and even more, does not happen in Leopard. What this means is that changes to folders (other than one's that you explicitly open/synchronize manually, will not shows updates in Leopard.
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japamac wrote:
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If you only point to the iTunes file, the software will read it's xml file, which is what hasn't been updated.
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