MBP C2D 17" - Fans Getting on my Nerves

The fan noise on my laptop is driving me insane, not because it is loud - it is actually very quiet but it keeps changing in loudness, even when the computer is sitting idle on desktop.
One second the fan will be fairly quiet and then suddenly it will go a bit louder for 10 seconds and then quiet again or something like that. I wouldn't mind, even if it was loud and it stayed like it but it is really getting to me when I am working in a quiet room and it goes loud, then quieter. And it seems to click in between which I think is the hard disk telling them to start.
Anyone know what could be causing this as it is driving me up the wall?
Thanks

I get the exact same thing. This is my second C2D and am loathe to return it as I am writing up my thesis. But like u it really gives me the irrates. Furthermore when backing up my files to disc the fans start blasting away. Overall I must say that the Intel experience for me has not been good at all.

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Anybody gonna cancel order for 17"MBP C2D if shipping gets delayed again?

Just wondering if anybody else will want to cancel their order if our "updated" shipping date estimate is pushed back again. This is my first Apple (not including my ipod) and it has been a bad experience so far. I was looking forward to my new mac world but right now my trusty PC is looking better and better. If the delay was for something other than supply issues I might not want to get on this sinking ship.

I feel your pain...I ordered the new MBP C2D then cancelled the order, because I wanted to wait for some more feedback. I had ordered a custom configuration and when I called Apple to hold the shipment until I was got back to them they said that normally they won't do that and with it being a custom config it was not returnable. If i cancelled before shipment I would be able to in essence get a refund but in that case I wasn't even being billed for it since they don't charge the credit card until it is shipped. this all happened last night (sunday). I was made aware that if it were shipped anyway because it had already been built I could still return it for a refund since I had made the decision and it is on file with Apple before fedex got their hands on it.
fast forward to this morning.....Fedex got it before Apple pulled it from the loading dock......in the end, I don't really mind the situation. I will just drop it back at fedex. apple didn't pressure me into keeping it and even helped me expedite the return. I also don't need a replacement computer, so I am not in a bind.
Also, I guess, it i needed a new 'puter I would be ****** off with the delay....on the other hand, I would anticipate any delays or problems if I needed a new one.
good luck and hang in there....you won't be disappointed (i hope)
Eric

15 " MBP C2D fans running at full speed all the time

hi
just purchased new MBP C2D 15 inch, the fans are running all the time at full speed (or at least sound noisy).
i know there were several updates on earlier machines but none for this one that i can see.
SMC Version: 1.12f5.
any idea's please.
thanks

A very reasonable thought although it's clearly not DOA. Nor do we know whether it was bought as a CTO or not. The requirements for classing a system DOA are very clear and this system, while possibly not operating correctly, certainly is not a DOA.
I would however make every effort to determine the cause of the problem. Potentially the issue can be caused through software and no fault of Apple. Being able to quantify an issue does go a long way to resolving it.

Fan doesn't turn off after shut down on 15" MBP C2D

The fan on my 2-day old MBP C2D stays on even after shut down. The speed of the fan even changes. 3 hours after I shut down the fan was still spinning. I pulled the battery and pressed the power button to reset the SMC. As soon as I put the battery back in the fan immediately started spinning again. I didn't even power it on. When I do power it on the fan stops.
My Macbook Pro is actually noisier when it's off than when it's powered on. Has anyone else encountered this. Hopefully there's an easy fix, I don't want to have to leave it with the Apple Store.

A stab in the dark but have you tried resetting PRAM and NVRAM…
http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=2238
… and the System Management Controller…
http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=303319
… ?

Problem: DVD-RAM can no longer be read on MBP C2D

The "MATSHITA DVD-R UJ-857D" in my MacBook Pro C2D is said to have read (but not write) support for DVD-RAM media.
During the first few weeks of its lifetime, reading DVD-RAMs definitely worked. But now, no more, no matter what brand of media I try.
All other types of optical media continue to work as advertised (read and write).
I wonder whether this is a physical defect (but then why doesn't it affect other types of media?) or an issue caused by recent sopftware updates (but when I boot from an external DVD-drive using the very original MacOS DVD with no updates at all, why do I still not get read support on the internal drive?).
AFAIK there has not been any recent firmware update for this model. So what can be the reason? Should I let Apple swap the drive? Has anyone else observed the same issue?
Guido
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Hey Grant,
thought you'd like to know my "cleaning the lens with a cloth" worked fine - uh... but for about three days only, then back to the same old, same old.
I'd originally slid a business card covered with a lens cleaning cloth (from my camera bag) to clean the lens, and although the cloth emerged mostly pristine, I figured it must've done the trick as the drive started working again.
So this time, I decided to go in deeper. I actually took the whole drive apart - case off, drive out, drive dismantled - and I had a long look around to see if any parts looked dirty or damaged...
I found just one thing - the small silver rod on which the read/write head travels (the servomechanism that moves up and down the disc radius as it reads/writes) had some 'oily gunk' at the point where the travelling-head's 'sleeve' met it - when I tried to move the head manually up and down the rod, it sort of staggered along. So I cleaned off the gunk with a cotton bud and then slid the drive-head up and down a few times 'till it seemed to run freely.
Put everything back - and fired up my Mac Pro. And the drive has been 100% fine since then - two whole weeks!
Maybe this time I've cracked it? (for my drive at least)
Roger

My MBP temperature and fan speed

Hi,
My problem is that my MBP seems to be getting rather hot (the F panel at the top, and underneath in particular).
I used to notice when I used skype video that the fans spun a little faster and it seemed to keep my MBP at reasonable temperatures. But recently its getting very hot (almost untouchable) and the fans aren't spinning faster to offput the higher temperatures.
I installed smcFanControl2 and it showed my fans running at 1000 rpm while my CPU temperature was about 62 degrees Celsius. I've looked around the forums here and most people seem to be reporting a normal idle speed of about 2000 rpm, so thats the first thing that struck me as odd, as I'm not even using any particularly CPU intensive apps. I used Activity Monitor to check.
I then used smcFanControl2 to up my fan speed to 4000, and it ducked underneath 50 degrees celsius, so I reduced the fan speed back to 2060 (couldn't select exactly 2000) and now its running at about 53 degrees (I'm running system profiler, console, skim, textedit, itunes, mail, and finder right now). This seems to be a much more normal temperature, and I can barely even hear the fans.
*Now my question:*(thanks for sticking with me so far): Shouldn't my MBP automatically have upped the fan speeds to keep my CPU temperature at a reasonable 50 degrees or so? Or is the cutoff point higher and I've just never noticed before? Also, is there a program (like smcFanControl2) perhaps that I can use to set a particular temperature I want to keep my MBP at and it will automatically set the fan speed to keep it at that temp?
NB, I recently swapped my 1 GB of Apple memory for 2 GB of Crucial memory. I'm assuming this might have bumped the temperatures up a little bit but I definitely found my MBP was warmer than usual even before the upgrade.
Thanks for any replies!

sternkanz,
In general, the upper operating limit for all Macbook Pros is in the 80-90 C range. In other words, the cut-off point is higher than you think, and you just haven't noticed it. The EFI firmware and PMU is designed to managed the fans such that 80-85 C is about as hot as the CPU gets, but of course, they (the fans) ramp up a bit earlier and slightly higher temps are not just possible, but common.
Adding the additional memory may be a contributing factor, but not by much. Certainly, having a second DIMM in place moves the heat being produced by the RAM (considerable, BTW) closer to the bottom of the Macbook Pro's case, and therefore adds to the heat you'll feel underneath. And, just having more RAM will marginally increase the amount of power your Macbook Pro uses; more power equals more heat.
In the end, this is all normal, and I don't see that you have anything to worry about.
Scott

Bad routers w/MBP C2D

OK, the other thread related to this topic:
(http://discussions.apple.com/thread.jspa?threadID=403194&tstart=0)
is getting kind of convoluted with too much stuff that does not belong in there.
So I am starting this new thread, as well as a thread of GOOD routers that work ok. When posting, only post your router that IS NOT working with the Mac Book Pro Core 2 Duo via wireless, and it's model number. NOTHING ELSE!
The thread for good routers is here:
http://discussions.apple.com/thread.jspa?threadID=740399
I will start with the first reply...

Apple airport extreme base station 5.7 and airport express 6.3, WPA2 personal, randomly drop connections and fluctuate signal strength (15-5 bars).
My first mbp c2d which I shipped back and a new replacement mbp c2d (pure apple software out of the box osX 10.4.8 + 2006-007 patch, no 3rd party, no data transfered from an old pbG4) randomly drop connections (can easily re-establish, thou) and the signal strength fluctuates between 15 and 5 bars, which cuts the average download speed by 50% (e.g. 4Mbit/s)compared with an old pbG4 which (on the same network) never drops connections and is on average faster (10 Mbit/s ) when close (~3 yards) to AEBS or AE.
In a larger distance (~45 feet) from AEBS the mbp c2d has better signal and download speed than pbG4.
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What type of wireless router w/new MBP C2D??

I have a new 17" C2D MBP on order and I would like to sort out my wireless home network before it arrives...
As I am new to the wireless world, I do not understand what wireless router would work for this new MBP. I have read about it having 802.11g technology, but I have also seen something about N technology... my local computer shop says that they don't have N technology yet, but will soon.
What is this all about? Is 802.11g G technology? What do I get to have wireless internet access with my new MBP at home?

If you have the MBP C2D and you would like to get a wireless router. I suggest that you get a 802.11n router, as it works for both 802.11b, 802.11g as well as 802.11n. It is common knowledge by now that the wireless card that is used in the MBP with the C2D is an Atheros AR5008 802.11n. Though it is recognized as an 802.11g in the current OSX 10.4, this wireless card has the possibility of being used at its native state of 802.11n. What does this mean to you? Well, the 802.11n is ~ 650% faster than 802.11g and has about 5X the range of it as well. Though 10.4 does not recognize the card as such, windows vista will (that is if you plan on installing it onto the system) and OSX 10.5 might (I don't if Apple, will support draft N [802.11n] of the new wireless standard, even though they put a wireless card in the system that is a Draft N card). So get a wireless router that uses 802.11n. It'll save you money in the future.
Ok, now I'm done explaining why you should get the 802.11n router. Now, as for those who might say otherwise. If you think the 802.11n draft standard is going to change much from now, until the standard is finalized, then you may or may not be right. But from what my professor explained to me about how the technology works, it probably won't change that much. If I were to explain it to anyone on this board about how the standard works, it would be a hopeless matter unless you have taken classes in state variables or control systems. But I guess there are more than enough resources online to find out about how the Draft N standard works. And that is my 2 cents.

Can't Remove Office 2004 Test Drive from new MBP C2D.

I received my new MBP C2D yesterday. I'm trying to remove Office 2004 Test Drive so I can install the full version. When I run the the Remove Office application it posts a log on the desktop that indicates that it located the Office 2004 Test Drive folder, but when I get to the Results page of the Remove Office application it does not show me the option to remove the folder. When I click continue it says: "You have not chosen to remove any Microsoft Office items." Has anyone else run into this problem? Is there any other way to remove the Test Drive? Please help!

I installed the office 2004 software, and at the end of the installation it will give you the option to uninstall the test drive software. Good luck.

Anyone with a 17" MBP C2D having AirPort issues?

Most of the reports I've seen of people having issues with their MBP C2D and AirPort have the 15" MBP C2D (myself included.)
Has anyone with the 17" MBP C2D had issues, or is it isolated to the 15"?

Hi William
I had a 2.33 15"MBP 2.33and had no probelm with the airport reception (until security update 2006-007 was installed - I erased and reinstalled to get rid of the update and my machine went back to working fine.) Apple have released an update for Airport on the 15". So using software update the machine installed the airport update first, then installed security update 2006-007. Airport worked great.
Due to an excessively grainy display, my reseller allowed me to return the 15" and upgrade it to the 17". Again, this machine has had absolutely no airport issues. Connects full signal to whatever network I have attempted to connect to without issue.
So, I have had both a 15" and a 17", neither of them have had any airport issues, other than the one mentioned above in regards security update 2006-007 on the 15", but Apple did launch an Airport update which fixed this.

Slow MBP C2D vs Macbook CD

Hi,
I have a MBP C2D bought brand new in Nov 06 (120GB hardrive) and a MB C2 bought brand new in Sep 06 (60GB hardrive). I have 2GB ram in the MBP and 1GB ram in the MB.
I've had months and months to try them both and it seems over and over that the MB is screaming way faster than the MBP. It's very weird. Even my friend who has a MBP (Core Duo, not C2D w/ 2GB ram) was commenting on how much the MB is faster than his MBP.
I'm sure the definition of 'fast' depends on what you're doing, but for most of what i do, is just surf, open word, itunes, and iphoto. the MB opens each app much faster, is super quick to open finder, reboots and starts from cold very quiclkly (blue bar is visible for only 2-3 seconds).
my mbp takes longer to boot and the blue bar is visible for the entire 'space' (4 inches?)...sometimes this takes over 10 seconds.
did I get a MBP lemon? I mean, my MBP gets the job done just fine, it's just very STRANGE that it's getting smoked by a machine w/ an older chip w/ half the memory and half the hard drive size.
Oh, both HD's are about 40% free.
The Macbook just feels much 'zippier'. Has anyone else noticed this?
I've tried the apple store in SF, Walnut Creek, and Stoneridge and it's a bit tougher to gauge on the displays (probably from all the use).
I feel like a I have a Macbook anti-lemon...it's a lemon in the complete opposite direction!

I have a MacBook Core2Duo 2.0Ghz, and a MacBook Pro Core2Duo 2.33 Ghz, and I don't notice the MacBook being faster than the MBP. Both have 2G of RAM, and in ordinary use, I can't detect any speed difference.
You could run Xbench on both, and see if there's any glaring difference compared against other similar systems.

PB AL 15 to MBP C2D not going well

Tried using Migration Assistant but old PB G4 Al 15" 1.33Ghz always froze as Target Disk on any transfer over 5GB (all that mattered). So moved stuff manually, so no big wonder I'm hosed now.
Please spare me the "wipe it and start over" stuff, installing all the apps & pwd's from scratch will be last resort only, and I manage >60 G4 & G5 Macs at work that will soon migrate to Intel so I need to know how to fix things.
So new MBP 15.4" 2.33Ghz is fine except for:
1. MBP goes online fine at work (web, POP mail, whatever) but typing 1 character into any text field like Google or banks or anything freezes Safari instantly with BBOD. Firefox is fine. Unable to re-install any Java software update or 10.4.8 combo update
2. At home old PB & MBP will connect to Belkin FD7230-4 wire & 802.11g gateway router fine (wireless or wired), can ARD & fileshare fine between them, Network pref's show "connected to network 'xyzap'. ..connected to Internet via Airport (or Ethernet, or both)" but the new MBP can only get RSS feeds (with Safari but NOTHING with Firefox, web sites get "ur not connected 2 internet" [Safari] and "Server not found" [Firefox] nor POP mail for that matter, haven't tried FTP yet..)
x. Why does Migration Assistant fail with target locking up? Tried DU & DW repairs, no luck. On manual moves there were a few files that would kill transfers with "can't read or write" type errors, moving them separately by themselves or deleting got past that.
*** does this tell us? Need some help here.
Thx, dh

Not much attitude about m&a (migration assistant?), but about these forums, I never get any help here.
On about the 5th wipe and install try used ma after install instead of during (not the 1st time trying that way) and it left a log file on desktop (never did b4) which pointed to the mail.app files that were the culprits, deleted them, wiped & installed again and success moving 1 home directory.
That said it seems clear from posts elsewhere that there are issues with "can't read or write" issues. The G4 PB had no problem with the files in question.
And as to internet connections, also obvious from posts elswhere that there r issues with MBP C2D's and wireless gateway routers (NetGear, Linksys, D-link & Belkin (I have Belkin F5D7230-4US8.01.07, what a POS, worked with a couple all day at work trying to set up WDS / bridging, when their "tech support" hung up on me in 1st 5 seconds with 2nd level guy I threw 'em back to wally world). Dug a bit deeper tonight, plugged the MBP straight into cox cable modem again, no luck again UNTIL reboot cable modem then joy.
So reran AirPortUpdate2006002.dmg but no joy. kaka. So anyway gonna mark this 1 done and post over at "Getting Online & Networking" to see if the help there is any better.
peace, -d

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The big differene between the 2.16Ghz and 2.33Ghz is the 128mb vs 256mb Video Ram. Does anyone have any details/ideas on if you can increase the Video Ram post purchase?

I purchased a week 46 MBP C2D just the other day - it's the 2.16 model with 128mb of vram. I was worried about the vram issue and called the Apple store - one person told me it was soldered - - another person said it was upgradeable - I am pretty sure it is soldered to the board and not upgradeable after looking at ifixit.com's guide they state it after they get the motherboard out of the new Macbook Pros.
I am wondering if I will miss the 256 of vram - but my games still seem to run fine so far... (only Unreal Tournament '04 & Second Life)

MBP C2D won't print through AirPort

Sorry to be redundant, but I can't find a sufficient answer in the discussion.
Our new MacBook Pro Core 2 Duo easily gets onto our AirPort network. And the MBP sees our printers, so it was able to add them. All works well, except that whenever we try to print, the MBP indicates successful printing (and lists the job as completed), but nothing comes out of the printer.
An HP LaserJet 2550 is connected to an AirPort Extreme via USB (WAN is connected to a cable modem and LAN is connected to our older iMac), and a new Canon iP4300 is connected to an AirPort Express (via USB). The new MBP can see both and pretends to print to them, but no luck. I have checked "Share these printers with other computers" (though I didn't need to have that checked before) and all worked fine.
I understand Intel-based Macs act differently in some cases.

It's 2pm here too!!
Didn't realise!!
Yes. It works through the USB ports.
Thanks again for your help!
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MBP C2D - no wireless networks show up: possible soultion

If you can't see any wireless networks, one possible solution is to change the channel of the network.
I've got a quite old Netgear MR314 wireless (802.11b) router. Yesterday I got my Macbook Pro C2D and tried to get connected to my wireless home network. Airport was turned on, but no wireless networks showed up in the list. My Ibook could access my network just fine. I tried to disable all wireless security such as WEP and access control based on the MAC address of the Airport card, but it didn't help. Sometimes I even saw some neighbor's network, but not my own.
Today I logged in to the setup page of the Netgear router and played around with channel setting. By default it was set to 1. Channel 2 didn't work, but when I tried channel 6 or 11 (didn't try all of them), my network showed up in the list and I now get full reception!
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I had the same problem, turned out my airport card inside the macbook was fried. Apple replaced it and while they were doing it they fried my MB and RAM. So after 2 days I have pretty much a new computer. Buy the extended warranty.

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