Mail is marking my "Sent" messages as Junk

Hi--
I've been noticing strange behavior by my junk mail system lately. First it was junking almost everything that came in without telling me.
Now it has taken to marking all my sent messages as junk.
Anybody have a clue?
Thanks,
Tim
Mini Mac OS X (10.4.7) 1 GB Ram

Hi Tim.
This kind of problems are caused by some corruption in one or more of the files used by the junk filter. Try this first:
1. Go to Preferences > Junk Mail and disable junk mail filtering.
2. Quit Mail, then open it again.
3. Go to Preferences > Junk Mail, enable junk mail filtering, and configure it however you wish.
4. Reset the junk filter database (Preferences > Junk Mail > Reset).

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1. Go to Preferences > Junk Mail and disable junk mail filtering.
2. Quit Mail, then open it again.
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