Material determination and substitution

Hello All,
I would like to know if the functionality like material determination/substitution is being offered in the byd solution as of now, as far as I know, the byd solution reuses the capabilities of ESR.
Thanks,
Ravish

Hi Christian,
Thanks for posting.
I understand that MD and substitution is offered with Business Suite and ByD is built completely with keeping SME focus.
But, ByD would be using some of available services which can be reused, the 'hat' is new but the functionality would be already available/reusable. (e.g. eSOA etc.)
Is my understanding correct here?
Thanks & regards,
Ravish

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Regarding Material Determination and free goods determination

Hi Gurus,
I understand the Material Determination to be substitution of a new material for the old one for any possible reasons such as sales Campaign,non availability etc.
Could anyone one explain the concept whether material determination and Free good determination can co-exist in a sales order ?
How to substitute by material determination procedure for a free good in a sales order?
Regards,
S.Ravi kumar

Hi.,
We can use material determination and free goods,as per my knowledge material determination takes first and to the swapped material free goods determiination takes place
Award points if helpful
Narayana

SD-Material determination and the ATP

Hi,
IssueNo:1
we are working with the material determination and the ATP .
1. we have created a reason for substiution in th ovrq as below
Reasn             ZATP
Description     Autom.mat.selection
Entry
Warn
AvCh dep.     X
Strategy
Outcome             B
Category
2.we have the material determination as below
Material entered :INT1_AUTOLITE
Alternate materials:
INT1_AUTOLITE
INT1_FRAM
In this we have the INT1_FRAM material marked for the mrp.
3.The above are the config and the master data ,
4.In the above setting the material is replaced as subitem and all the ATP is done correctly as per the checking group and the scope ofthe check
5.When we change the setting for the reason for substiution as below
Reasn             ZATP
Description     Autom.mat.selection
Entry
Warn
AvCh dep.     X
Strategy
Outcome
Category
Note: The change here is the Outcome is changed to blank
6.Now when we do the above configuration change ,the material is getting replaced and the avaialability check is happening but if there is no sufficient stock it is not going to the next material.
It stops at the first alternate itself.
example for this is :
****Materialdetermination master data:
Material entered :INT1_AUTOLITE
Alternate materials:
INT1_AUTOLITE
INT1_FRAM
Stock situation :
INT1_AUTOLITE :5000
INT1_FRAM     :5000
When i create a sales order for 7500 for INT1_AUTOLITE it is only confirming 5000 fro the item 10 as material INT1_AUTOLITE it is not going to the next material
This is the core issue we are facing currently.
IssueNo2:
we also find a strange thing.
we have a availabiity check indicator in the V_TVSU ( config table)
SUVFP-Substitution dependent on the availability check
This is not available as a entry option.
why is this so ???
can anyone give a good response.
Reg
satheeshkumar

Hi,
IssueNo:1
we are working with the material determination and the ATP .
1. we have created a reason for substiution in th ovrq as below
Reasn             ZATP
Description     Autom.mat.selection
Entry
Warn
AvCh dep.     X
Strategy
Outcome             B
Category
2.we have the material determination as below
Material entered :INT1_AUTOLITE
Alternate materials:
INT1_AUTOLITE
INT1_FRAM
In this we have the INT1_FRAM material marked for the mrp.
3.The above are the config and the master data ,
4.In the above setting the material is replaced as subitem and all the ATP is done correctly as per the checking group and the scope ofthe check
5.When we change the setting for the reason for substiution as below
Reasn             ZATP
Description     Autom.mat.selection
Entry
Warn
AvCh dep.     X
Strategy
Outcome
Category
Note: The change here is the Outcome is changed to blank
6.Now when we do the above configuration change ,the material is getting replaced and the avaialability check is happening but if there is no sufficient stock it is not going to the next material.
It stops at the first alternate itself.
example for this is :
****Materialdetermination master data:
Material entered :INT1_AUTOLITE
Alternate materials:
INT1_AUTOLITE
INT1_FRAM
Stock situation :
INT1_AUTOLITE :5000
INT1_FRAM     :5000
When i create a sales order for 7500 for INT1_AUTOLITE it is only confirming 5000 fro the item 10 as material INT1_AUTOLITE it is not going to the next material
This is the core issue we are facing currently.
IssueNo2:
we also find a strange thing.
we have a availabiity check indicator in the V_TVSU ( config table)
SUVFP-Substitution dependent on the availability check
This is not available as a entry option.
why is this so ???
can anyone give a good response.
Reg
satheeshkumar

Issue in Material Determination and Delivery Block

Hi,
I have an issue while changing a Sale Order. When I clear a particular block in VA02, the manual pricing conditions that were entered in VA01 are deleted and document becomes incomplete again. This happens only to the child material in a material determination scenario. This happens only for that particular block and that too only when I clear the block. If I change the block, there is no such problem. What I would like to know is,
1. Can this error be trigerred from a configuration/setting?
2. Or is there no such possibility of such error happening that it has to be from some user exit?
I tried manually overriding the error, but it didn't work out.
Kindly help me in this issue.
Thanks in advance,
Poornima L Nathan

Post this qn in ERP SD forum. You are in the wrong forum.

Material Determination and IDOC/EDI

Hi Gurus,
I'm wonder if someone can help me on this:
1) Material Determination is already configured.
2) Master Data already there, to convert EAN codes into Material ones.
3) If I execute VA01, everything is ok, and the EAN code will be substituted by corresponding Material.
4) If I process an IDOC ORDERS01 wich has in E2EDP19 segment, the EAn code with qualifier "003", he gives me an error message, saying that there is no conversion for that material, ( EAN one ), and the process stops with status 51.
What I'm doing wrong ?
Thanks in advance,
Cheers

Try filling the EAN code as material in the IDOc with the Qualifier 003.
Regards,
Nagaraju Chidurupalli

Substitution reason in Material determination

What is the significance of Substitution reason in Material determination.
Are the values of substitution reason linked with other units or is it just a text input/information field?
Regds
Nikhil

Nikhil,
Substitution reason is the thing that controls how the material determination or substitution happens.
Below are the controls that it provides.
--> Throw a warning message before substituting the material
--> Defines the strategy whether product selection should occur automatically in the background or whether the alternative materials should be offered for selection in a dialog box
--> Outcome , How the new material need to be substituted, Whether it should replace the current item or add a new line item in the order.
--> Substitution category, in case of the service item.
You are going to enter this substitution reason in the condition record.
Regards,
Ajai.

Free goods determination from material determination.

Hi experts,
I have one issue for you,
My scenario is:
we issue freee goods 1:1. i configured free goods setting and maintained VBN1 (condition records for free goods). i even maintained material determination configuration settings and maintained VB11 (condition records for material determination). The problem is system proposing free goods automatically when i process sales order without material determination list, if i go through material determination list system not determining free goods nor giving any message. what is the system behaviour if we go through material sustitution list to free goods. the main item (for free goods)will be existed in the substitutiion list. plez help. any suggestion will be highly appreciated.
thanks,
sada

Hi
Please consider the two issues separately. Don't club both the issues. If you have records for both material determination and free goods.,
1. Whether the material substitution is happening perfectly (as per the records created in VB11) or not.
Next.,
2. check whether the free goods are determined for the material in the sales order line item (as per the records created in VBN1) or not.
Please check and post the result.
Sometimes the freegoods will be determined in the sales order but will not create any second line item(as sub item) because while creating the records in VBN1 if you select the option 'Free goods Inclusive without line item generation. In this case NRAB condition type will be determined instead of R100.
So, also check the conditions tab and see whether the entire quantity is priced or not.
Thanks,
Ravi

Material Determination in Sales Order BOM

Dear Gurus,
We would appreciate any solutions and/or suggestions you can provide for our problem below:
Background:
Part XYZ is a sales BOM which contains 3 components: A, B, and C. Component B has a material determination (product substitution/interchange) with material B1, B2 or B3.
Requirement:
When a customer orders part XYZ, and if component/material B is not available in stock/shortage, then any or all of the product interchanges may be used to fulfill the order until the full order quantity is confirmed.
Problem:
We are able to explode the BOM to its components but unable to generate the product interchanges for component B in the sales order.
Could you please help? Thank you very much.
Best regards,
Michael SA

SAP Note 486680
SAP Note 549341
Please check the above notes.
Regards
Sai

Material Determination use stock of discontinued material

I am trying to determine if there is a way in R/3 to have a material replace an older material but as sales orders are entered take into consideration any inventory that might still remain of the discontinued material. Here is an example.
1.) We have 15 EA of Material A in inventory in Plant 123
2.) We are going to discontinue Material A and replace with Material B in this plant
3.) VB11 Condition Records are setup for the A to B substitution for order entries
4.) Order for 20 EA for Material A comes in
I would like to see a requirement tp use the 15 from A that are still inventory and then place an order for the remaining 5 on the new Matl B (from Mfg or whomever provides).
Is this possible using the condition records for material determination and the follow-up material options on MRP4 view?

Hi Bill,
This is possible using standard SAP functionalities.
Now considrer a situation where you are creating VB11 record for material A(to be discontiniued) which is to be substituted by material B. And the need is to deplete the available stock of material A first and then start substituting it with material B.
In order to achieve this, while creating a record in VB11 firstly create a record for replacing mat A by mat A , then double click the record line that you have created, which will pop up a small window giving you options to enter mutiple alternatives apart from mat A. where you can you can enter material B as the second alternative/replacement after mat A.
The sequence of material is important to decide which material is considered as the replacement by the system.
In our case system will first replace mat A by mat A and search for stock availability, if sufficient stock or no stock available it will replace the original mat A with the alternative material entered in the VB11 record i.e. Mat B.
Another important thing to note while creating VB11 record is a check box available as "MRP Indiciator" now this indicator plays an important role while transferring requirement to MRP.
In our case we have Mat A which is being disontinued so we dont want the requirement for mat A to be transferred to MRP incase of shortage, instead we want the requirement for material B to be transferred for MRP.
In this case you need to check the MRP indicator box for Material B. if not checked the requirement for Mat A would be transferred to MRP.
Hope this clarifies your questions.
Thanks,
Kishor

Material determination Vs Product selection

Hi
What is the difference between Material determination and Product selection ?
Regards
Mahesh

Hello Mahesh,
Material determination or Product selection
1. Material determination (sometimes referred to as product selection) is a method in SAP-SD to substitute or swap one material in the sales order for another using the condition technique and is triggered by the material entered in the line item of the sales order. Material determination can also use a pop-up window with a number of products the user can choose from the list.
2. Material determination can be automatic or manual and is used
 When an old product is becoming obsolete (outdated) and the business is releasing a new product in its place starting from a specific date. In this case the old item gets automatically replaced by the new item in the sales order.
 You may configure the system to automatically to swap one material for a number of other materials, the one material being determined based on which one is available.
 It is also possible to swap the material for a number of materials, where the user is presented to choose from the list.
 Material determination is specifically useful should you wish to swap your customers part number automatically for your own at the time of the sales order.
The functionality of manual and automatic product selection is available during material determination.
a. Reason for substitution 0005: manual product selection (list of default values)
b. Reason for substitution 0004 & 0006: automatic product selection (depends on product availability in order and delivery)
In manual product selection (0005), the system does not automatically replace the product. Instead, it displays a list of all the substitution materials and other information in the master record doing the availability check such as quantity available that can be confirmed on the customers requested delivery date and if the full quantity cannot be met, the system proposes a new date on which the material can be completely delivered. You can then select the required material from the list.
During automatic product selection (0004 & 0006) the system replaces the entered material automatically if it is not available. When you enter an order, the system tries to fill the quantity of the order with the first material in the material determination master record. If there is no enough quantity available then it fills the remaining quantity with the next material.
You can choose whether or not to run the material determination during the delivery process for the same material, as the result of the substitution may change due to the new availability situation of the material.
Reward if helps
Regards
Sai

SAP SD material determination help...

Dear Members,
I have a scenario in material determination and I need your help.
We have old product and we have to substitute it with new product. now we have to finish old product first from the inventory then we have to substitute with new product in the material determination. so how do I put this condition in the material determination.
and also how do I substitute new material to the old material.
I will highly appreciate if any one could help me with the detailed procedure for this.
Thank you so much.
Rohan.

Hi,
please see this notes i hope it ill helpfull for you.
MATERIAL DETERMINATION :
This function is used in several business scenarios.
Ex : l-40c product is discontinued so when we enter the material master. L-40c we want system to swap the material number to alternate materials l-40F
Business wants to introduce new product as alternate to the existing material l-60c and new product is l-60f. Now system will not swap directly but issue a pop showing an alternate material is available whether it has to be selected.
The user enters material xyz system will show a list of materials which are available for this particular specification (CUSTOMISED BY CONDITION TECHNIQUE)_
Menu Path :
Imgu2026 sdu2026 basic functions u2026 select material determination u2026 maintain pre-requisities for material determination
Select maintain procedure.
Select standard procedure A00001 material determination and copy as Z00002material dete.proc. and save.
The procedure z00002 has condition type u201CA001u201D. This condition type has access sequence = u201CA001u201D.
The access sequence u201CA001u201D uses a table no.1 material entered
Select assign procedures to sales document types
Sdoc. Type     Procedure
Quotation      Z00002
Select your document type and assign the procedure.
Select define substitution reasons
Select new entries
Substitution reason = Z1
Description = old material by new material
Entr4y = if activated will show the old material number also in the document relevant for output (communication to customer)
Warning = if activated system will issue an alert before changing the material to new number ( to be used only in the case at automatic swiping
Strategy : Keep it blank for automatic swiping
Save.
Create one more substitution
Z2     Alternate               A
To test it create the condition records.
Menu path :
Sapmenu u2026. Logistics u2026 sdu2026 master data u2026 products u2026 material determination .. create (VB11)
Material entered : the no.of material which is entered in the document.
Material : here you have maintain the material number which is the replacement
Enter the respective material numbers and then fill up the proposed reason (Z1/Z2)
Now create the document and test the working of the function.
Enter the material now the system will automatically swap the entered material with the another material number. System will maintain the record of material entered.
SECOND SCENARIO:
VB11 (SAME PATH)
Maintain the proposal reason as Z2 material
After we enter the material system will show the popup message showing the alternate material. We have choice here either copy or continue with entered material number.
Suppose you want to maintain more than one material as alternative material. Select the line alternate or (F2) button.
with best Regards,
Y.VENKATASWAMY.

How to configure material determination???

hi,
v r working on automatic material determination for christmas..so please guide me how i can proceed???
specifically i need info on material exclusion and inclusion..
thanks a lot
h shah

Hi Shah,
MATERIAL DETERMINATION:
A method to determine the material to be used in the sales order. Material determination uses the condition technique to swap one material for another when certain conditions apply. It is triggered by the material entered in the line item of the sales order.
Maintain prerequisites for materialMaterial DeterminationSD- IMG determination Maintain field catalog, create condition table, Maintain access sequences, define condition types, and maintain material determination procedure. Lastly create your condition records with valid dates and substitution reasons.
- Creating a condition record: Logistics, SD, Master data, Products, Material determination, Create [VB11].
Material Determination: - Substituting one product with other product is called material determination.
Maintaining the records for Material Determination: -
SPRO
Logistics
Sales and Distribution
Master Data
Products
Material Determination
VB11 Create.
Enter the determination type [A001] (Material Entered).
Material Entered: - Here enter the original material which has to be substituted.
Material: - Enter the material with which we want to substitute the main material.
Reason for Substitution: - specifies the reason why the system automatically carried out material substitution.
To enter multiple materials as substitution select the icon alternative materials.
This concept is based on condition technique.
SPRO
Sales and Distribution
Basic Functions
Material Determination
Maintain prerequisites for material determination.
Create condition tables [OV16]
Maintain access sequences
Define condition types
Maintain procedure
SPRO
Sales and Distribution
Basic Functions
Material Determination
Assign procedures to sales document types [OV14]
Defining the reason for substitution: -
SPRO
Sales and Distribution
Basic Functions
Material Determination
Define substitution reasons [OVRQ]
Go to new entries and define
Substitution reason: - Specify the substitution reason [0001]
Description: - Advertising campaign
Entry: - If we check this field the system prints the name or number of the original material on the corresponding output.
Warning: - If we check this field the system displays a warning message before substituting the material.
Strategy: - Controls whether the product selection should occur automatically in the background or whether the alternative materials should be offered for a selection in dialog box.
Out come: - Controls whether the out come of product selection should replace the original entry or whether it should be recorded as a sub item of the original entry.
Please Reward If Really Helpful,
Thanks and Regards,
Sateesh.Kandula

Account ,partner,material determination explain?

hi
can u explain me in brief what is mean by account determination,partner determination and material determination ???/

Hi Candhrakanth,
MATERIAL DETERMINATION:-
A method to determine the material to be used in the sales order. Material determination uses the condition technique to swap one material for another when certain conditions apply. It is triggered by the material entered in the line item of the sales order.
Maintain prerequisites for materialMaterial DeterminationSD- IMG determination Maintain field catalog, create condition table, Maintain access sequences, define condition types, and maintain material determination procedure. Lastly create your condition records with valid dates and substitution reasons.
- Creating a condition record: Logistics, SD, Master data, Products, Material determination, Create [VB11].
Material Determination: - Substituting one product with other product is called material determination.
Maintaining the records for Material Determination: -
SPRO
Logistics
Sales and Distribution
Master Data
Products
Material Determination
VB11 Create.
Enter the determination type [A001] (Material Entered).
Material Entered: - Here enter the original material which has to be substituted.
Material: - Enter the material with which we want to substitute the main material.
Reason for Substitution: - specifies the reason why the system automatically carried out material substitution.
To enter multiple materials as substitution select the icon alternative materials.
This concept is based on condition technique.
SPRO
Sales and Distribution
Basic Functions
Material Determination
Maintain prerequisites for material determination.
Create condition tables [OV16]
Maintain access sequences
Define condition types
Maintain procedure
SPRO
Sales and Distribution
Basic Functions
Material Determination
Assign procedures to sales document types [OV14]
Defining the reason for substitution: -
SPRO
Sales and Distribution
Basic Functions
Material Determination
Define substitution reasons [OVRQ]
Go to new entries and define
Substitution reason: - Specify the substitution reason [0001]
Description: - Advertising campaign
Entry: - If we check this field the system prints the name or number of the original material on the corresponding output.
Warning: - If we check this field the system displays a warning message before substituting the material.
Strategy: - Controls whether the product selection should occur automatically in the background or whether the alternative materials should be offered for a selection in dialog box.
Out come: - Controls whether the out come of product selection should replace the original entry or whether it should be recorded as a sub item of the original entry.
Please Reward If Really Helpful,
Thanks and Regards,
Sateesh.Kandula

Free goods with combination of material determination

Hi All,
I have Materil X for this free good is Y. But for material Y there is material determination with A. In this case what will happen while i am entering the material X in the sale order/
As of my knowledge freegoods don't support for any special function like BOM & vairant config. I don't know about the material det.
Please clarify this doubt.
Regards
Sunil

Hi Sunil,
You can see Material Determination and Free goods as two seperate issues.
For material X, Material Y will be a free good only when material Y is available in stock. The system will not substitute materiail Y with material A just because you have material determination configured for the same.
On the other hand, if you enter material Y on its own i.e. seperately at the line item level of the sales order..........then material determination will occur and the item will be substituted by material A.
See both of them as two seperate scenarios.
Hope its clear.............
Regards
Sai

Shipping point was not determine in the order with material determination.

Hi,
I´m using material determination for my sales order, and i need to determine the Shipping point with storage location configuration. So when I add the material number, the quantity and the storage location the material determination runs and in the second line determined the shipping point it is not filled. Any body knows how can I fix this problem?
Best Regards

Hi
The shipping point will be determined on the basis of shipping condition, loading group and the delivering plant.
The storage location dependent shipping point determination is used only in delivery documents and not in sales orders (Assign Shipping Points According to Storage Location).
To activate this you must first Define Rule for Determination of Shipping Point, wherein you can assign the rule to the delivery document only and not to the sales order.
If you say that you are getting the shipping point determined based on the number of the material, the quantity and the storage location entered(though it is not) then here note that you are entering the storage location only to the material entered and not to the material determined. When the system determine the alternate material then the shipping point will be determined on the basis of shipping condition, loading group and the delivering plant as per SAP standard process.
Try by entering the storage location to the material determined and check whether you can get the shipping point or not and let the forum know the result.
Hope this helps you.
Regards
Rajkumar K

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