Maintain RAW file as per original.

Ref: CS3 / XP PRO:
I open an image in ACR, make adjustments to it.
I open the image in Photoshop, and make a Duplicate.
I close the first image (Not the Copy), and select "NO" for "Do you wish to save changes"
I go back into bridge, and view the RAW file, and though I selected "NO" for changes, the image retains the changes/adjustments made in ACR.
Is there any simple way to return the RAW file to the original state as it appeared prior to ACR adjustments???
The only way I've found to do it is to keep separate files of the original RAW files on another drive.
Leigh

>Is there any simple way to return the RAW file to the original state as it appeared prior to ACR adjustments???
As mentioned in other posts, when you open a raw file from acr into photoshop the acr-applied adjustments are retained, associated with the raw file. What you need to do is not Open the file from acr into photohsop; rather, Save it from acr then Cancel out of acr:
Open raw file in acr, make desired adjustments, then click on Save Image. This will bring up a save dialog where you can select the file image format and where to save it. After saving the new image file, click Cancel to exit acr without retaining the changes you just made in acr. Then you can open your saved image file (tiff, psd, jpeg) into photoshop.

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[I use PS CS3 (Although I have access to CS4) and an intel imac]
I want to keep my RAW files unadulterated, in the state that they were shot, so that I can return to them at a later date to 'play' again, with a fresh point of view. However, when I open Bridge, i see they have the icon on them indicating that changes have been applied to them. I don't need the RAW files with the changes, I already have the jpgs and tiffs that i created from them.
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Hi
I just upgraded to Photoshop Elements 6 and installed Camera Raw. I’m taking RAW photos since some time so I hope this will improve my workflow.
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I understand what a RAW file is and I think I understand what a DNG file is.
Is there a reference document more specific than the Help files?
I found out by myself a couple of stuff but I’m not quite sure I guessed correctlt and I have some questions here. Maybe they are answered some place.
1. The RAW file is never modified (by any soft that I know of actually). Right?
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2.1. Yet creating a DNG file is optional. I have a Canon camera so my RAWs are in CR2 format which is widely supported and since I’m just an amateur photographer I don’t need to go for DNGs. Right? Or I could just trash the CR2 files without losing anything. Right?
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3.3. The Undo function with Camera Raw goes only one step backward. Right?
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I made this as direct as I could . Here are the facts:
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                        2. I utilized the Mac OS folder structure for managing my originals . Import to the Mac folder structure independent of LR.
                        3. I import into LR using the reference the files without moving.
                        4. It is clear that any processing done in LR including the use of camera profiles,develop settings and meta data are written back into the original DNG.    With other raw formats the information is written into a .xmp.
                        5. It is unclear if the raw file itself has been altered as some individuals are reporting that the raw file itself has been processed using the profile available.   Other programs recognize the dng as a processed version and will not apply a camera profile.
This has significant implications for workflow and backup processes and it certainly doesn t fit with the non destructive benefit?? of LR.

On Mon, Nov 2, 2009 at 7:38 AM, Roger Dunham <[email protected]> said:
For your answer to be relevant ..it has to consider the specific situation the OP is trying to work through.   Getting answers like ......LR is handling it correctly the problem is the 3rd party software , or maybe switch to a D3x ,or look at the DNG with a fully DNG compliant viewer....show a fundamental lack of understanding of the problem.
Here's an equivalent analogy: you are using MS Office 2007 to write
out documents, and it is saving them in it's DOCX format (the latest
revision to the Word DOC format). Then you are trying to open them
with a word processor that only understands the older DOC format, and
not the newer DOCX.
The complaints were the same then, too.
The problem is that the 3rd party software is not as update as the
other. The problem is in mixing software software packages with
differing levels of support for what you want to do. Yes, it sucks
when you get bitten by such mis-understandings. We do sympathize.Yes,
some of us have been bitten by the same sorts of incompatibilities
(with other software packages). But you're going about this completely
in the wrong way.
Are you also being this assertive on C1 forums, demanding that they
upgrade the DNG support to maintain compatability with the latest
revision of DNG? Or including warnings when they import a new revision
of DNG, that C1 doesn't support it?
Because it certainly seems that you want Adobe to change the way their
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as possible, If that's what you want, then the changes should come
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file should be readable by all software the same? If so, then
shouldn't the other manufacturers be pressured to move forward, just
as much as Adobe should be pressured to maintain backward
compatibility?
Asking me to prove that the situation exists are insulting.
Asking for documented examples is not insulting; it's standard
practice when tracking down a bug. I've worked with enough software
developers over the years (I'm a network administrator) to know that.
You're so absolutely convinced that you are right, and Adobe wrong,
that you are not willing to do that. Perhaps if you did, then Adobe
could identify specifically what areas cause the problem, and perhaps
issue a patch, just for those areas. But you're not willing to help,
in that way.

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1..is there any thing that can reset to keep the original file size?
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Why does it bother you that file sizes change depending on the format?
[email protected] wrote:
I am looking at the file size in the left corner. If I do a save. My raw file as shot with a d800 is 34 MB now saving it as a tif and using LZW it is 176 MB. The files are all 16 bit and I am shooting in 12 bit from the camera .
A raw file with 12 bits per pixel is certainly going to be smaller than one with 48 bits per pixel (which is what a 16 bit RGB file really is). As has been mentioned various formats do various kinds of compression which may be more or less effective depending on image content..
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I have accidentally deleted a large number of develped images in Lightroom before I did a backup. I reimported the original raw files back into Lightroom hoping the develop settings would be re-established but no luck. Notice system mau have done an auto-backup as have an lrcat-journal file. Can I use this to restore my develop settings. I also have jpgs generated from all the deleted images.

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