Master role & Derived role concept

Hi Friends ,
We have master and drive role concept in our project . ABC_XXXX (Master role ) ABC_1000(Derived role) (1000= company code)
Now we need to maintain some values in master roles lets say display :03 . Should we regenrate deived role as well ?
If we regenrate derived role , Do inhertiance relatioship breaks? and we need to maintain company code =1000 value again ?
Please suggest.
regards

Forgot to answer some more questions you had asked. Adding them here:
Now we need to maintain some values in master roles lets say display :03 . Should we regenrate deived role as well ?
- use the steps I mentioned in my earlier reply to re-generate derived roles from the Master role.
If we regenrate derived role , Do inhertiance relatioship breaks?
- please use the steps I suggested, the inheritance will not break. And this is an advantage of Master-->derived role.thats the meaning of having this concept in SAP.
and we need to maintain company code =1000 value again ?
--- No you dont need to. (you can check and see this manually).
Hope it helps...
Soumya
Edited by: Soumya Thomas on May 20, 2010 12:34 PM
Edited by: Soumya Thomas on May 20, 2010 12:35 PM

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