MBP 2011 or MBP 2012?

First time here, please bare with me. So I've alway been a PC but now that my hard drive has failed I really want to get a Mac. The new MBP retina 2012 just came out and I have been waiting for it since the release of MBP 2011 (because I waited for my PC to stop working then get a new one). However, I have been hearing that if you had a MBP 2011 then it's not worth the upgrade. So if it's not worth the upgrade then why buy it and not just get the MBP 2011? The MBP 2012 is as expensive as the MBP 2011 2.6 GHz and it doesn't have the ethernet port or optical drive which I would like to have. I know that there is the ethernet- USB cord but that just takes up a USB port and I would have to buy it. Apple being apple I know it will be expensive. Also, wouldn't it just be a retina display upgrade and not much more? I don't know too much about the hardware but what I've read is that the hardware of the MBP 2012 is difficult to fix or upgrade and you would end up having to buy a new on if things didn't work out. They're so expensive I would only like to buy one.
I'm really not sure what to do. I'm thinking that I should get the MBP 2012 because it's a upgrade and since I will be keeping it forever. I need to make a decision before I start school again. Please help. Is the MBP 2012 worth it with it being so new and there are still bugs/kinks for it to be worked out? Or should I just get the MBP 2011 at the same price?

The newly released line has both the macbook pro and the macbook pro with retina display. You can buy the macbook pro (non retina version to lower the bottom line) and still enjoy the benefits of the new 2.6 quad core processor (if you are comparing the 15") and configuring your hardrive as needed/ affordable. The non retina version can be upgraded in the future but your buying as much computer as your budget allows. You also get the thunderbolt connection (1), usb 3, firewire, superdrive, ethernet (if any of those things you are currently using) ......puts you in a good position as things continue to change. Which they will. If upgradability is an important factor than the non retina may be a consideration.
I personally am trying to determine whether I can live without the firewire and drive, while determining the value of the newely added HDMI the retina has to offer.
Good luck.

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I travel internationally for work and on the go constantly which is why I went for the MBAir to lighten the weight.
Now with the newest MBP and the new iPad I'm questioning whether to move into an entirely new direction.
Do I sell the current MacBooks and get a new MBP maybe with an SSD and or supplement with an iPad?
Even without all the other considerations between the different MacBooks and iPad. I can't seem to find anywhere what the weight of a new MBP would be with an SSD instead of HD. Would the weight difference be that much between the 2 different drives? Since this is the first time the MBP has been offered with the SSD I'm not sure of the differences deep inside.
Any help is greatly appreciated.
I know we all have to change with the times, but now Apple is coming out with so many different products at the same time you never know which direction to move. That doesn't even consider what they might do with the iPhone5 ...

I have faced the same dilemma.
I travel a lot. For certain trips, I just use my MacBook Air. For me, I just did not want my "main" computer to face all the risks associated with travel.
As for the iPad, I love mine, but, for travel, it just does not cut it. I need to be able to access, store, and edit documents on my iPad. For me, the MacBook Air has been the best solution.
My advice would be to have a MacBook Pro, with a traditional hard drive, and a MacBook Air for travel.
Having a SSD in my MacBook Pro is very tempting, but the cost and unproven long-term reliability of SSD just push me away.
Once Mac OS X Lion is released, I know that I will revisit my views on SSD, but, for now, traditional hard drives are still the best.
I hope that this helps!
Good luck, and let us know.

Migration mbp 2011 to mbp 2013 both mavericks

Have connected a thunderbolt Cale to do the migration but it says 5 hours, is this normal?
I thought an hour or two at most? Am I doing something stupid?

Hello phil274,
Thanks for using Apple Support Communities.
For more information on this, take a look at:
OS X: How to migrate data from another Mac using Mavericks
http://support.apple.com/kb/HT5872?viewlocale=en_US
the Migration Assistant transfers your files to your new Mac. The amount of time that it takes for migration to complete depends on the amount of data being copied.
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I've bought an 240 GB SSD with SATA III interface. The SATA controller detects the device correctly and sets up a 6Gbit/s connection.
With this set up my system - and according to many public postings many other systems, too - experience temporary failures of the connection, i.e. the system repeatedly stops sending data over the sata connection. Some information hint that the SATA cable doesn't support 6Gbit/s because it's not shielded well.
I would like to solve this issue by limiting the SATA-sped to 3Gbit/s. This should be possible somehow...
Does anybody know how to configure the SATA-controller to set up a SATA II / 3Gbit/s connection to the SSD?
Thanks in advance!

This article (in German) describes a thorough test.
http://www.mactechnews.de/journals/entry/Macbook-pro-2011-und-sata-3-Erfahrung-6 10.html
Another one is
http://forum.hardmac.com/index.php?showtopic=9957
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I hope that limiting the sata controller to 3Gbit/s will solve the problem.
I would prefer this solution over buying a sata II ssd. First, because all modern ssd have sata III support and second, because I will be able to use the ssd when I switch to the MBP 2012 at some time in the future.

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just picked up a canon 7d and use a 27" apple led (non-thunderbold). i use a 13" aluminum macbook (not pro) and going through the large images on the screen can take some time. editing pics in iphoto can be a chore and i'm looking into purchasing aperture. 13" specs are 4gb ram, 7200 rpm HDD.
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do you think it's worth it to upgrade to the 15" retina? if so, will 8gb be enough? or should i get a bto w/ 16gb ram? i had a terrible experience ordering my iphone 5 online and i'm hesitant to order from apple online again, which is why i'd rather purchase in the store. long story short, it took 1 month and several calls on the phone w/ apple to get my refund for the iphone 5, yet couldn't get a new iphone b/c i had to wait for them to refund my money and reverse my upgrade.
i just for the life of me, wonder why they don't stock any 16gb ram retina's in the store...but i digress...
just some background, i'm just starting out w/ photography and picked it up as a hobby. trying to find out which is a good (not too pricey) software to organize and edit photos. some magazine i read suggested aperture.

I've been (amongst other things) a semi-pro photographer in my life and although now I just pursue it part-time annd as a hobbiest, I think that I've adjusted well to using RAW image files (love Lightroom - have never tried Aperture) and a real computer workflow for my photography.
I have a late 2011 15" MBP purchased in March of 2012 and I love it. Wouldn't even consider moving to a Retina model at this time. I also have the 27" Apple Thunderbolt Display, calibrated using a Spyder4Elite, that I use 90% of the time so, for me, the Retina display would just be a waste.
The nice thing about the non-Retina models is that you can upgrade to 16GB yourself, as well as replace the HD with a larger HD or an SSD. I've 16GB of RAM installed and various Thunderbolt, FW800 and USB drives attached. The only problem that I forsee with the 27" Cinema Display model is that you're going to have to 'give up' the single TB port on the non-Retina model for your Display. With the Retina model, you have two TB ports and you could use one for your display and the other for TB drives, hubs, etc.
If I were you, I'd look closely at both the specs of both machines, the upgradeability of both machines and a side-by-side comparison of both at an Apple Store. There are pros and cons of each, for you.
Good luck on your quest!
Clinton

Best Mini Display to DVI adapter for 2011 17" MBP w/no blocked ports!

I am looking to get a Mini Display to DVI adapter for my 2011 17" MBP.
+(Preferably it would even be one with a 6' cord.)+
It is not clear which one I should buy. Apple's (adapter only, no cord), is $30, while I can see others for far less on Amazon.
I have read that some of these adapters actually block the FW800 and USB ports on either side.
A blocked, or displaced FW800 port is a deal breaker.
1. Can someone with a 2011 17" MBP tell me that they have either one of these adapters, or the one with the cord, and that it doesn't block their FW800 port? (I'll pay the $30 (albeit grudgingly) if its the only one that works.)
2. This may be a dumb question, but the specs on these adapters say that they are capable of 1080p resolution. Would that mean they would work with a 1920x1200 monitor?

You might want to try the "MBP Display" discussion threads, might be able to find what you are looking for in there or get better support there.
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Final cut pro x - lion - mbp 2011 2.0 15 - not responding at all since latest update. Can't open or edit projects, loading window that pops us when you click the app (as it loads) does not go away, says loading compressor support. Have tried reinstalling

final cut pro x - lion - mbp 2011 2.0 15 - not responding at all since latest update. Can't open or edit projects, loading window that pops us when you click the app (as it loads) does not go away, says loading compressor support, paralyzed. Have tried reinstalling, default settings etc
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Process:         Final Cut Pro [20568]
Path:            /Applications/Final Cut Pro.app/Contents/MacOS/Final Cut Pro
Identifier:      com.apple.FinalCut
Version:         10.0.1 (185673)
Build Info:      ProEditor-185670300~1
App Item ID:     424389933
App External ID: 4138831
Code Type:       X86-64 (Native)
Parent Process: launchd [102]
Date/Time:       2011-11-11 20:41:32.201 -0800
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Report Version: 9
Interval Since Last Report:          192058 sec
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Per-App Crashes Since Last Report:   14
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My MBP 2011 can't detect microphone, why?

My internal microphone works perfectly fine but when I insert an external microphone, my MBP fails to detect it. When I go to System Preferences>Sound>Input, nothing changes in the "Line In" area when I plug in my microphone. When I try to speak into my microphone, it's not picking up any sound at all. My headphone port works fine.
NOTE: My MBP 2011 went in for a logic board replacement/repair 2 weeks ago at an Apple Store. Is it possible this microphone issue is caused by a logic board problem?

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lVZ8Ko-nss4
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Line_level

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Try System Preferences>Keyboard and UNCHECK 'Automatically illuminate keyboard in low light'.
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Is it possile to transport a MBP 2011 in standby mode in a business trolley on wheels or can this damage the HDD?
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