Manipulating Copied Audio Regions

Here's what I am unsuccessfully trying to do...
I want to be able to cut and/or copy several regions of audio that is on track one and paste those regions anywhere I want into track two but in a way that it doesn't effect track one's original audio file.
I can successfully split track one into slices and copy some of these slices into track two. But if I try to move or change the length of these copies it also changes the regions of the audio on track one! I know there has to be a simple (or another) way to do this but I can't figure it out. What's worse is I am out of town on the road and I didn't bring my manuals with me. I can't find the answer in the help manual either so I thought I'd ask for help here.
Thanks in advance,
Greg
FWIW, I personally am loving Logic 8 and since coming from Logic 3 through 5 (PC) I can say also that I really like the re-designed interface.

Bee Jay wrote:
Note that you don't have to convert regions to new audio files unless you want to do independent destructive processing to them. Depending on your workflow/requirements, mostly copying regions without creating new audio will cover 90 per cent of your needs...
Yea, good point. I just assumed "destructive editing" when I initially read the post. But option/drag will work just fine simply for resizing a copy of a region, or using a part of a copied region else where in the song, without affecting the original region, even though it's referencing the same audio file.

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http://argohoo.com/Kuvat/logic_comp.jpg
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A dumb question but I'm having trouble figuring out...how do I copy and paste automation data in audio regions? When I copy and paste an audio region I like, it pastes down the selected region but without the automation data with it. I've been rewriting the automation data every time to the newly-pasted region but I'm sure there's a simple way to do this. I've looked through the various help files but still am struggling to find the procedure. Any advice is welcome and thank you.
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OK, for viewers of this topic I figured this out myself. There are two lines in the reference manual that pertain but even they were a little confusing. They read:
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Hi Rikard,
Beforehand, forgive me for any overexplaining I might do. In case of underexplaining, just ask.
200 regions in a row? On one track, right?
1) If so, you could simply merge all the audio regions into one fixed file. Select all regions on the track and hit the '=' shortcut. Logic will tell you that it is gonna make a new file. This new file you can then import into the other project. Audio (not loop) files are independent of Logic's tempo. It is just that the bar division doesn't line up with the tempo anymore. But if that is not a problem...
Also I do not understand why the new project is at 120 bpm? Is there a reason for that, other than that it is the default value when opening an empty project? If not, just set it to the 77 something of the old project. If there is already stuff in your new project and now you want to add your 200-region audio, use method 1). If you change the tempo, two thing change: the tempo of any mioditrack, and the time between audio regions. The audio regions itself will not change.
regards, Erik.

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*Question One:*
It sounds like the Regions you are editing are Clones.
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AAAA!!!!
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when i was recording guitar overdubs, i dragged the audio regions over to make room for a guitar intro, but i didn't select all the other overdubs...oops.
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I discovered new details to the weirdness . . .
It seems, in the few projects that I relocated audio, that the affected regions cannot be played back unless I move them to another audio track. What??? For example, the vocal track in one song, which is all set up with its plugins and such as Audio Track 2, will produce no sound unless I drag it to another audio track, say Audio Track 3 or 4. It is bonkers!! What the heck is that about?
This is what happened in all of the projects affected by my source audio rearrangement. Sure, I could easily just copy my channel strip settings to a new track, relocate my audio region to it, and hope all goes well thereforth, but I would much rather get to the root of this oddity so it doesn't somehow buck me later.
What do you think it could be?
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I welcome any and all objective suggestions! I am feeling just the slightest bit overwhelmed by this odd behavior.
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(i checked, but did not see that the tracks were muted in anyway, including the region itself)

I figured something out that might tell someone what I did to screw things up!
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In the Arrangement , id like to be abl to enlarge audio regions , so they fit in the length i need , but im not speaking about timestretching .
I explain myself : I have many short audio files in my arrangement . To be able to manipulate easily these regions , i want to enlarge them so they fit in the bars or in the loop , then i can just copy them or move them accurately . this is useful for un quantised region , wich can be a little difficult to move and copy .
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than in advance

hi dup -- I think this will fix your problem:
1 - Slice off ( with the scissors tool) a bit of any audio region that already exists, copy it (apple C) and then paste it a little way away from your original audio region(OAR) on the same track. Then rejoin your original piece of audio region.
2 - Place the Song Position Line ( SPL) exactly where you want the new audio region (NAR) to start. Let us say it is at bar beginning of bar 3 or if you are using time code 3seconds.
3 - Select your snipped bit of new audio region(NAR) and using the key command 'Catch Clock' - the audio region will snap right up against the SPL. ( Make sure OAR is not selected or it will also move ..which you dont want )
4 - Now select the NAR and go to the Audio menu and find the command Convert Region to New Audio File. This will turn the NAR into its own independent piece of new audio.
5 - Double click on the NAR - the Sample Editor will open. Go to Function and select the command for Silence. This will turn the NAR into a completely silent lump of audio.
6 - Now you have a Silent lump of audio ( NAR) and your old region(OAR) from which it originally came from. Select both and use the command for Merge. ( This default key command is sometimes J)
7 - A box will come up which says something about 'non contiguous regions.. do you want to create a new audio file?'
The answer is YES
Here is a sort of diagram:
{NAR} {OAR}
becomes
{NAR++OAR}
The piece above which says Original Region will have your audio sound.. but NAR and all the new stuff in between.... + will be as Wm Shakespeare said "the rest is silence"
Message was edited by: musicspirit

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Editing audio regions

I have two questions regarding editing audio regions that I had difficulty with. After referring to the quick start manual and the manual on the help menu, I was unsure how to proceed.
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for Q1, well there are a few approaches for editing audio. an easy way is to copy/paste the audio to the area on the arrange page you want it to be. double click it to open the audio edit window, then use the little in/out points at the left and right bottom corners respectively (they look like little triangles). move these points to the start/end point of the section of audio you want. you can make these points very precise. at this point you may want to go to the FILE drop down menu and 'save the selection as....', name it and add to audio window. then it will be named here to be re-used/edited without affecting the original audio. if you want to cut within a waveform, you can apply little fade in/outs to stop any clicking. remember any edits you make to your original pieces of audio are usually permanent, so always worth copying and renaming patches you are editing.
hope this helps, as i say, there are so many ways to edit audio, so i'm sure another user will give you some different advice. the more you experiment, the more you'll find little ways to do things.
as long as you have copies of the audio you are editing, just play around with it, untill you discover things...thats the best way.
good luck

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