MBP C2D Question

I am about to make the leap from Windows to Mac -- and I am very excited about it. I spend half my day reading through the forums and trying to decide what I am going to get.
My question is this...
I want to go with a 15" MBP with the C2D processor.
I would like to do some entry level video editing, etc. Nothing too 'professional'.
I am torn between the 2.16 and the 2.33 models.
$500 is a big difference, and I am trying to determine if the 2.33 is worth it.
If I were to go with the 2.16 I would upgrade to 2 gigs of ram...the only thing I am worried about is the video card (with only 128mb of ram vs 256 on the 2.33).
Is it worth the extra money to get the 2.33, or should I just get the 2.16 and upgrade the memory...
Thanks in advnace for all the help!!
I can't wait!! No more blue screens of death from MS!

Hi Steven,
This weekend I used iMovie to import and edit archived VHS footage for an upcoming conference presentation. The 2.16 C2D MBP was very responsive while editing 30 minute tapes at 640x wide resolution. I did not apply anything more exciting than a fade here or and audio patch there, but if this seems comparable to your needs, you are likely to be pleased.
If you are intending to drive a second display, you may want to consult others about their experience with the 256MB video card versus the 128MB. As it was, editing on the native screen was fine.
Note: I installed an extra GB of RAM (2GB total) before getting to work on the project. I can't say how it would perform with the stock 1GB.
Best regards.
MacBookPro- Mac OS X (10.4.8)

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1. That 39% performance improvement.
If you look at it, clock for clock, the speed should
only improve about 8% (2.33/2.16 = 1.08)...4MB cache,
improved pipeline etc. is adding a lot of
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Right, and even 39% improvement won't be noticeable for MOST people. Keep in mind that they are comparing a 2.16 with 2GB Ram versus 2.33 with 3GB ram.
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Yes, it should have been there from the start but now
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On top of that, I get 20GB more HDD, Dual Layer
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Speculation. There's no confirmation of that. For your sake, I sure hope so
Hopefully the thermal design is a little improved so
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The machine will run the same, if not hotter. Increase performance and you increase heat. It's a Portable, not a laptop. I think most companies have moved away from that term all together.
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I found a website showing a MBP next to a Sony Vaio and was just curious if that MBP is the glossy or antiglare.
http://www.computerworld.com/html/macvista/macvistafig1.html
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Hi,
The MacBook uses a pixel density of 114ppi
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MacBook Pro 17' 116 ppi
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Hi.
Its a shame i am writing my first post in a PC machine..but the reason is im going to buy a MBP very soon.
Im going to use the machine for Architecture software (AUTOCAD 2D n 3D running on windows), Adobe creative suite CS2, etc...
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Im going to buy it from the refurbished section and both are very close in the price. U$S1599 for the MBP C2D w/128mb video and U$S1499 for the MBP CD w/256mb video.
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Thx, dh

Not much attitude about m&a (migration assistant?), but about these forums, I never get any help here.
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peace, -d

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During the first few weeks of its lifetime, reading DVD-RAMs definitely worked. But now, no more, no matter what brand of media I try.
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Can a hardrive from a C2D Macbook Pro start an i7 Quad MBP?
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Ho Lee MACkeral wrote:
That CD2 OS will not boot into a new computer's OS.
Hi, thanks for replying.
I knew that the switch to Intel from ppc, meant a ppc drive, partitioned with APM could not boot an intel machine with a GUID partition table.
Do you know:
1. for certain that a C2D HD cannot boot an i7 machine?
2. and why?
Ho Lee MACkeral wrote:
Why not use Migration Assistant in the Utilities folder?
I am planning on doing this.
My old drive was 10.6.5.
The new machine has 10.6.6 pre-installed.
I figured that if I was able to upgrade the old drive to the same OSX first, it would provide a more seamless migration.
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OK, the other thread related to this topic:
(http://discussions.apple.com/thread.jspa?threadID=403194&tstart=0)
is getting kind of convoluted with too much stuff that does not belong in there.
So I am starting this new thread, as well as a thread of GOOD routers that work ok. When posting, only post your router that IS NOT working with the Mac Book Pro Core 2 Duo via wireless, and it's model number. NOTHING ELSE!
The thread for good routers is here:
http://discussions.apple.com/thread.jspa?threadID=740399
I will start with the first reply...

Apple airport extreme base station 5.7 and airport express 6.3, WPA2 personal, randomly drop connections and fluctuate signal strength (15-5 bars).
My first mbp c2d which I shipped back and a new replacement mbp c2d (pure apple software out of the box osX 10.4.8 + 2006-007 patch, no 3rd party, no data transfered from an old pbG4) randomly drop connections (can easily re-establish, thou) and the signal strength fluctuates between 15 and 5 bars, which cuts the average download speed by 50% (e.g. 4Mbit/s)compared with an old pbG4 which (on the same network) never drops connections and is on average faster (10 Mbit/s ) when close (~3 yards) to AEBS or AE.
In a larger distance (~45 feet) from AEBS the mbp c2d has better signal and download speed than pbG4.
MBP C2D 2.33 GHz, PB G4 1.25 GHz titanium; AEBS(5.7), AE(6.3), WPA2-personal Mac OS X (10.4.8) dell m70 pentium M, dell C2D, windows xp pro

Has anyone received MBP C2D 17"?

Has anyone received or at least seen MBP C2D 17"? I called apple store in London and they told me that there is another delay and I should try it in 7 days. Does anyone know what is going on?

How else
would you explain that 15" is here for awhile while
17" is not. Not even for a display purposes.
Something is suspicious here :))
it doesn't seem that strange to me. retooling an assembly line to produce a few hundred models for display purposes which are almost identical (save for the chip) to the previous line doesn't make sense. it's all about money. there is probably more money to be made right now making macbooks and 15 inch macbook pros. they've cranked out some 17s now so that means they've either got a new assembly plant on line or at least have converted some of the lines from a plant formerly making 15s over to the 17s...these kinds of operations changes take a while to make and require considerable planning and commitment to a decision in order for them to make sense, money-wise. anyway, that's my take on it...

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I have a new 17" C2D MBP on order and I would like to sort out my wireless home network before it arrives...
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If you have the MBP C2D and you would like to get a wireless router. I suggest that you get a 802.11n router, as it works for both 802.11b, 802.11g as well as 802.11n. It is common knowledge by now that the wireless card that is used in the MBP with the C2D is an Atheros AR5008 802.11n. Though it is recognized as an 802.11g in the current OSX 10.4, this wireless card has the possibility of being used at its native state of 802.11n. What does this mean to you? Well, the 802.11n is ~ 650% faster than 802.11g and has about 5X the range of it as well. Though 10.4 does not recognize the card as such, windows vista will (that is if you plan on installing it onto the system) and OSX 10.5 might (I don't if Apple, will support draft N [802.11n] of the new wireless standard, even though they put a wireless card in the system that is a Draft N card). So get a wireless router that uses 802.11n. It'll save you money in the future.
Ok, now I'm done explaining why you should get the 802.11n router. Now, as for those who might say otherwise. If you think the 802.11n draft standard is going to change much from now, until the standard is finalized, then you may or may not be right. But from what my professor explained to me about how the technology works, it probably won't change that much. If I were to explain it to anyone on this board about how the standard works, it would be a hopeless matter unless you have taken classes in state variables or control systems. But I guess there are more than enough resources online to find out about how the Draft N standard works. And that is my 2 cents.

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