Making a bootable back up of OS X 10.2.8

hi. im trying to help my sister to upgrade to 10.4 from 10.2.8 on an original eMac. i have a Tiger install DVD, which i'm hoping will go swimmingly and make this post not needed.
however, i would like to have a backup of the 10.2.8 system in case i have a problem or the system can't handle Tiger and I have to revert.
anyone know a good way of doing this, preferably all with OS X and not any 3rd party apps that i'd have to pay for?
right now i'm making a sparse image to an external HDD, will i be able to restore the old system with this?
or if Tiger installs fine, will i be able to archive and install with the Jaguar disc to go back to 10.2?
thanks

If the external hard disk drive is enclosed in a FireWire box with self-powered circuitry
and that, being out of necessity, an Oxford-type chipset, then you may be able to boot
OS X, clone and reinstall (re-clone) backup and so on from there to a computer & back.
You could probably use +an older version+ of Bombich's *Carbon Copy Cloner* available
from the CCC site's older version page: http://www.bombich.com/software/files/ +and note+
+the file .dmg there named cccloner-2.3.dmg+ - that's the suggested version for 10.2+10.3.
{ For newer OS X versions, see main CCC site: http://www.bombich.com/index.html }
{Also, the Disk Utility in the Mac OS X can be used to make a Disk Image, and that can be
of the system, & it is possible to restore from this kind of system .dmg. - I have not done it.}
If the externally enclosed drive in FireWire housing is formatted correctly for Mac OS X
and is partitioned, you could put a different OS X version and its Apps on one partition
and another OS X version and its Apps on another. Some applications won't work in a
later version OS, and some system version specific files should never be mixed up.
There also may be an +older version+ of a disk interface utility such as OnyX by Titanium
Software, that can help keep things in running order in several ways. +A specific link for+
+OnyX Jaguar 10.2.x only+: http://pagesperso-orange.fr/joel.barriere/dl/102/OnyX_1.3.1.dmg.gz
{ Later versions, for newer OS X systems: http://www.titanium.free.fr/pgs/english/apps.html }
*If the computer you intend on attempting to upgrade to Tiger 10.4.x is not ready for the newer*
*OS X & the minimum hardware specifications, then it may be well to learn of those limits first.*
• Apple - Support - Mac OS X 10.4 Tiger:
http://www.apple.com/support/tiger/
• Mac OS X 10.4: System Requirements (minimum)
http://support.apple.com/kb/HT1514
You could match the ability of your intended upgrade to the computer by checking backward
from the Model and series specifications, to see if they are capable of running the later OS.
• Apple Macintosh Computer Specs + Apple Display Specs (not an Apple Inc site)
http://www.everymac.com/systems/apple/index.html
• MacTracker: download Specification database
for offline use, free from: http://mactracker.ca
In any event, have fun...
Good luck & happy computing!
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