Managing Mail: Apple Mail vs. Thunderbird

Like many people, I have a growing concern about the privacy of my personal data contained in online webmail services.
Managing my mail locally on my Mac was a huge project for me, involving integrating tens of thousands of emails back to 2001. Mail was from gmail, yahoo, and many years of Outlook PST files.
As I retrieved Gmail's messages back to 2004 using Apple Mail and archived them in Mail, I noticed problems with duplicates. After lots of research I found that there isn't a good method to deal with the duplicate problem in Lion Apple Mail. Apple Mail hides duplicate messages in the background. You can't see them easily, and there is no tool or add-on allowing users to search and destroy them (see discussion). Frustrating if you are managing massive mailbox archives.
I did find a very satisfactory solution to eliminating the duplicates: stop using Apple Mail and switch to Thunderbird.
I had never used Thunderbird before, there's still lots that I like better in the Apple Mail interface. But Thunderbird is light-years more flexible in managing email than is Apple Mail, largely because Thunderbird is an open platform with excellent Add-ons available. Not so for Lion Apple Mail, which is for all intents and purposes a closed platform.
Thunderbird has an add-on: http://bit.ly/tbirdimportexport available to quickly import your Apple Mail to Thunderbird.
Once that is done, the nifty Remove Duplicate Messages Add On provides a very flexible, quick way to get rid of duplicates - see http://bit.ly/tbird-dups. You can adjust the rules as you wish, for example identifying messages that have the same "From" and which have the same line count.
Now that the project is complete, I'm very happy with Thunderbird to manage my email archives. Though I actually would prefer the Lion Apple Mail interface for day to day use, it just isn't flexible enough.
Ah, the things we do for privacy these days!

The best thing about Thunderbird e-mail is that you can bounce an e-mail.
That feature was removed from Apple Mail with 10.7

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I cannot send or receive on Mail or Thunderbird

I have an ATT DSL wireless account and I followed all the steps in setting up my email with both Mail 3.5 and Thunderbird 2.0.0.16. I keep getting messages that the SMTP has timed out or in the case of Thunderbird it doesn't recognize the STMP. I use port 995 for incoming and port 465 for outgoing.
I would think that if I can't get setup on Mail then I should be able to get setup with Thunderbird.
What am I doing wrong? When I called ATT for help they told me to call Apple. You think I need to talk directly with Apple for merely setting up email?

I reset the preference on both Mail and Thunderbird per your suggestion. I got this message on Mail when I hit 'Get Mail' :
Alert
There may be a problem with the mail server or network. Check the settings for account “Fast Access DSL” or try again.
The server error encountered was: The connection to the server “fpostoffice.isp.att.net” on port 995 timed out.
This is the message I kept getting on Mail when I set it up and began resetting the account
Thunderbird just flagged a message saying that connection to fpostoffice.isp.att.net has timed out. That is also the message I've been getting all along.
Anything else I need to check? I appreciate your help, thank you.

Can't send FIOS/Yahoo e-mail using Thunderbird

I've seen other posts about this but cannot find anything that helped.
I'm trying to set up Thunderbird to send e-mail using my new FIOS/Yahoo e-mail address which is [email protected] The ISP on the computer from which I am trying to send is Verizon FIOS. I can receive e-mails in Thunderbird but cannot send.
I have tried both using SMTS outgoing.verizon.net and outgoing.yahoo.verizon.net. For incoming I had to use incoming.yahoo.verizon.net and it works.
I've tried using Port 25 and Port 587.
I've input my username both with and without the @verizon.net
For "Secure Connection" I've tried all choices: No, TLS, if available, TLS and SSL.
Whenever I try to send an e-mail it usually asks for my password twice and after inputting it the second time I get a version of this message:
The message could not be sent because connecting to SMTP server outgoing.verizon.net failed. The server may be unavailable or is refusing SMTP connections. Please verify that your SMTP server setting is correct and try again, or else contact your network administrator.
Any advice? Thanks.
Solved!
Go to Solution.

somegirl wrote:
1. Change your server to outgoing.yahoo.verizon.net - This is the correct outbound server for Verizon Yahoo accounts.
2. Make sure the setting for "outgoing server requires authentication" is selected. - It should auth with your vz username and password
If you are still having trouble, post the error. (The error you've posted here is for the wrong server.)
Well, I had already done those things before. The message I got when I tried is:
An error occurred while sending mail. The mail server responded: From address not verified - see http://help.yahoo.com/l/us/yahoo/mail/original/manage/sendfrom-07.html. Please verify that your email address is correct in your Mail preferences and try again.
I had input the email address without the @verizon.net extension. That's exactly how I input it in the pop3 set-up for receiving e-mail and it works there.
So I went to the link that is referenced in the error message. It basically had me go to my Yahoo mail account page. I was directed to add an account with a different email address. A verification code was then sent to me via email that I then had to input into the new account's setup page in order to activate my Yahoo mail for smtp use. Once I input the code and validated I was then able to send e-mails just fine with Thunderbird. I was able to use my @verizon.net email address and not the new account I had created.
Bottom line - I had to activate/validate my account before I could send email. I had not read about this anywhere when trying to figure out what was wrong.

Importing Windows Outlook 2007 email to Mac Mail using Thunderbird Workaround Looses Some Messages

After being away from using a Mac for 5 years I'm back with an iMac.
I found this workaround to import Outook 2007 emails to Mac Mail using Thunderbird on the PC http://www.trickyways.com/2010/08/how-to-transfer-emails-from-outlook-to-apple-m ail/
On the PC Thunderbird imports all my Outlook messages correctly and all are there.
Then when I import the resulting Thunderbird mailboxes to Mac Mail some messages are being lost. The directory structure for my mail folders imports correctly, just that some messages are missing.
There are earlier posts here saying Eudora Mailbox Cleaner worked for people but this wont run on Mountain Lion.
So has anybody got any ideas on how the get all my Outlook e-mails to the Mac without losing anything?
What about software like Outlook2Mac, does it work fully or will I still have the same issue of some lost mail?
Can't believe I am having this problem migrating Window to Mac, you'd think it would work perfectly and not put people off from switching.
Cheers.

Okay I slept on it and had a brain wave.
I set up iCloud Mail on Outlook 2007. Then copy messages from my Outlook Inbox to iCloud Inbox.
On the Mac copy the messages from iCloud Inbox to a folder On My Mac so they never get lost if I delete the iCloud account.
Playing about with it and it seems to work fine. Any reason why it could cause issues?
I love it when a workaround comes together!

Mail.app will not send (att) mail. Web mail and Thunderbird can send.

Mail.app will not send (att) mail. Web mail and Thunderbird can send.

I'm having the exact same problem on my iMac. I can receive email from imap.mail.yahoo.com, but cannot receive from smtp.mail.yahoo.com. I have not changed these settings in years and as of a few days ago they stopped working. These settings work fine on my iPhone and iPad.
So far I have:
-Deleted accounts and reestablished them
-Deleted the Mail preference file ->com.apple.mail.plist

I added Roadunner email on my iP 5c today, now I can't get mail on Thunderbird on my PC!

I decided that I wanted my home email to appear on my iPhone 5c. So I added the Time Warner Cable (TWC) Roadrunner account to my iPhone 5c, now I cannot get my mail on my Thunderbird Browser. I can go online and get mail from the Webmail.kc.rr.com but not from my TB browser.
If I delete my TWC account from my iPhone, I get mail on Thunderbird again. I NEED both. Help.

Hello bookwyrm42,
It sounds like your Mail app is just closing on you when you try and read your email no matter what you do. I would start by quitting the Mail app outright:
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Attaching files crashes Mac Mail and Thunderbird

Just upgraded from Mountain Lion to Mavericks 10.9.3 on a 2012 Mac Mini 4 core. When attempting to add an attachment to an email, both Mac Mail and Thunderbird start with the spinning beachball and never recover. Force Quit is the only option. Even after that, the Finder has strange screen artifacts left over from Mail (attach file dialog box) and Finder must be relaunched as well.
Dragging and dropping files works okay with Mac Mail. This option does not exist when using Thunderbird, so no workaround available for that App. Also, Mac Mail only gets stuck when attempting to attach files on the desktop. Files from other locations attach OK.
Already tried Repair Permissions, Repair Disk, Reinstalled Mavericks with no change. For now, I have gone back to Mountain Lion since this is a deal breaker, even though everything else seems to work ok (except for the occasional brief spinning beach ball).

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7. Launch the built-in Terminal application in any of the following ways:
☞ Enter the first few letters of its name into a Spotlight search. Select it in the results (it should be at the top.)
☞ In the Finder, select Go ▹ Utilities from the menu bar, or press the key combination shift-command-U. The application is in the folder that opens.
☞ Open LaunchPad. Click Utilities, then Terminal in the icon grid.
Click anywhere in the Terminal window and paste by pressing command-V. The text you pasted should vanish immediately. If it doesn't, press the return key.
8. If you see an error message in the Terminal window such as "syntax error," enter
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If you're not logged in as an administrator, you won't be prompted for a password. The test will still run. It just won't do anything that requires administrator privileges.
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to appear. If you don't see it within half an hour or so, the test probably won't complete in a reasonable time. In that case, close the Terminal window and report the results. No harm will be done.
11. When the test is complete, quit Terminal. The results will have been copied to the Clipboard automatically. They are not shown in the Terminal window. Please don't copy anything from there. All you have to do is start a reply to this comment and then paste by pressing command-V again.
At the top of the results, there will be a line that begins with "Model Identifier." If you don't see that, but instead see a mass of gibberish, you didn't wait for the "Process completed" message to appear in the Terminal window. Please wait for it and try again.
If any private information, such as your name or email address, appears in the results, anonymize it before posting. Usually that won't be necessary.
12. When you post the results, you might see the message, "You have included content in your post that is not permitted." It means that the forum software has misidentified something in the post as a violation of the rules. If that happens, please post the test results on Pastebin, then post a link here to the page you created.
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Want to delete mails from Thunderbird but not from the server?

Hi,
Please tell me how to configure the settings of Thunderbird so that if i delete any mail from Thunderbird that mail would be delete only from Thunderbird not from server. I'm using IMAP configuration for all my mail accounts and I'm using Thunderbird in my laptop and tablet both.
Currently i'm using Thunderbird 24.4.0 and i just want to delete my useless mails from Thunderbird but not from the server without using pop-3 settings.
Actually the reason for this Question arises because whenever i use to uninstall and reinstatement Thunderbird, i use to take "profiles" as a back up and its size is increasing day by day that is making a big issue to me as i cant take a back up of such a big size file.

Imap mail accounts keep the emails on the server and you see a remote view of those emails and folders.
When you subscribe to see a folder, the headers are downloaded, when you select an email to read, the entire folder is downloaded to a temp cache facilitating quicker access. If you synchronize folders, then a copy of that folder is downloaded to an mbox file in your profile, so that you have a copy of the server folder. When you make any changes to a synchronized folder, read an email, delete or move etc, then Thunderbird will resynchronize with the server to update the server. A synchronized folder allows you to work in 'offline' mode and this is the best time to perform a backup as you know there is a temporary stop on synchronizing as you are offline. They will resynchronize when you go back into 'online' mode.
So, with IMAP mail accounts, the folders you see in Thunderbird are the same folders on the webmail server. If you make any changes via Thunderbird or webmail then you are changing the same folder. You cannot delete an email without deleting it from the server, they are one and the same.
What you can do is move/copy an email into Local Folders and delete the one on the server. The Local Folders emails are kept in your Profile on your computer, these folders/emails are not on the server, unless you chose to keep a copy of them on the server.
Pop mail accounts cannot see the folders on the server. They only access the server Inbox folder and download emails not previously downloaded to the mail account Inbox in Thunderbird. These emails are kept on your computer in your profile folder. You can select to keep a copy on the server or not. You can choose to delete emails off your computer and off the server or not.
If the mail account is gmail , have you subscribed or even synchronized to see the 'All Mail' folder ? Gmail's all Mail folder is their Archive folder, it keeps a copy of all of your non-deleted emails. So, you do not need to subscribe to see this folder as it only shows you what you can already see in other folders. It doubles the disc space.
Please read section on 'All Mail' at this link.
* http://kb.mozillazine.org/Using_Gmail_with_Thunderbird_and_Mozilla_Suite
You do not have to download/synchronize the entire folder. You could select to only synchronize the most recent xx days of emails.
see info here:
* https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/imap-synchronization#w_configuring-synchronization-and-disk-space-usage

How do I import email and contacts from windows 8 mail to thunderbird

Hi there,
I have Windows 8 and have been using the Windows 8 mail app. However, it is very basic so I am keen to switch to Thunderbird. However, I cannot find a way to import my mail, folders and contacts to Thunderbird from Windows 8 Mail.
There seems to be no export option on Windows 8 Mail. Thunderbird has an Import option but this is not able to locate the Windows 8 mail files.
There doesn't appear to be answer to this question in the forums. Can anyone help?
Thanks,
Mark

The Win 8 Mail app is usually associated with a hotmail/live/outlook.com account, so to access it with TB, set it up as an IMAP account:
https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/questions/998184#answer-566746
To import the contacts, open the account from the web page, export the contacts as a csv file, and follow the instructions here:
https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/questions/1012084#answer-607601
http://kb.mozillazine.org/Hotmail
Since hotmail/outlook accounts automatically copy sent messages to the Sent folder, uncheck "Place a copy in.." under Tools/Account Settings/hotmailaccount/Copies & Folders.

I can't send an e-mail from thunderbird, it was working well, suddenly it says the following message:An error occurred while sending mail. The mail server respo

i can't send an e-mail from thunderbird, it was working well though , suddenly it says the following message:An error occurred while sending mail. The mail server responded An error occurred while sending mail. The mail server responded: (Alis-MacBook-Air.local) [46.138.187.135]:51054 is currently not permitted
OR
i have changed the port from 587 to 465 but still cannot send e-mail, it keep sending and sending for 5 minutes and respond is time out?

Can you post your Troubleshooting Information?
Help (Alt-H) - Troubleshooting Information

Can't send e-mail with Thunderbird on Win8 out of server

Hello,
I have problem sith sending mails from Thunderbird. I have new computer with Win 8.
On Outlook everything works fine. On previous op system thunderbird worked fine.
Now I can recive all e-mails.
I can send emails within server.
I can't send mails to adresses outside the server. gmail, hotmail or whatever addresses.
I have tried to send messages to several addresses. Outgoing server settings are the same as other computers.
Error message:
5.7.1
<[email protected]>: Relay access denied.
Please send answer to [email protected]

No.
I'am sendig email from domain A using SMTP belonging to domain A.
The emails that's addressis is the same as senders (@grader.ee) are going out. But all others don't.
If there is wrong outgoing SMTP server even those emails can't send.

Set-up custom font, font size, and color for writing new and reply e-mails in Thunderbird

I know that I can select the font, size, and color for writing each new and reply e-mails in Thunderbird, but I don't want to have to do this each time. I want to set-up the default font, size, and color for all new and reply e-mails. It already comes up with a default one, but I want to change it, but can't figure out how to do this. I'm sure it is quite simple, but I don't know how to do this. Thank you in advance for help.

Tools > Options > Display > Formatting tab
Default font: select font
Select size : eg; 14
Click on 'Advanced' button and set all the sizes to 14
Select : 'allow messages to use other fonts'
click on OK
Click on 'Composition'
Under the 'General' tab
Suggest you set HTML font to 'Variable width' and Size : 'Medium'
Select the 'Text colour' you would like to compose email using
Select the 'Background colour' you would like to use when composing emails.
click on OK to save all changes.
This will set the display email list to the selected font.
It will allow received emails to use the font the sender used.
When you compose an email it will also use the same font settings.
The message 'Display' settings in the above section also apply to messages that you compose. The settings are not sent, so they do not affect how your messages appear to recipients.
The settings in the ''Composition' section can affect how messages are sent. If you make unusual choices, then people who receive messages from you might find them difficult or impossible to read. Hence, why I suggest you leave it as 'Variable width' and allow the 'Display' settings to set the default used for composing emails.
More info:
* http://kb.mozillazine.org/Font_settings_in_Thunderbird

If i delete mail in G-mail than automatically delete in Thunderbird, How can I prevent from this there is any solution to remain mail in thunderbird?

If i delete mail in G-mail than automatically delete in Thunderbird, How can I prevent from this there is any solution to remain mail in thunderbird?

If you have a gmail IMAP mail account, you need to understand tht you are remotely viewing the server folders, so basically the folders you see in Thunderbird are the same folders you see when you use webmail - (logon to google account via browser).
If you want to delete emails off the server, but keep those specific emails accessible in Thunderbird, then you need to move/copy them from the Thunderbird IMAP gmail mail account and store them in Local Folders account in suitably created folders before you delete them from the IMAP mail account.

How can I migrate Vista Mail to Thunderbird when Vista Mail has no export function?

I understand TB can directly import .eml messages and folders when they are exported correctly, but Windows Mail in Vista has no export facility. And the third-party TB add-on ImportExport Tools doesn't even list Windows Mail in its import window.
The first line of TB's "Switching from Windows Mail or Windows Live Mail to Thunderbird" instruction page is a showstopper because it says: "In order to export messages from Windows Mail or Windows Live Mail to Thunderbird, you must export messages from the Windows application and import them into Thunderbird." How does one force Vista Mail to export mail so TB can import it?

I have never seen the vista mail. But I have seen dialogs like this in my copy of windows live mail http://www.vistax64.com/tutorials/90298-windows-mail-messages.html Don't you have them in Vista?

All email links have stopped working from both Windows Mail and Thunderbird. It is probably caused by a recent update to Firefox. How can I sort this?

It was OK until a few days ago but now no links work in either Thunderbird or Windows Mail. I have changed nothing so I can only assume that this is another case of an update changing things without my knowledge.
Links within web pages still work. Firefox is the default browser and we have been using Windows Mail and Thunderbird (gmail and googlemail) for at least a couple of years on this computer.

Open your firewall program. First check the settings. Make sure that the
program is set to tell you if a new program wants access to the web. Then
go to the list of programs the firewall has. Make sure that all the programs
you want to access the web are set to '''ALLOW'''. If it is set to '''AUTO''', the
firewall may not allow access.
This problem occurs when your Internet security program was set to trust the
previous version of Firefox, but no longer recognizes your updated version as
trusted. Now how to fix the problem: To allow Firefox to connect to the Internet
again: 
* Make sure your Internet security software is up-to-date (i.e. you are running the latest version) 
* Remove Firefox from your program's list of trusted or recognized programs, then add it back. For detailed instructions, see Configure firewalls so that Firefox can access the Internet.

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