Material determination with outcome B

Hi all,
We are using material determination functionality. Automatic reason with Outcome B. As per SAP help, the Material is determined at SO level and it is copied over to DO . No availability check in DO and material is not redetermined at DO.This is exactly I am trying to achieve so using outcome B is used. But when I create DO, only the higher level item is getting copied and also with Zero quantity. So I can not proceed with DO. Has anyone come across this problem before? What is the copy control I need to maintain if I am using outcome B
Please help.
Regards,
Beena

Hi,
In a delivery referring to an order, material determination is carried out subject to the sales document type on which it is based. Material determination in a delivery is carried out for new items if material determination has been activated for the underlying sales document type. No material determination is carried out for items copied from the order. You have to assign an appropriate material determination procedure (in the standard R/3 system, it is A00001) to the Sales document type DL so that material determination can be carried out in deliveries without reference to an order (LO).
reward if its useful.
Regards,
Hari Shankar

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> Hi SAP Gurus
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> We are using material determination with product selection. The process is that customer will send in one product in a sales order. At the time of doing ATP we have to look for about three or four possible alternatives and confirm that alternative which has the highest stock level depending on the ATP situation. We have configured material determination with SAP standard substitution reason0006 to take care of this. The problem with this is that this creates two line items in sales order as the item substituted is shown as a sub-item of the material entered. We do not want to have two line items in a sales order for this. Is there a way we can do material determination with product selection (Based on ATP) and have the item substituted replace the item entered in a sales order? In other words we do not want to see two line items in a sales order. The substitute item should simply replace the original item and the material entered could be stored in field VBAP-MATWA. I have gone through all the standard SAP documentation which clearly states that in order to material determination based on ATP we have to use outcome A or B both of which create a sub-item.
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> I was wondering if there is any workaround or if there is any user exit in which we can replace the original item with the substituted item?? Any help or any direction will be highly appreciated.
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IssueNo:1
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Hi,
IssueNo:1
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Description     Autom.mat.selection
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Description     Autom.mat.selection
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