Material Forecast VS SOP Forecast

Hi,
Could anyone please explan to me what is the difference between the mtl forecast and the SOP forecast ? I have read the documentation a few times and still have not bee able to figure out what the difference is. Do we need to use both at the same time ? Do the forecasted values in the material master equate to the forecasted values you see in the SOP planning table ? Are these two interchangable ? I would really appreciate it if someone could explain this to me.
Thanks

Dear,
It depends on the parameters used. First let you be clear that do you want to do it through SOP or Matrial master, then go ahead with that. It may be same or diffeent depends on the parameters used.
If you do it in forecast in material master usually we use it for ra material where we use consumption based planning with VV.
If you do sales forecast it is used for product and we are doing with a planning stg where we control the consumption.
In SOP, we can control what to consider as consumotion or whether to take last year slaes...
In material master it is just a consumption.
Hence be clear what is required for you and proceed

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Hi,
In your case you must be having as below:
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hi
I want to know about the calculation in forecasting in SOP
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1.SAP - has forecast profile.
inside the forecast profile we have the forecast model
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2. i have explained little on the few elements
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beta:The system uses the beta factor to smooth the trend value
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http://help.sap.com/saphelp_47x200/helpdata/en/a5/632f3b43a211d189410000e829fbbd/frameset.htm
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I am creating sop from forecast. I am doing the following steps. Please tell me whether I am right or not.
In the first month I have maintained the historical consumption values for materials in MM02 under total consumption.
I created sop for the materials through forecast in MC87/ MC88 active version.
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regards
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