MD50 With Collective order scenario

Hi!,
Can we have multi level sales order planning for collective order scenario without runnnng the multi level planning (MD02 / MD01) subsequently.
Actually when we run MD50 system creates the planned order for header material but not for dependent requirements.
I know that this can be done by subsequently running MD02 / MD01. Please let me know that whether is it possible in collective order scenario without running the maulti level planning.
Thanks in advance.
Regards.
Uday

Hy Uday,
Yes It is possible To generates Planing Proposals for dependent requirement also through MD50.But most imp conditions are,
- For all the BOM Components Ind./Coll requirement type(MRP4) should be maintain as individual requirements only (option 1) or individual or collective requirements.(Blank).
- For Header Material - MRP for Dep. Requirements should be active in MRP 4 view.
If above condition is maintain for BOM components then system will generates Planing proposals for all the BOM components upto the last level of BOM.
For In house Production system will generates Plan order with reference to Sales order (HALB).
And for externally procured Items system will create PR with Reference to Sales order.
Regards,
Dhaval
Edited by: Dhaval Choksi on Aug 18, 2008 3:16 PM

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ritesh,
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