Mavericks 10.9.2 Junk Filtering radically broken

Mail under Mavericks (latest update as applied by App Store, verified multiple times that I have latest version of the OS, 10.9.2) has radically broken mail app junk filtering.
If I do the following I will have at least 90% of the messages sent end up marked as junk on my primary system, the last 17" MacBook Pro series made, however, even my less than one year old MacBook Air will exhibit similar behavior, just not at the extreme frequency of mail junk filtering failures as on the main MacBook Pro:
Create new email message addressed to myself
I should add that I have BCC myself set on all of my mail accounts
Add photos and Hit send (I use this process as a simple way to gather images from a number of folders on various backup drives and send the selected set of images in one group that I can then easily export to iPhoto (or Aperture)
Message sends
Message never appears in my inbox, neither the TO: nor BCC: appear
Check sent folder and find that the message is IN the Sent folder, with brown header indicating that I Marked the message as JUNK, I did NOT do so
I have reset all rules, no change, disabled junk no change (yes with Junk DISABLED the above will happen), I have used the advance option and edited the rules to try and simplify the settings to the bare amount, all with no discernable changes. I have even added rules that explicitly state DO NOT consider as junk any messages containing my domain name for example, still no change.
Even though I have marked LEAVE JUNK MAIL IN INBOX it is inconsistent, mail I send to myself the majority of times will be in the sent folder, other email that mail app marks as junk MAY be in my inbox, but not consistently.
Even email I have marked multiple times as Not Junk continues to be marked as Junk (for example NO email sent from my work domain to my work domain email should ever be marked as junk, yet it is, but always inconsistently, that is out of 200 hundred plus emails a day, a handful will be marked as junk, in some cases the exact same sender will be marked as junk on successive days with me marking each message as Not Junk, then for a period all email will be delivered as intended, only to have stuff from the previous email sender start appearing as marked as junk again).
When I have ENABLED Junk filtering I have verified that all check boxes are as have been suggested in other threads here
Again, even DISABLING Junk filtering still results in the inconsistent delivery of my own emails to myself
As an experiment, if I send the message from my gmail account USING mail app to compose and send the message (NOT using the web interface to gmail, but the mail app native gmail account setup) sending the message to my personal domain email address it appears the problem never exhibits. The BCC shows up in my gmail account inbox, and TO: message appears in my primary personal domain account inbox. I have tried this at least four or five times and so far it has never failed to deliver the message, and never has marked as junk. However, based on the inconsistent behavior of junk filtering with my work domain email I would not be willing to bet that using gmail to send to my personal domain account would not have some junk filter mistakes as well.
This has gotten bad enough that I would gladly go to another mail client, but any alternative client needs to support at minimum the following:
Must support FULL iPhoto (or Aperture) integration, this means not only ability to send email from iPhoto, but ability to EXPORT images from a mail message into iPhoto, as well as select Photos from media in finder sidebar and have iPhoto browser open to SEND images via email as alternative to sending from iPhoto directly
Must support Exchange (used for my work domain email)
Images in attached message should allow mass saving to file system folders as well if desired, in addition to exporting to iPhoto
I Have tried several alternative email apps for OS X. Postbox seems to be the only one that claims any iPhoto integration at all, and it is marginal at best, and does not seem to support exporting images directly into iPhoto regardless. Postbox also had some other weirdness, some options from mail seem to be just missing (for example if BCC myself on all messages exists I have not found the setting), loading messages with any attachments was much slower than mail, etc. But if there was a way to get Postbox to work better with iPhoto I would be willing to give it a try.
I have even wondered if maill app and/or preferences are corrupted. I have a ton of email that would be painful to lose (I do use Mail Steward to back up email from previous years, but it would be a fair amount of work to completely back up all of my accounts and delete everything and restart using Mail Steward, but that might be my only option). Even if I did totally kill all my preferences and deleted the entire mail section in /Library it is not clear if there is any way to reinstall just mail. Or do I download the entire OS X Mavericks installer, run that and hope it reinstalls mail app and start all over? I am willing to even try that, if I had a reasonable expectation that it would actually correct anything. But I suspect based on what I have seen here and on the web that this is a fundementatl break in the mail app code.
As an alternative, is there a terminal command I can try to use to totally eradicate and shutoff mail app junk filtering since the control in preferences to disable junk filtering is not working, at least on my system?
Any ideas appreciated.
Thanks

I did some additional testing last night. Setting Junk to DISABLED, closing mail and re-launching mail, and then sending myself a message from the same account STILL ends up with the message marked as JUNK (in fact it indicates I marked it for junk, which clearly I did NOT so mark my own message sent to me as junk) with the message marked as junk sitting in the sent folder. Setting junk filtering back to ENABLED, exiting mail and re-launching again, still no change. I again RESET all junk rules and learned behavior, tried sending myself a message again, and still had the same failure. I have verified the various settings that have been proposed in other threads in this forum, no joy, same behavior. It simply appears that email sent from your own account to yourself is frequently (if not 100% in recent testimng) tagged as being junk, and that simply is nuts.
Mail is fundamentally, radically broken since one of the latest Mavericks releases. (I think this actually started in 10.9.1, but I know for certain it is 10.9.2).
I fail to see how ANY setting of rules, et al, can be at issue here. When junk filtering is DISABLED nothing should ever be filtered as junk, period. In reality mail is still being impacted by the junk mail filtering, regardless of any setting, including totally disabling junk mail filtering in mail preferences.
Add in that in the latest versions of mail (again for at least the last two major 10.9 updates, if not longer) deleting messages is inconsistent. I have had messages I have deleted reappear in one of my folders multiple times. The most common are messages popping back up in the DRAFTS folder, where I have a copy of the message in my sent folder, and the recipient of the message acknowledges receipt of the message. Clearly the message is NOT still a draft. I manually delete these spurious messages and in some cases the same messages reappear back into mail in the drafts folder again!
I love Apple products, and support the company and their technology, but mail has some significant issues, and regrettably there does not appear to be any viable alternative that really integrates with the rest of the OS X environment as well, leaving us with either a badly broken mail client, or significant downgrade in functionality moving to a different client.

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Dan you were right. I had a spam message from one gmail accounts and it did not have the Junk brown bar but then I trained as spam and it then put the junk brown bar on the email. So it is seeing the spamsieve the same as server-side spam.
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