MBP C2D questions on upgrade

just curious if anyone thinks if there is a big enough difference btwn MBP and the new C2D that would warrant an upgrade.
I am thinking about upgrading and handing down the MBP to my son who has been buggin the heck outta me to give it to him.

1. That 39% performance improvement.
If you look at it, clock for clock, the speed should
only improve about 8% (2.33/2.16 = 1.08)...4MB cache,
improved pipeline etc. is adding a lot of
performance...can't wait to see the SSE benchmarks.
Right, and even 39% improvement won't be noticeable for MOST people. Keep in mind that they are comparing a 2.16 with 2GB Ram versus 2.33 with 3GB ram.
2. FW800
Yes, it should have been there from the start but now
I can access my external storage at full speed
I totally agree with you on this one.
On top of that, I get 20GB more HDD, Dual Layer
Burning,
I bought my external Sony DVDRW DL for $120 last year, and it's still faster and better then any internal. I think the Superdrive update is not noteworthy. 20GB more is great, but consider that external drives are about $.48/1GB... again a nice to have more memory, but really, it would be more cost effective to buy an external drive at 7200rpm
plus I get rid of CPU
whine
Speculation. There's no confirmation of that. For your sake, I sure hope so
Hopefully the thermal design is a little improved so
the machine runs slightly cooler on average.
The machine will run the same, if not hotter. Increase performance and you increase heat. It's a Portable, not a laptop. I think most companies have moved away from that term all together.
The downside is I've owned a MBP for only 3 months
and to 'trade-up' will cost me $1,000 (assuming a
re-sale value of my current machine of around $1.5k??)
Re sale of 1.5K? I think you'd be lucky to get $1200 for a used machine. Unless you know someone personally that will buy that from you, I think you may be overestimating. I don't think the benefit for you is worth your $1000. Your 3 month old computer will not be obsolete any time within the next 3 years so I would upgrade to something more significant... maybe something with a blue ray player, OSX 10.5 (since you will need it for 64 bit), and a licorice dispenser.

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MBP C2D Question

I am about to make the leap from Windows to Mac -- and I am very excited about it. I spend half my day reading through the forums and trying to decide what I am going to get.
My question is this...
I want to go with a 15" MBP with the C2D processor.
I would like to do some entry level video editing, etc. Nothing too 'professional'.
I am torn between the 2.16 and the 2.33 models.
$500 is a big difference, and I am trying to determine if the 2.33 is worth it.
If I were to go with the 2.16 I would upgrade to 2 gigs of ram...the only thing I am worried about is the video card (with only 128mb of ram vs 256 on the 2.33).
Is it worth the extra money to get the 2.33, or should I just get the 2.16 and upgrade the memory...
Thanks in advnace for all the help!!
I can't wait!! No more blue screens of death from MS!

Hi Steven,
This weekend I used iMovie to import and edit archived VHS footage for an upcoming conference presentation. The 2.16 C2D MBP was very responsive while editing 30 minute tapes at 640x wide resolution. I did not apply anything more exciting than a fade here or and audio patch there, but if this seems comparable to your needs, you are likely to be pleased.
If you are intending to drive a second display, you may want to consult others about their experience with the 256MB video card versus the 128MB. As it was, editing on the native screen was fine.
Note: I installed an extra GB of RAM (2GB total) before getting to work on the project. I can't say how it would perform with the stock 1GB.
Best regards.
MacBookPro- Mac OS X (10.4.8)

MBP C2D Screen Question

Just ordered a MBP C2D with 15" glossy screen. Can somebody please tell me if the screen looks the same as the one on the Macbooks?
I found a website showing a MBP next to a Sony Vaio and was just curious if that MBP is the glossy or antiglare.
http://www.computerworld.com/html/macvista/macvistafig1.html
Thanks for any help.
2.33 MBP C2D Mac OS X (10.4.8)

Hi,
The MacBook uses a pixel density of 114ppi
MacBook Pro 15" 110 ppi
MacBook Pro 17' 116 ppi
Hence the display on the 15" MacBook Pro isn't as sharp as the display on either the MacBook or the 17" MacBook Pro.
The 15" does also have a very noticeable anti-glare layer on the screen. This can be quite distracting when using the machine and has been posted as a grainy / shimmery issue on many threads on these forums.
Having changed my 15" for a 17" I have stopped looking at the 15" machines to see if the display has been resolved (hard to believe when Apple do not accept the 15" MBP C2D as having any display issues), maybe somebody can update us on that point?

Help! I Can't Boot from Firewire Drive (Previous MBP C2D Hard Drive)

Can a hardrive from a C2D Macbook Pro start an i7 Quad MBP?
I just sold my 2008 15" 2.4ghz C2D MBP, (that had 10.6.5 installed), and today bought the newest
17" 2.2ghz i7 Quad Core MBP, (that has 10.6.6 pre-installed.)
I installed a fresh HD on the 15" before selling it, and kept its HD, and put it into a FW800 enclosure.
+(note: The 15" Macbook Pro I just sold, booted fine from this HD in the FW800 enclosure.)+
Before migrating my data, from the FW800 drive, I figured I would upgrade the old OS to 10.6.6, so it would be a seamless migration.
While up and running on the brand new i7, I could see the FW800 drive with 10.6.5 as a Startup Disk option in System Preferences.
I rebooted holding down the option key, selected the FW drive, and pressed the arrow below to continue startup.
The grey screen with the apple came up immediately, but I was horrified that the spinning gear never did appear, and startup froze at that point. I left it like this for five minutes. Grey screen with apple. Frozen.
So, I held down the power key, shut it down, then restarted holding down Command-S to run Disk Utility in SIngle User Mode, (/sbin/fsck -fy). Disk was okay.
I rebooted into the new internal, installed Diskwarrior 4.3, and checked the FW800, and it had no errors.
I opened Startup Disk in System Preferences, and chose the FW800 drive as the Startup Disk, and rebooted. Same result. Grey screen with apple, and no further...
Can someone please help me troubleshoot this?
Should I be able to boot this new MBP i7 with the HD from my old MBP C2D?
Is there something incompatible between the old C2D and i7?
Thanks in advance!

Ho Lee MACkeral wrote:
That CD2 OS will not boot into a new computer's OS.
Hi, thanks for replying.
I knew that the switch to Intel from ppc, meant a ppc drive, partitioned with APM could not boot an intel machine with a GUID partition table.
Do you know:
1. for certain that a C2D HD cannot boot an i7 machine?
2. and why?
Ho Lee MACkeral wrote:
Why not use Migration Assistant in the Utilities folder?
I am planning on doing this.
My old drive was 10.6.5.
The new machine has 10.6.6 pre-installed.
I figured that if I was able to upgrade the old drive to the same OSX first, it would provide a more seamless migration.
I was also concerned that my applications on 10.6.5 might become broken if they were migrated to 10.6.6. I really do not want to have to install everything.

MBP CD w/256Mb video or MBP C2D w/128Mb video?

Hi.
Its a shame i am writing my first post in a PC machine..but the reason is im going to buy a MBP very soon.
Im going to use the machine for Architecture software (AUTOCAD 2D n 3D running on windows), Adobe creative suite CS2, etc...
The question is: should I buy a MBP CD w/256Mb Video or MBP C2D w/256Mb? both have 2.16GHz and 1Gb RAM.
Im going to buy it from the refurbished section and both are very close in the price. U$S1599 for the MBP C2D w/128mb video and U$S1499 for the MBP CD w/256mb video.
Could someone give me a hand with this decission? thanks a lot.
buying my first MAC

If you are going to use the current version, 2007, of AutoCAD you might want to check the the system requirements. The difference with this version is that it does make use of the GPU although I'm not usre how much a difference VRAM will make.
Regarding your choice though, I'd probably go with the Core 2 Duo model. It runs cooler, has 802.11n capable hardware and is capable of 3GB RAM which will be important for apllications like Adobe Photoshop. Be aware that the 2.16GHz C2D model has "only" 128MB VRAM.

Anyone with a 17" MBP C2D having AirPort issues?

Most of the reports I've seen of people having issues with their MBP C2D and AirPort have the 15" MBP C2D (myself included.)
Has anyone with the 17" MBP C2D had issues, or is it isolated to the 15"?

Hi William
I had a 2.33 15"MBP 2.33and had no probelm with the airport reception (until security update 2006-007 was installed - I erased and reinstalled to get rid of the update and my machine went back to working fine.) Apple have released an update for Airport on the 15". So using software update the machine installed the airport update first, then installed security update 2006-007. Airport worked great.
Due to an excessively grainy display, my reseller allowed me to return the 15" and upgrade it to the 17". Again, this machine has had absolutely no airport issues. Connects full signal to whatever network I have attempted to connect to without issue.
So, I have had both a 15" and a 17", neither of them have had any airport issues, other than the one mentioned above in regards security update 2006-007 on the 15", but Apple did launch an Airport update which fixed this.

PB AL 15 to MBP C2D not going well

Tried using Migration Assistant but old PB G4 Al 15" 1.33Ghz always froze as Target Disk on any transfer over 5GB (all that mattered). So moved stuff manually, so no big wonder I'm hosed now.
Please spare me the "wipe it and start over" stuff, installing all the apps & pwd's from scratch will be last resort only, and I manage >60 G4 & G5 Macs at work that will soon migrate to Intel so I need to know how to fix things.
So new MBP 15.4" 2.33Ghz is fine except for:
1. MBP goes online fine at work (web, POP mail, whatever) but typing 1 character into any text field like Google or banks or anything freezes Safari instantly with BBOD. Firefox is fine. Unable to re-install any Java software update or 10.4.8 combo update
2. At home old PB & MBP will connect to Belkin FD7230-4 wire & 802.11g gateway router fine (wireless or wired), can ARD & fileshare fine between them, Network pref's show "connected to network 'xyzap'. ..connected to Internet via Airport (or Ethernet, or both)" but the new MBP can only get RSS feeds (with Safari but NOTHING with Firefox, web sites get "ur not connected 2 internet" [Safari] and "Server not found" [Firefox] nor POP mail for that matter, haven't tried FTP yet..)
x. Why does Migration Assistant fail with target locking up? Tried DU & DW repairs, no luck. On manual moves there were a few files that would kill transfers with "can't read or write" type errors, moving them separately by themselves or deleting got past that.
*** does this tell us? Need some help here.
Thx, dh

Not much attitude about m&a (migration assistant?), but about these forums, I never get any help here.
On about the 5th wipe and install try used ma after install instead of during (not the 1st time trying that way) and it left a log file on desktop (never did b4) which pointed to the mail.app files that were the culprits, deleted them, wiped & installed again and success moving 1 home directory.
That said it seems clear from posts elsewhere that there are issues with "can't read or write" issues. The G4 PB had no problem with the files in question.
And as to internet connections, also obvious from posts elswhere that there r issues with MBP C2D's and wireless gateway routers (NetGear, Linksys, D-link & Belkin (I have Belkin F5D7230-4US8.01.07, what a POS, worked with a couple all day at work trying to set up WDS / bridging, when their "tech support" hung up on me in 1st 5 seconds with 2nd level guy I threw 'em back to wally world). Dug a bit deeper tonight, plugged the MBP straight into cox cable modem again, no luck again UNTIL reboot cable modem then joy.
So reran AirPortUpdate2006002.dmg but no joy. kaka. So anyway gonna mark this 1 done and post over at "Getting Online & Networking" to see if the help there is any better.
peace, -d

15" MBP C2D reboots on lid close

Well, it's happend twice in the last 24 hours. I unplug the new 15 MBP C2D. I close the lid. <Dong> The laptop immediately reboots with the lid shut. Not sure if it is a hard reboot or soft, as I haven't had any applications with unsaved work lost -yet-....
The battery seems to be fine and hold a charge well. This reboot thing doesn't happen every time, but now I'm about 2 for 15 in spontaneous reboots after lid closure. (2 for 3 in the last 24 hours).
Anybody else having this problem? I've got the 160GB upgrade and have BootCamp installed.
-Andrew Hires

It happened once to me - this morning. I was using my MBP C2D while travelling to work, shut the lid, packed it in my rucksack, and when I woke it up from sleep at work I noticed that it had gone asleep at the end of the boot process (just before the login window shows up). The log confirms that it actually rebooted some time after I closed the lid, and that it had not finished writing the "sleepimage" file (This is from /var/log/syslog, please check what your own machine was doing when it rebooted!):
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8, partition base 0xc805000, maxio 400000
Nov 15 08:23:32 gazonk kernel[0]: hibernate image major 14, minor 2, blocksize 5
12, pollers 3
Nov 15 08:24:11 localhost kernel[0]: hi mem tramps at 0xffe00000
Nov 15 08:24:11 localhost kernel[0]: PAE enabled
Nov 15 08:24:11 localhost kernel[0]: 64 bit mode enabled
I'm also pretty sure that this machine uses a little more time waking up from sleep than any of my previous mac laptops - anyone noticed this?
Btw: I'm not sure I really want this hibernate thing. I think I'd prefer the machine going to sleep real fast. Anyone know how to turn off the hibernate functionality?
MacBook Pro 15" C2D 2,33/2/160, MacBook (white) 2Ghz/2/120, PB G4 12" 1.33Ghz/1.25/60 Mac OS X (10.4.8)

MBP C2D + Airport Express + WPA frequently loses connection. but WEP OK

many people seem to have wireless connectivity problems with their MBP
-- here is the problem I see with my 2wk old MBP and my wireless setup at home (Airport Express) and at work (Linksys, model# unknown):
1) MBP C2D + Linksys + WEP = no problems
2) MBP C2D + Airport Express + WEP = no problems
3) MBP C2D + Airport Express + WPA = frequent dropped connection, and poor range
for reference, my previous laptop:
4) Pismo + Airport Express + WEP = no problems
5) Pismo + Linksys + WEP = no problems
with WPA (whether WPA or WPA2) and the MBP, I turn on Airport, signal looks strong, but then suddenly disappears. I have to toggle Airport off and on and then (sometimes) I'll successfully re-establish connection - only to possibly lose it again at some random point in time. Or it may work fine for an hour or more - it's hit or miss. no such problem or inconsistency with WEP enabled instead.
both laptops are running OS X 10.4.8. Of course only 802.11b on the Pismo, but results don't change on the MBP whether b, mixed b/g or only g.
The Airport Express is set up as a closed network, it's running firmware v6.3 (though I also reinstalled v6.1 but no change). I've tried many of the various other ideas for fixes - deleted Airport related keychains, etc played with various other Airport config settings - but all evidence points only to WPA as being the differentiating cause.
does this match anyone else's experience?
and more importantly, is there some fix?
thanks in advance for your feedback or suggestions
MacBook Pro 15.4" 2.33GHz C2D Mac OS X (10.4.8)

Hi!
Used to have same problems. But not anymore.
Here's what I did. I have a DLINK 624 router. not the same model but this could help you, I guess
1) Disable Super G mode into router.
2) Choose a 62 character key with a $ in front of it. (go https://www.grc.com/passwords.htm) and use wpa2.
3) Uncheck the Robutesse Interference (sorry, i am french) in the airport menu.
4) Change the advanced performance settings from auto to 11 (Tx rate) into router.
5) Whent into keychains and only kept the one for the active wi-fi. Since I tried almost verything, there where a lot!
Since I did that, no more lost connection for a day now!
Now I am not saying that this is the ultimate fix....but It worked for me.
BTW, did not do the SMC and EFI upgrade, still a little scared after what I read in the forums...I bought my mac book pro last week...how come it did not came with all the upgrade done??!! bizarre.
Good luck!

Problem: DVD-RAM can no longer be read on MBP C2D

The "MATSHITA DVD-R UJ-857D" in my MacBook Pro C2D is said to have read (but not write) support for DVD-RAM media.
During the first few weeks of its lifetime, reading DVD-RAMs definitely worked. But now, no more, no matter what brand of media I try.
All other types of optical media continue to work as advertised (read and write).
I wonder whether this is a physical defect (but then why doesn't it affect other types of media?) or an issue caused by recent sopftware updates (but when I boot from an external DVD-drive using the very original MacOS DVD with no updates at all, why do I still not get read support on the internal drive?).
AFAIK there has not been any recent firmware update for this model. So what can be the reason? Should I let Apple swap the drive? Has anyone else observed the same issue?
Guido
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Hey Grant,
thought you'd like to know my "cleaning the lens with a cloth" worked fine - uh... but for about three days only, then back to the same old, same old.
I'd originally slid a business card covered with a lens cleaning cloth (from my camera bag) to clean the lens, and although the cloth emerged mostly pristine, I figured it must've done the trick as the drive started working again.
So this time, I decided to go in deeper. I actually took the whole drive apart - case off, drive out, drive dismantled - and I had a long look around to see if any parts looked dirty or damaged...
I found just one thing - the small silver rod on which the read/write head travels (the servomechanism that moves up and down the disc radius as it reads/writes) had some 'oily gunk' at the point where the travelling-head's 'sleeve' met it - when I tried to move the head manually up and down the rod, it sort of staggered along. So I cleaned off the gunk with a cotton bud and then slid the drive-head up and down a few times 'till it seemed to run freely.
Put everything back - and fired up my Mac Pro. And the drive has been 100% fine since then - two whole weeks!
Maybe this time I've cracked it? (for my drive at least)
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MBP C2D 15" display blacks out!

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Hello
Did you find out the reason? The same message shows up in the system.log of my iMac Core Duo after the Mac OS X 10.4.9 Update, but the iMac works fine.
Cleaning all caches, repair user rights, PRAM and SMC Reset didnt help. Also no luck with Preferential Treatment tool to check for corrupted preference files, it didnt find corrupted plist files.

Temperature-related startup failure in MBP C2D

My MBP C2D fails at startup when rebooting after normal use (means web surfing and playing music with iTunes) and temperatures in my MBP's CPU cores have been ~50C or more by Temperature Monitor.
At startup DVD-drive makes it's normal eject sound, but then nothing, screen stays black. There is no startup sound or gray screen. I need to shutdown computer, let it cool down and after that it will start again.
Hardware test doesn't find anything and reseting PMU, PRAM or SMC doesn't help.
Problem seems to be temperature-related. Solutions?
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Sorry for posting a not-so-helpful reply, but I think perhaps there is something wrong with the temperature sensor(s). The processor should shutdown only when the upper temperature threshold is exceeded. I suppose the hardware test cannot be run when the machine is still "hot"? I would call AppleCare...

Question about upgrading iTunes multiple computers with shared library

Greetings,
I have a question about upgrading to the current version of iTunes.
Currently, my household uses 3 Mac computers (2 Powerbook 17in laptops and a Mack Mini). We are all (currently) on system 10.4.11 (with iTunes 9.2.1). Between the 3 computers we have a shared iTunes music and video library on a networked high capacity hard drive.
We recently purchased an iPad. In order to make it easy for updates and to use media from our iTunes shared library I decided that we should upgrade the systems on our home computers to Snow Leopard. I have ensured that all the computers have at lease 2 Gb of RAM and adequate hard drive space.
The only possible problem I see is that one of the Powerbook laptops uses the old Motorola processor. (This is one of the last Powerbooks to use that processor.) I don’t think this computer can be upgraded to Snow Leopard.
My question is, if I upgrade 2 of the computers (and iTunes in the process), will I still be able to access the shared iTunes library using the older computer with the older system and iTunes? Will the upgrade process change the iTunes library in such a way that the one older computer will no longer be able to properly access that library?
Are there any other problems I might encounter having a mixed system/iTunes environment?
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Tim

iantoole wrote:
Just a thought. Should I somehow open iTunes on MBP2 using MBP1's Library file??
both Macs can access the same library file, however, only one at a time !
to do that, you would ideally have the entire iTunes folder (not just the iTunes music folder) on the external. then, on one Mac after the other, launch iTunes while holding the option key, click on +choose library+ when prompted, and select the iTunes folder on the external.
or, you could have two separate libraries and keep those in sync using third party tools such as Syncopation, TuneRanger or SuperSync.
for purchases from the iTunes store, you could set up _*Home Sharing*_ - it can be configured to automatically transfer new purchases to home shared libraries.
Can I create a script to have MBP1 always save the iTunes Library file on the shared hard drive?
no need.
JGG

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I even had made a disk image of the OSX on the ext. HDD and restored it on my MBP C2D's internal HDD. The same freeze still happened.
Now it seems that the MBP C2D is not compatible for OSX other than its origanal one.
Can anyone confirm the existence of the problem?

It is really bad. Does the Apple support line help? The support line in my region is not that "pro".
For the issue, I had never experience something like that on a Mac, neither MBP CD nor Mac mini CD, they can boot from each other's OSX or OSX on ext. HDDs.
I am really surprised by this problem on MBP C2D. I think it should be software issue and every one using MBP C2D should have the issue, right?

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I'm using a MBP 2.16-15" Core 2 Duo with 3Gb Ram, OS X 10.4.10
I am trying to re-install OS X on my friends MBP C2D 2.4-17" OS X 10.4.10 using MY Install DVD's as he forgot his! (My DVD OS V 10.4.8, AHT V 3A116, Disc V 1.0)
His MBP keeps coming up with the dreaded grey crash screen and black box telling me in English and other lang's to hold down the power key and re-start, after i try to boot from my dvd.
Do i need to use His dvd's? are mine not compatible? or do i need to re-format his drive and re-install?
Any ideas would be helpful.
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You cannot use your installer discs for his computer. Aside from the fact they are not the same, it's illegal.

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