MBA and Aperture or Lightroom

Does anyone have experience using the Late 2008 1.86GHz MBA with either Aperture or Lightroom? I am a newcomer to digital photography and was warned off the 1st gen MBA for use with either of these programs.
I'd appreciate learning from users' real world experience.

Aperture Works great. If you are doing any editing etc - the fan will come on after a minute or 2 - but it runs fine. I submitted a large review of the new MBA SSD machine and the various heavyweight programs it can run well etc, but it was rejected by the site admins here since I didn't ask any questions in my review.
It runs fine. there is no worry about it overheating the machine etc, or it slowing down the system excessively. I don't have an overly large photo library on the MBA - but I only use Aperture for editing and not for tagging etc. Same goes for Photoshop CS3 and Logic Pro - they both work great.
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Work with both: iPhoto and Aperture (or Lightroom)

I have iLife '09 and the newest MacBook pro with Leopard (last edition) and I am New in Apple Scene.
All my photos now are imported in iPhoto. How can I organize lot of photos, when I want to work with Aperture (or Lightroom)? Do I need then iPhoto? Or only organize all photos in Aperture?

Aperture, Lightroom and iPhoto all cover the same ground in different ways.
iPhoto is aimed at the domestic market. It's very user friendly and works very well with Point and Shoot cameras especially.
Both AP and LR are focussed firmly on the Pro Shooter shooting high volumes of RAW. They both have significant learning curves.
That said, there is much to be gained as an Amateur photographer using either app if you are shooting RAW. Much less so if you you're shooting jpeg.
You can download trials of both AP and LR.
AP works in a limited fashion with iPhoto. You can share your Previews with iPhoto, for instance, and there is a facility to easily migrate from iPhoto to Aperture. You can migrate an entire library or just particular photos.
LR is utterly unaware of iPhoto. There is a third party plug-in that facilitates exporting from LR to iPhoto. There is no easy way to migrate from iPhoto to LR.
Subject to the caveats above about shooting RAW: I would use Aperture as the primary organisational and processing app. I choose AP because it's much more powerful that iPhoto and because it has excellent OS integration entirely missing from LR.
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TD

Lightroom and CS5 and Aperture Workflow?

I am trying to put the finishing touches on a year and a half long port to mac from windows. My expectation is that I will be purchasing CS5 (Illustrator, Photoshop and InDesign) and I was hoping there would be a user or two on the forum that may be able to just advise me as to whether I am moving in the correct direction. Also, I was hoping to get a heads up on how Lightroom might fit into the following proposed workflow. Here is what I am anticipating:
1. Export necessary images from Aperture into folder named "Aperture" with sub-folders by project name.
2. "Photoshop" folder (with project sub-folders) for any edited images, transparency overlays, etc.
3. "Illustrator" folder (with project sub-folders) for any vector editing of images and/or individual vector files
4. "InDesign" folder (with project sub-folders) for ID posterboards, publications etc that reference files in Photoshop and/or Illustrator folders.
5. "Keynote" folder (with project sub-folders) for presentation that reference files in Photoshop and/or Illustrator folders.
6. "Uploads" folder for any images uploaded to ftp that cannot be done from within the Aperture interface.
Does anyone know if this looks about right, how Lightroom might fit into this workflow and/or whether there is a way to streamline this in any way?
In the past I've tended to be very reliant on dragging and dropping and copying images images across my hard drive for access and organization in various projects (web media, proposals, publication, papers, etc, etc) but as I start working in Aperture I can obviously see the benefits of keeping a lot of this data within Aperture. That said, some of this workflow is a bit hard to anticipate and I'd also like to know what I need to buy to get it optimized.
TIA for any suggestions or help.

Lightroom and Aperture serve identical purposes. There is no reason to use both.
Since they serve identical purposes, at least at the macro-planning stages, you can substitute one for the other in any workflow.
There is nothing in your proposed workflow that I would recommend.

Lightroom and Aperture problem

Help! I have both Lightroom and Aperture installed on my computer. I should have never installed both because neither one now works right. I think I need to uninstall Aperture but I am afraid to because Lightroom doesn't seem to be importing pictures correctly! Help me please!! I have over 4000 pics that need to be downloaded off of my camera disc! Also, if I uninstall Aperature, will iphoto still function?

You got a mess on your hands -- don't worry, happens to all of us.
1. Choose one or the other, but not both. Either LR or Aperture. If you have to, play a bit with each. But once you commit, commit all the way and _don't use the other_.
2. Find, isolate, and quarantine your digicam "negatives". Where they are is anybodies guess. Figure it out, for Aperture and for Lightroom. Separate them from these programs. Group them together. Back them up.
3 Export all "developed" images. If you already know which program you are going to use, export only those developed in the other program.
4. Once you have selected to work with either LR or Aperture, import all digicam files and all previously-developed-files into the program you selected.
I have no idea why you LR pics are pixilated, but I would ignore it for now. You have bigger problems, all caused by an un-flowable workflow.
HTH.

When i shoot long exposures of 20 seconds and higher, the lightroom always shows the aperture as F4

When i shoot long exposures of 20 seconds and higher, the lightroom always shows the aperture as F4 even if i have used F16 or F11. Why is this happening??

Try them and find out if it's just a Lightroom issue or a metadata issue.
http://owl.phy.queensu.ca/~phil/exiftool/

Photo Stream activation fails in iPhoto and Aperture

Hi,
i've just updated to OSX 1.7.2 on my iMac and MBA and to iOS5 on my iPhone 4S and iPad 2. Everything basically works well except the iCloud photo stream on my mac.
iPhone and iPad play well and push and pull fotos from the photo stream.
On the mac i can't activate the photo stream. I've updated iPhoto and Aperture but when i try to activate the photo stream it says that it's unable to reach the photo stream. I've already logged out from i cloud and re logged in again but that didn't help. iPhoto and Aperture are the latest versions.
Anyone with an idea?
Addition: Activation works well on another iMac with another iCloud account from my girl friend (in the same local network), i've also double checked little snitch isn't blocking anything.
Addition 2: It also works on my MBA with the same iCloud account that doesn't work on the iMac. Weird,

I'm fairly certain that it's an account-wide preference. You could always enable a second user account, turn on Fast User Switching, and only swap to that account to launch iPhoto and do your Photo Stream business.

Photo file issues with iWeb and Aperture....also too much duplicating!!

A little background, before I get into my iWeb issue.....
Years ago I tried iPhoto, but I didn't like how it duplicated all my photo files and I wasn't very fond of the file structure it created. Years later (last month) I got Aperture. Aperture (still has a long way to go) also duplicates all your files and places them in their own file structure. If I can get along with Aperture (and if it will get along with my other programs), I won't mind putting all my files into the file structure it creates. But for now, I still have my original files in the original file structure I have had for many years as a back up.
On to my issue with iWeb and Aperture....
To add photos to iWeb, you can either go into the iWeb media center or you can drag and drop photos from other locations.
1st: iWeb media center
To get my photos into the media center, I would have to load them into iPhoto (iP 6 does allow you to keep your original file structure, but it still creates .jpg files, which fills up your hard-drive. More duplicates I don't need or want). So that is out for me. iP6 will let you view and use your Raw files.
Another way is to drag and drop your file structure directly into the media center window. I don't think this duplicates any files (at least I haven't been able to find any), but it takes an awfully long time to thumbnail all your photos (several hours and still waiting for 22K + files). Also, it won't show any Raw files. Again, out for me.
Aperture won't let you drag and drop its library into the media center at all. So if I was to move all my files into the Aperture Library, I wouldn't be able to access them for iWeb at all.....Out for me.
2nd: Drag and Drop
I was able to drag and drop Raw files directly into iWeb from C1 Pro, Adobe Bridge and Adobe Lightroom.
As I said before, I am trying to move over to Aperture. However, Aperture won't let me drag and drop photos. What is the deal here??? These are both Apple programs and they won't play nice with each other. Very annoying.
Anyway, I put a link below to my iWeb test webpage I made. All the photos were Raw files that I did a drag and drop from C1 Pro, Adobe Bridge and Lightroom. There were no problems with the publishing.
http://web.mac.com/phil_navarro/iWeb/Site%202/Drag%20and%20Drop%20test.html
So, does anyone know if they can get photos from Aperture to work?? Thanks for any responses.
Phil
G5 Desktop Mac OS X (10.4.4)

Jedi,
Perhaps you are right.
I am not a web developer and I will never be. I don't feel like spending countless hours learning how to use Dreamweaver or some other Pro web app. iWeb looked like a way to start making websites of my photos for my friends and family (much easier and better than Home Page on .Mac). All I was asking was for a way to drag and drop my photos (especially Raw files) with Aperture. Which I can do with Lightroom, Adobe Bridge and C1 Pro, and without using iPhoto.
I am not a Pro photographer either, but I purchased Aperture based on what was advertised on the Apple website. From that ad, Aperture fit my photo needs almost to a tee. I am looking to adjust Raw files, Crop, Archive and keep my use of Hard Disk space down to a minimum. I can use Photoshop for the other 5% of things I do. However, Aperture has some issues (if you own it, then you already know. If you don't, you can read the Aperture Forum) This is one of the reasons I never went to iPhoto for archiving. I didn't like the way it duplicated all my files, taking up more disk space and its file structure. So even though Aperture won't play nice with other programs, I was surprised that it wouldn't play nice with any Apple programs.
After reading your post and based on what you are saying, everyone either needs to have/learn/use Pro apps only or have/learn/use iApps only. Don't Cross the Streams!!
I guess that means Apple will need to fix DVD Studio Pro. It uses photos that are in your iPhoto library and music from iTunes (iApps in a Pro app??....for shame...."it was never intended"). Also, DVD SP won't read the Aperture library. Does that mean there are 3 platforms? Pro, iApp and Mediocre??
Now I have 2 questions:
1. Can someone please tell me which apps are Pro and iApp, or if there is Mediocre? I don't want to mix them up and "Cross the Streams".
2. Again....is there anyway to use Aperture with iWeb?
TIA,
Narvon

Aperture versus Lightroom - web gallery

Greetings,
This is a sort of a two in one post. I use both Lightroom and Aperture, and I am curious to know how many out there prefer one over the other.
For me, I find it hard to choose because I want to be able to use only one program. Now I import my images into both libraries and I find it too tedious, especially given the amount of images I capture.
The one thing that Lightroom surpasses Aperture on is the web gallery update. As far as I know, Aperture only updates images online only to .Mac. Lightroom allows me to upload to any website I choose. My main site is astronomyonline.org and I have setup a gallery (http://astronomyonline.org/gallery - in case you want to have a peek!). Is there a way to have Aperture upload to a site other than .Mac?
PS - I have been a photographer for over 20 years, and now it has become a tool to allow me to enjoy the world around me as I am now legally blind! My Apple Cinema 30" monitor allows me to view and edit my images. MacSpeech Dictate allows my words to translate into text.

I do prefer Lightroom largely because it either supports or was quicker to support all of my cameras.
Now I will use Aperture only for album creation, but it also had advantages when it came to ease of e-mailing photos. I started with the original Lightroom beta, switched to Aperture and for the last 6 or 7 months have returned to Lightroom.

10.6.4 and Aperture 3.0.3 White iMac

The issues appear to be fixed. A big thanks to Apple for making this right. I, for one, thought we 6,1 iMac owners were left for dead in the water on this one.
I downloaded the combo update ( over 850mb) rather than perform a software update. I upgraded with this combo update directly from 10.6.2.. Everything appears to work without a hitch.
Again, the Apple/Aperture team deserve a lot of thanks.

I have the 6,1 7300gt and frankly, it runs just fine with Aperture 3 and 4gb of RAM. It is true that only 3GB is recognized, but this hasn't been a huge concern for me to date. I can say that the 7600gt is a very good performer relatively speaking and performs just as well as the ATI 2600HD cards in the next generation iMac (first alum. imac). That said, to swap cards (I have taken apart my iMac, replaced the HD, cleaned the fans, checked parts/connections, pulled the screen, unscrewed the mother board and pulled it out to inspect capacitors, replaced the logic board battery, etc...) is not so easy. You will actually have to disassemble a large portion of the machine and be prepared for a little heartache. I would say a first timer with technical ability will be in there for about 2 hours start to finish. Though two hours is for someone who is somewhat familiar with the iMac innards. If you go this route, allot yourself several hours of worry free, pressure free time. Ground yourself and eliminate all static electricity. The HD replacement should take all of about 10 minutes. The RAM about 2 minutes. I have no doubt that the performance of the machine will improve with the following:
Fast HD with lots of cache....I use a seagate 7200 32MB cache and it runs MUCH faster than the original (with only 8gb of cache I believe). The seagate 2 TB drive with 64MB of cache flies....my buddy replaced this in his first gen aluminum iMac.
The RAM is the next best improvement to the machine. Snow Leopard and Aperture require the full 3GB you can install to work best.
The next is a tip for 6.1 users: Aperture runs best when the only program open on these machines. Not to say it will not work with other programs running; but do not expect to be working in a virtual machine, reading mail, browsing the web, ripping a movie and running APerture together at the same time with great results.
The graphics card is the next big improvement. It will help you browse through photos full screen quicker and some types of edits of photos are faster, though I have to say, for my work I do not find this to slow me down in my work flow. Interestingly, I ran lightroom 3 beta on my 7300gt and edits were instant fast. For now, I slide the adjustment and the results appear fairly quickly. Again, I have no complaints with this new fix. Your timing re:10.6.4 is impeccable.

Aperture vs Lightroom: any head-to-head comparisons/reviews?

I've spent a good deal of time looking for a head-to-head comparison of Apple's Aperture and Adobe's Lightroom and haven't been able to find anything. Can anyone point to to something?
I'm an amateur photographer who is progressing toward semi-professional (from a hobby standpoint anyway). I've been thinking about "upgrading" from iPhoto to Aperture or Lightroom. I've downloaded the demos of both but at this point I'm a little overwhelmed at figuring out which I like better (I know it's ultimately my decision, but would like to see some sort of comparison of the two). I use Photoshop Elements, but tend to be a bit of an Apple fanboy, so am leaning toward Aperture.
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You’ll also learn how Aperture and Lightroom fit in with your existing tools ranging from raw converters to digital asset managers such as Microsoft iView Media Pro and Extensis Portfolio. You’ll discover when it makes sense to perform image manipulation within Aperture and Lightroom, and when you’ll need to turn to a higher-end image manipulation program, such as Photoshop, for advanced adjustments.
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Export aperture to lightroom

Please help, I have wasted so many weeks and hours trying to Export my 44,000, 270 GB image library from Aperture over to Lightroom . It's a nightmare! Nothing works.
First I tried using the built in Aperture importer inside lightroom. It take 8 days to transfer 25% , then it crashed. I did see that it had preserved project structure and keywords. I was storing my masters on a separate toshiba 3.0 bus drive.
I then started a new catalog in Lightroom and tried all over again, this time with a Thunderbolt 2TB drive. The inbuilt aperture import plugin started off a lot more promising, much faster, but after 4 hours of only 5% it seemed to slow down. I cancelled the process. I hoped that I can break it down into smaller chunks by running the plugin again, hoping that Lightroom would be able to detect duplicates and not import them.
However, it did not let me run the plugin a second time.
I have now paid for and downloaded a third party programme called Aperture Exporter. When I ran it however, it seemed to come up with so many errors (not imported CR2 or mov files, for example) that it was hardly worth the try. Need my money back
The next thing I tried was just exporting one project (march photostream, with 800 images) to my desktop in a folder. That also seemed to have an error or two, but when I imported into LIghtroom, it seemed not to recognise that there was already a 2015 folder there, so it put the images losely in date subfolders, but not in the pre-existing year 2015! ARRGHHH!!!! So I don't think it recognised duplicates (but I'm not sure yet).
What am I to do>??? I just want my photos in one place!!! Not Photos, not Aperture, but LIGHTROOM!!!!
It should not be this difficult - i dont even care anymore about my aperture keywords, edits or anythihg - just the dates going into the right places so I can sort it all out again in Lightroom.
What is a CR2 file anyway.
Please help advise me on the workflow I should be following, which plugin I should try with again, or how to do it manually but quickly. I have very little time!!!

From an Aperture point of view this is quite simple: Export your images to the Finder, write any metadata you prefer to the images on export, at whatever setting you choose.
https://documentation.apple.com/en/aperture/usermanual/index.html#chapter=21%26s ection=1%26tasks=true
has details of that process.
All you say about Aperture problems is:
The next thing I tried was just exporting one project (march photostream, with 800 images) to my desktop in a folder. That also seemed to have an error or two,
I'm not sure what help you expect with a problem described as vaguely as "an error or two".
what to do about my workflow - should I be trying to export folder by folder from Aperture? Exporting Versions?
I exported project by project from Aperture. Then imported to Lightroom. There is no right way, there is only the way that you want to do.
Same with exporting versions or originals. No right answer. It's what you prefer.
As for errors, what are they?

Aperture to Lightroom Export/Import question

For those who have done the Aperture - Lightroom move (for whatever reason), did you use the built-in Aperture to Lightroom importer that I understand is part of of LR5 or did you use a third-party exporter like Aperture Exporter?
What were your reasons for your choice? My Aperture library is around 68,000 photos, but only around 3,000 show up when I check as "adjusted", so my main concern is trying to maintain some semblance of my folder structure and things like keywords, ratings, etc.
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I tried the plug-in (got a trial version of LR5) and after making sure that my entire Aperture Library was referenced, started it - and made sure to tell it to leave the files where they were! To my dismay (1) a lot of photos that I would have expected to be imported came back with errors - even though the ORF Olympus RAW file was a supported camera and more importantly (2) a lot of my photos that were in particular folders, now found themselves in folders based upon the date the photo was either taken or imported into Aperture. Now I read about this - but it is only supposed to happen if you had a managed library and then LR would move the image files into folders based upon dates.
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I am now trying with an application called Aperture Exporter (they have a trial version, but it has limitations on how many photos it will import) and it seems to be handling the export much better. It is keeping my folder structure intact, keeping my metadata (mainly keywords) and any photo that had adjustments in Aperture applied it gives you the option of exporting the original RAW/JPEG file along with a copy of the adjusted one - either as a JPEG or TIFF. Only "issue" would be that you have to have enough hard drive space to duplicate - at least initially - your entire photo library. Don't see an issue to do the export one folder or project at a time (at least not in the demo version).

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I have Photoshop Elements 10 and number of plugins, like Topaz Labs ones. I have also just acquired Lightroom. I do want to get CS5 eventually but that is not in the near future.
I am thinking of getting Nik Software's Complete Collection. It does not support Elements 10, but it does support Lightroom. So solution seems easy, just use it in Lightroom. That solution could also result in $200 saving as edition that includes support for Photoshop and Lightroom is right now $399 while one that supports just Lightroom (and Aperture but that is not of relevance to me as I am a Windows user) is $199.
However, I do not want to lose benefits of other plugins I have so going with solely Lightroom edition means increased going back and forth between Photoshop and Lightroom.
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I’ve not used Nik Software but have used Lightroom and PSE together and the two programs integrate well. If Elements was already installed Lightroom should automatically recognize it as your external editor otherwise you need to set up external handling in Lightroom preferences.
I assume any changes made in Lightroom with a Nik plug in will register as part of the Lightroom Develop settings. Is that how it should work?
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2) Image opens automatically in PSE Editor
3) Do further editing in PSE and press Ctrl+S to save an overwrite the Lightroom export copy. Click OK
4) Press Ctrl+W to close the saved PSD file which automatically updates the Lightroom thumbnail.
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Aperture vs Lightroom Color Renderign

Like many I have downloaded the Lightroon beta to stack against Aperture. It is an interesting excercise to run the two side by side on a 30" screen. Takes a bit of grunt.....
I have a question that maybe someone can answer:
If I open the same image (either RAW or JPEG) in both Lightroom and Aperture, and ensure that all auto editing is turned off (I think!) there is a MAJOR difference in the color rendering of the same image between the two applications. I have to say that Lightroom seems to be doing a MUCH better job on flesh tones than Aperture. But why are they different???
An explanation, would be greatly appreciated.
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I think I am doing better than that. In the small cog menu at the top of the Aperture adjustments pane there is a menu option 'Remove All Adjustments' which I select prior to comparison. Likewise in LIghtroom there is a Reset button bottom right corner of the Develop pane. I would point out however that even pressing this reset button produces a different color rendering than that in the Library area of Lightroom. I therefore see THREE raw states
1.Lightroom Library
2. Lightroom Develop (with reset pressed)
3. Aperture Master Image.
This used to be a problem with the likes of iView Media Pro in that it was not color managed but both Aperture and Lightroom are color managed and yet producing completely different renderings of color.
Chris

Aperture to LightRoom conversion

I'm a potential buyer of LR but one thing that is holding me back is the prospect of manually trying to load my images from aperture to LR. My library contains around 10k images so I suspect its not a large one compared to others but the prospect of recreating my folders/categories and re-importing them never mind reapplying the editing (if I export the masters) is a daunting task one of which I'm not quite ready for.
Is there a migration path from aperture to Lightroom either from Adobe or third party?
TIA
Mike

I just moved my images from Aperture to LR beta and the method I used took a little work but it went very smoothly, which is what I care about.
First, I created a folder structure that mirrored my Aperture folders (Project > Folder > Album).
Next, I selected all images in each Aperture album and relocated the masters to the corresponding folders I created in the first step.
Then, I imported them into LR.
It all went pretty smoothly but it took a little time. I should say I only have about 6K images in my managed library with about 15 -30 images per album so a collection of tens of thousands will no doubt be a big pain using the same procedure.
One weird thing happened though. When I started using LR everything was crisp and responsive but after importing ALL of my images LR was so darn slow I had to force the app to quit and restart my machine. I mean the thing just ground to a halt even after I forced LR to quit.
SO, on a hunch I went back into Aperture and deleted everything. All the projects, folders, and albums. Then I went back to LR and the thing was fast. No problem opening any files, switching modules, making adjustments, etc.
I have no idea if the leftover file references in Aperture caused a problem but after they were gone all was/is good.
For reference my machine is a 17" MacBook Pro Core Duo w/2GB ram.

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