Match Frame for Subclips

So after I make a sub-clip from a piece of media, and having it in the source monitor try to match frame to it's parent clip, I don't know and can't find a command to do this. Help, and thanks in advance.

Hey Kevin (and other community users)
I feel that this feature is extremely important to fix. I had conversations with Adobe representatives over two years ago about this problem and I think it is astonishing that it is not yet sorted.
In tandem with my career as a film & TV editor, I teach Avid MC and Premiere Pro for Soho Editors in London, and when conversations start amongst professional editors about how seriously we can take Adobe Premiere Pro in high-end work, this issue causes stunned reactions from other editors. The idea that there currently is no way to return the source monitor to showing the master clip (original source file) from a sub-clip on the timeline, is shocking. It is a stand out example of a single area in which PPro does not function in a manner befitting of a professional edit suite.
The only work-around that I currently teach, is to use the Metadata tab to show the file properties of the clip in the source monitor. Using this technique, at least an editor can find the audio and video components that made a sub-clip, prior to a merge operation or simple sub-clip creation.
It is simply an essential operation of a software edit suite, that one can return to the exact location and timecode of an original clip, no matter how many layers of sub-clipping have occurred. From the timeline, a match frame operation should return you to the subclip in the source monitor, then when the operation is repeated, it should return you to the master clip.
I urge everyone involved with the development of Premiere to fix this as the highest priority.
Thank you.

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Match frame a subclip

how can you match frame a subclip with one keystroke back to the source material? It seems like when you make a subclip, it loses relationship with source clip. I can easily match frame to source of a raw clip, why not a subclip?
macbook pro Mac OS X (10.4.6)

Because, in FCP's clip paradigm, a subclip becomes a master clip.
I take it you don't want to do the whole "Remove Subclip Limits" thing?

Match frame from subclip to original full clip?

Can anybody tell me if it is possible to match frame from a subclip to the original full clip? When I match frame from a clip in my timeline that came from a subclip, the subclip loads into the source monitor. I can't find how to then match frame from that back to the original. I am relatively new to Premiere Pro, and this is a very very useful feature over in Avid land.
Thanks.

Thanks for elaborating.
You can achieve at least part of what you describe by making your subclips "soft." To do so at creation-time, in the Make Subclip dialog, uncheck the option "Restrict Trims to Subclip Boundaries." To convert an existing "hard" subclip, access the Edit Subclip dialog (Clip>Edit Subclip, or right-click>Edit Subclip, or define a keyboard shortcut and use that) and uncheck the option.
Soft and hard subclips behave differently in two notable ways:
when you doubleclick a soft subclip in the Timeline, the Source Monitor loads the whole clip. The zoom/scrub bar is zoomed in to the In/Out range of what's used in the sequence, but you can zoom out to view the whole thing. Note that Match Frame does not load the clip in the same way--you're not able to zoom out. However, double-clicking a clip automatic matches frame (if the playhead is over the clip you clicked).
You can trim out beyond the defined Subclip Boundaries, either in the Timeline or Source Monitor.
Now, if you want to create a completely new subclip for a different segment, there's no direct command for that, but it's achievable through a series of steps that you may find easier than restarting from the original master clip. (Almost all of the following commands can be executed via keyboard shortcuts.)
Reveal in Project (from Timeline or Source Mon)
Duplicate
Load the dupe in the Source Monitor
Edit Subclip
Select the option "Convert to Master Clip" checkbox and click OK.
At this point, the whole clip will be loaded in the Source Monitor, zoomed to the subclip's In/Out range but without In/Out points set. You can set new In/Out points, then save a new subclip.
As to why PPro does not maintain a master/sub relationship, I'm afraid I have no clue. I'd say it merits a feature request--both to maintain the link and, naturally, to provide a way to jump from the subclip to the master. You can submit such a request here: http://www.adobe.com/go/wish

How to MATCH FRAME a SUBCLIP back to its ORIGINAL CLIP?

What is the trick here in fcp to matching back into the source clip from which a subclip was made?
Is there a keystroke/button that will locate the master clip?
Thanks.

Hey! In a round-about kinda way, removing sub-clip limits seems to work...have to reload the subclip entry into the viewer window, but at least it shows the rest of the master clip.
Any other ideas out there?

Match Frame broken in Premiere Pro CC?

So match frame works in CS6, but in Premiere Pro CC, there are a couple odd things happening for me. When pressing F the Source panel will exibits any one of a few different behaviors (seems entirely random):
1. A black frame
2. The correct clip, but not the correct (matched) frame.
3. Occassionally the correct (matched) frame (usually only the first time I use Match Frame on any given clip in my sequence). All subsequent Match Frame commands while on the same clip in the sequence will not update to match Source with Program, they'll either stay on the first matched frame for that clip, or go black.
You can still drag the audio (or video) portion from the Source panel to the timeline and it will be the correct portion of audio (or video), but actually "matching" a frame seems broken in Premiere Pro CC (again, it works in CS6).

Right. That much is understood. However, what I'm experiencing is different. I've determined it is only happening to some clips. Others work as intended (as you've described). I wish I had time to get sidetracked today and post a video of what's happening. It'll have to wait until I'm wrapped up with my current multi-cam project (due last week).
I know, I know. My bad for using Premiere Pro CC on a real-world project with a real-world deadline. Lesson learned.
In the mean time, if anyone wants to try reproducing this bug, here's what I know about my footage:
h.264 footage MP4, MOV shot on a Canon EOS 7D. No external audio recorder, just a mic on top of the camera, plugged into the camera.
Most clips work properly with Match Frame. Some do not.
Interestingly, the clips that have the problem are the SAME clips that do not have the problem (once on the timeline, is there a way to tell which is a subclip, merged clip, etc? Probably. No time to investigate. I shouldn't even be spending time writing this post. lol.)
Play around with different clips and subclips of the same clip on the timeline. I believe what I have going is several subclips of the same clip on the timeline. Unless I missed one or two, I've set them all up with "soft" handles (new feature in CC).
Perhaps what is happening in the "black" Match Frame clip is that the Match Frame is saying, "OK, we have a subclip on the timeline that starts at 0 seconds and 14 frames. So then when I do the match frame (of this "soft" subclip) the software is saying, let's find this clip and jump to 00:00:00:14 of the master clip and place it in the Source monitor.
Is this a bug? I'm not sure that's what is happening, but hopefully that gives someone else a starting point to try to reproduce the behavior.
I'll post a video if/when I can.

Match Frame Bug?

OK, this should be so simple. I make a subclip. Then, for whatever reason, I decide I want to look at the master clip, but the subclip has a new name and I don't remember what the master clip is called. I know I can ctrl click on the clip and choose +Show in Finder+ to find out the name of the master clip, but for the life of me, I can't get View>Match Frame>Show Master Clip to point me to the master clip. I just get a system beep. Is this a bug or is there something to this I don't get?
Martin

load the clip into the preview window and click "Remove subclip limits" It will make the subclip a duplicated masterclip with the subclip in and out as the in and out from the masterclip.

Match Frame broken

Match frame does not work. About 90% of the time it will either only load the audio portion of the clip selected, or, not load anything at all.
OSX 10.10.2
PPCC 2014.2

Right. That much is understood. However, what I'm experiencing is different. I've determined it is only happening to some clips. Others work as intended (as you've described). I wish I had time to get sidetracked today and post a video of what's happening. It'll have to wait until I'm wrapped up with my current multi-cam project (due last week).
I know, I know. My bad for using Premiere Pro CC on a real-world project with a real-world deadline. Lesson learned.
In the mean time, if anyone wants to try reproducing this bug, here's what I know about my footage:
h.264 footage MP4, MOV shot on a Canon EOS 7D. No external audio recorder, just a mic on top of the camera, plugged into the camera.
Most clips work properly with Match Frame. Some do not.
Interestingly, the clips that have the problem are the SAME clips that do not have the problem (once on the timeline, is there a way to tell which is a subclip, merged clip, etc? Probably. No time to investigate. I shouldn't even be spending time writing this post. lol.)
Play around with different clips and subclips of the same clip on the timeline. I believe what I have going is several subclips of the same clip on the timeline. Unless I missed one or two, I've set them all up with "soft" handles (new feature in CC).
Perhaps what is happening in the "black" Match Frame clip is that the Match Frame is saying, "OK, we have a subclip on the timeline that starts at 0 seconds and 14 frames. So then when I do the match frame (of this "soft" subclip) the software is saying, let's find this clip and jump to 00:00:00:14 of the master clip and place it in the Source monitor.
Is this a bug? I'm not sure that's what is happening, but hopefully that gives someone else a starting point to try to reproduce the behavior.
I'll post a video if/when I can.

CS6 Match Frame Problem, Sequence Clip vs Source Clip issue

Hey folks.
So, I'm on Windows 7, Premiere Pro CS6.
I've found an issue with Match Frame (Control F), it seems to be acting inconsistently. Sometimes when I double click on a clip in my sequence and hit F it brings up the sequence clip, other times it brings up the source clip (in the Source Monitor)
The problem here is that I'm placing markers on my sequence clips to line them up based on visual cues in the scene. This work fine for a while, but then, seemingly randomly, I'll double click a sequence clip and when I hit F it brings up the source clip, not the sequence clip. Now when I place markers they do not show up in the sequence because I'm marking the source clip not the sequence clip.
Anyone else encounter this? If needed I can try to capture video of this happening.
Thanks all,
~ James

Does this mean that it isn't possible to "Reviel in project", or otherwise locate a merged clip in the project window?
So far "Reveal in project", and "match frame", point to the same subfile of a merged clip... not very useful. What other options are there?
... A sad workaround is to type in the name of the merged file in the search frame at the top of the Project pain.
I guess this one for the feature request list.

Match Frame

New feature: "double-clicking a track item in a sequence will automatically perform a match frame to the playhead position when it is parked on a frame within that item", what this mean?
Hi, i just got the new version CC 2014 in my work and was just wondering whats that feature means, since when i double click a clip in the timeline it won't perform a match frame, will just open the clip in the source monitor.
So what this feature means?
Thanks
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Message was edited by: Jim Simon

since when i double click a clip in the timeline it won't perform a match frame, will just open the clip in the source monitor.
That is what it means. Notice that when you double-click on the clip in the timeline, when it opens in the Source Monitor, it opens on the same frame that is showing under the playhead.

Match Frame in Avid equal to ... in FCP

Hi, All,
When I was using Avid, there was a button called Match Frame. Once I highlighted a clip on the timeline and right-clicked Match Frame in Avid, it would show the clip on Viewer and Browser.
I wonder if FCP has the similar function. The situation is that when I have a clip on timeline and suddenly want to trace back and review the original clip on Viewer, for now, I have to find it from Browser manually. I wonder if there is another faster way in FCP.
Thanks.
King

My advice would be to open the manual and put "match frame" into the search box or look in the index.
FCP is not Avid, whatever that is, and you're going to want to unlearn a bunch of your previous system's shortcuts and workflow routines. Wait till you try media management in FCP! Oy.
Welcome to the family. You're going to love FCP, you're going to hate FCP.
bogeisan

Speed dow, slow motion, match frame

Firts thanks for read my question. So here is my problem I want to slow down a clip but I don't want the clip to move all the other clips, so I read a tutorial about match frame (Final Cut Pro - Speed Changes with Match Frame) so that's what I want but the probelm is that when I do the match frame and replace the clip plays short don't play entirely to my out point. So I would explain my self more cleary supposedly I have a shot of a garage door opening so my in point is the door closed and the out is the door open what happend is if I enter f (match frame) clic on the viewer window comand-j speed change 50% then canvas replace the clip plays at 50% the other clips stay in the same position but the clip only plays until the garage door is half way open.
so is posible to do a speed match frame that play all the clip?
Thanks

I know what you mean, I end up with an extra frame if I set an in and out point then insert/overwrite replace or superimpose.
I find the quickest work flow is to
0. mark the in point at start of clip
1. copy the clip, command c
2. go to the end of the sequence, end
3. paste clip
4. change speed, look at duration of clip, change speed %, command j
5. change duration back to original duration,
6. cut clip from end of time line,
7. return to in point and paste clip.
I find this does give me control over the clip, does not affect the timeline and is frame accurate.
I agree you should be able to change the clip speed without affecting the duration.
The alternative is as Andy described, fit to fill, here is an alternitive way of doing/describing this process;
adjust the out point of the clip to the new point you want,
move the clip out of the space on the timeline where you want the clip with the speed change to go,
place the CTI in the space where you want the new clip to go,
double click on the clip you want to adjust, opening it in the viewer,
drag the clip from the viewer to the canvas and the fit to fill option will appear along with all of the other options,
this will also do what you want, I believe there is no one click solution.
Someone please prove me wrong! I would love to be able to "command j" in to the speed dialog box, click on a check box that says keep duration or in/out points and simply change the duration.
Tony

Match Frame in Multicam

Hello,
i am a proffessional video editor. I use Avid Media Composer for about 12 years.
Two weeks ago i began to try Premiere Pro CS6 and i have a question about the multicam feature.
I can say that you `ve done good work!
Although i need your help.
I needed to use match frame on the sequence so i could find the sourse footage and didnt work...
It always gave me the multicam source frame, but i wanted the original source frame.
Is there any such feature?
Thanks in advance!
Stavros

Interesting... I thought I had a work-around but I just tested it and it doesn't work! Hopefully someone else can expand on this.
I know that the "match frame" will always show the multicam source (not the original clip source) because a multicam sequence is looked at as a nest. What I **thought** (and was wrong) was that by opening the multicam nest in the timeline and performing a "match frame" on that, the original source frame would be found. But it wasn't. In fact, it didn't do anything. Now I'm thinking it was "confused" because thre were (in my test) three video tracks open and enabled. But even if I disabled everything but one track, the "match frame" still didn't work.
One thing that will work (though it's more trouble than it's worth), is to use match frame to locate the timecode in the multiclip and then type that into timecode indicator of the multiclip nest in the Timeline.

Anamorphic match frame issue

Hi,
I am editing in a sequence set to 720 x 480 NTSC DV (3:2) Anamorphic with the Compressor set to DVCPRO50 - NTSC. When I match frame a shot in the timeline it comes up in the Viewer as non-Anamorphic and stays that way when placed in the timeline. I've tried to reset the item properties for the clip in the timeline to Anamorphic, but that doesn't change anything. Any suggestions how to rectify this? Thanks.
Jonathan

I read your thread, and it seems we have similar projects. I just finished logging 5 hours of footage shoot as: field footage was from a Panasonic 900 / 50bits rate / 30 frames / 16x9. I logged this as: anamorphic DVCPRO50. I have not really started editing yet, but it does seem to behave as you described. I don't know if this is normal or not, but if there is some one out there that has some info, this would be great.
Just a thought, are you editing in (White mode)? I have read that its better to use this mode in place of super-white. Not sure of the reasons.
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Match Frame screen not opening

Learning to Edit properly.
I've always used dragging to make every cut.
This because I only create very short movies and AE is my main program.
However, After 15 years it's time to learn NLE functions.
EDIT: I made a mistake, the function I need isn't called Match Frame but Trim.
I'll keep the old message below, until I solved all questions regarding the keyboard shortcuts.
I want to:
A. Select a clip on a track.
B. Make it longer at the end using the keyboard.
C. Prevent all other tracks from changing/moving in any way.
I couldn't find that function using the keyboard.
But after pressing F, I got the Match frame function.
This worked fine and did exactly what I needed.
1. It now can't be activated again. Is the function bugged or am I doing it wrong?
2. Can it be done using the keyboard?

Is there a key to select the clip under the indicator?
not that i know of. no. just click on it.
faster alternative:
-doubleclick clip to load to source monitor
-play and hit "i" at desired in-point and "o" ate desired out-point
-overwrite (".") or insert(",") edit clip into sequence (into activated tracks) [at current indicator)
...quicker
also there is no need for the clip to be selected to make the cut with Ctr.+K, the track has to be active.
- Press ctrl K to make a cut at the in point
- Press shift delete to ripple away the stuff before the in point and keep the timeline gap free at all times.
you can also assign shortcuts to:
Ripple Trim Next Edit to Playhead
Ripple Trim Previous Edit to Playhead
- i have them at Shift+K
and AltGr(Ctrl+Alt)+K
i often use those when editing on the fly on the timeline...
if interested, read this:
http://helpx.adobe.com/premiere-pro/using/trimming-clips1.html
for a deeper info on how to trim, ripple edit, slip&slide, use trim mode etc.
also note, that until 5.5 (i think) it was called "current-time indicator" (CTI), they now call it "playhead", but i think not everywhere in the shortcuts and help-files, but they both mean the same thing...

Some questions/findings - Merged Clips, Markers, Match Frame, Source Clips etc

Hi,
Working on my second long form project with CC (1 hour + timelines) and am encountering some problems with merged clips.
Problem 1 - So I do all my markers in a video clip (which can take hours). I add names and copy the names into the markers notes. I then merge the clips (video with sound) and the markers are there but all the notes have gone. This doesn't always happen but it happens enough for me to have been looking for answers as its completely wasted time.
Problem 2 - More variations of lost markers. In some cases I have put markers on sound clips. Merged with video and the markers are there but all names and comments have gone.
Problem 3 - Merged clips - I am sharing the project with another editor (I am PC based and he is Mac based). I set everything up so he has a mirror of my files and folder structure. I send him new edits (timelines) and some merged clips work fine sometimes the audio goes offline. This can also be reversed. He sends me edits and sometimes the merged clips work fine and sometimes the audio disappears. The real problem comes when you have then lost your markers on the video and audio and end up having no idea where the in points are as the match frame doesn't work on merged clips. It only matches the frame on the merged clip and not the source clip.
Problem 4 - Clips going offline but they are online. I get this quite often, mainly with sound (recorded on a zoom recorder - STE-001.wav etc). Quite often it will say the clip is offline so I click to "locate" and it directs me to the file but it has seemingly not linked it. So CC knows where the clip is... I just have to select it and its linked. Why does it come up as offline/locate when it's in exactly the same place it was and the CC path takes me straight to the clip?
What I need to be able to do with merged clips is;
1 - I need to be able to easily get to the source material for each merged clip. Say for example I put a merged clip in a timeline.. and the audio has seemingly gone offline. If I click the audio I would like to go back to the merged clip and then select if I need to go back to the audio or video for said merged clip and for match frame to be frame accurate on the audio and video. I used to live by this in Avid. Reveal in project is great but again it takes me to the merged clip and not the source clips. Surely there is a way to get back to the source clips Audio/Video?
2 - I need to have a way that marker information will not get lost in merged clips... EVER!!! I really can't pinpoint why it happens or when it happens but it happens, too often. Some clips it seems fine and then all of a sudden the info is gone. Once it's gone there's no way of getting it back. I need to be able to 100% save the marker info. Even if it's as a separate word doc or something. A documentary with maybe 20-+ hours of interviews... all logged nicely via markers and then for me to randomly lose marker info is absolutely not up to scratch. PLEASE SORT IT
Finally.... I am still posting in the PP forum. is there not a dedicated CC forum yet? I couldn't find it.. am I missing something? Makes it real hard in Google if I have to go through PP posts as well.
Thanks

This bug is NOT FULLY FIXED. I'm on a tight deadline so i'm not looking very hard online to see if i'm alone - so please forgive me for just posting here...
I'm using CC7.2.1 it's 1/21... very grateful that match frame FINALLY works on merged clips, but, again, this insert/overwrite bug is only PARTIALLY FIXED.
Insert/overwrite with merged clips on 3-point edit now works, but ONLY when cutting in BOTH merged video+audio... if you're just trying to cut in the audio from a merged clip using a 3-point/4-point edit via hotkey, it's a no-go.
I, for example, needed to re-cut in audio under some video with effects on it. So, I unpatched the video source completely and patched source audio tracks 1-4 to the appropriate sequence tracks. Upon hitting insert or overwrite multiple times, nothing responds. The only way to cut anything in from the source (merged clip) was to patch the source video back into the timeline on an unused video track, then cut ALL the tracks from the source in, I then had to delete the video track re-link the now free audio to the original video. Not a big deal, but annoying enough & waste of precious time on tight deadline.
So, yeah, I have a workaround but is still not appropriate to have a core function not work properly. Especially when I'm working with a very complicated timeline.
That said, thanks for keeping on top of our gripes, Mark.

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