MAIL vs Eudora - "Queing" possible

I've used EURDORA for Mac since 1996 and indeed have every single eMail sent and received since 5 March 1996. Neat!
But it seems time to start using MAIL - but just wondering if:
1. MAIL can open my old Eudora messages (i.e. can I import some- the most recent, for example)
2. DOES MAIL have the ability to "QUEUE" or put messages on "hold" or "in-line" so that I can write 5-6 messages, then send them all at one time? I like this feature, since I often write an eMail, but want time to reflect on it; perhaps other eMails come-in etc.-- So I write eMails from, say, 2-3pm, then send them all at 3pm for example.
Is this possible to do in Apple's MAIL program?
Also-- will there be problems to anticipate when switching from Eudora?
Does MAIL have a "search" and "find" capability like Eudora? (I can search on the word "breakfast" for example in Eudora, and it will take all "IN" folder messages and search each message and show just those that have breakfast in the title or text-- rather fast, too.
Thanks!
Steve
Sunday 15 June 2008

Hi Stephen, Yes, Eudora will import into Mail. Simple to do. Just quit eudora, open mail, select import and follow the clear instructions. Main has something called "drafts" which is similar to Eudora's queue, but has it's only mailbox. The search and find in mail is far superior to eudora. There are some third party extension that you might find helpful with mail too. Just go to versiontracker and hunt around. Best, R.

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Maybe if you tell us what exactly is the problem that you’re trying to solve, instead of focusing on a convoluted “solution” that doesn’t work, we could propose a solution that does...
and very little bad reason to do so
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