MDD Dual Boot Reinstall

I recently bought another MDD G4, the same model as the one I've owned for years . The previous owner didn't have the set of discs that came with it, and had installed Tiger on one of two internal HDs. However, I have a set that came with my computer.
As I would like to use the dual-boot capability to include OS 9, for which I have a lot of favorite programs, games, etc. I cloned the Tiger boot drive to the second HD using SuperDuper, and then used my install disc from my set to install OS 10.2.1 on the boot drive (Macintosh HD).
On start up, I got a user log-in screen, and on logging in, I found myself in Terminal (Welcome to Darwin) which I know little about. How do I exit this (is there a command procedure?) to get to the more familiar interface? Also, I then want to install OS 9. I'm not sure if the discs in the set will do this, but I also have an OS 9.O disc and a 9.2.2 upgrade disc. And I have an OS X updater disc to 10.2.8. From there, I assume I can install my Panther disc.
But again, having OS 9.2.2 capability is what's important. And of course, how to get out of Terminal. It's all very interesting, something about Bash, and Shells, but for another day, thank you.
Keith

A. Brody,
It's your word against Apple's. They told me the discs should work on either machine if they're both MDDs. However, they are sending me a new set to match the serial number of the one I bought second hand. Nice of them. And thanks to your website for advising that that was possible.
Now, can anyone tell me how to exit out of Terminal on that machine, please? I think what I did was to try to install Jaguar over Tiger on that HD. Maybe I should have reformatted the disk first? Fortunately, I'm able to boot to a clone of Tiger on the computer's 2nd installed drive , though if it's a slave drive I thought I could only boot from one master drive??? A mystery.
I looked to see if there is a Unix forum, but can't find it in Discussions.

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Can anyone recommend a good USB 2.0 and Firewire combo PCI card? (at least 3 USB 2.0 ports and 2 FW) for my G4 MDD Dual Boot- 1.25 Ghz)?
I have an Orangelink+ Micro USB 2.0/FW PCI card from the days of OS 9- that's supposed to be USB 2.0 under OS X, but isn't (it shows up as max 12/mbps in System Profiler). I'd like to get an external Hard Drive and most of them are USB 2.0 now.
Another question:
Under system profiler, it shows that I have one USB 2.0 port. I'm assuming it's an internal port, because all of the external ports show transfer rates of 12mbps. Is this a correct assumption?
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ATI X800 XT 512MB on MDD dual boot dual 1.25Ghz.... possible?

Hi,
Just looking to see if I can install a Mac version of the ATI X800 XT 512MB on G4 MDD dual boot dual 1.25Ghz machine?
If so... great... I'll go pick it up straight away.
thanks
PS. I know it won't accelerate 9.2.2, but I already have the 9200 PCI card to accomodate that.

Just following up on japamac's excellent response.
ADC presents a seriously limitation on cards since the only two retail cards (no flashing, no fuss) on the market are the ATI 9600 and 9800, both without ADC.
I use a modified 9600 Pro from a G5, which has an unpowered ADC. Unpowered because the the ADC tab doesn't align, although some people have modified the card further to get power to the ADC port. For info on both of those mods, see:
http://www.pistolerapost2.com/viewing/96002g4.html
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http://www.xlr8yourmac.com/Graphics/Radeon9700PROOEM/index.html
Again it's really rare because it wasn't available even as a BTO option for very long. They fetch a premium on the used market when you find them.
What ADC monitor do you have? I hope an LCD. In which case, something to consider is the Apple ADC-DVI adapter which will set you back $100. It's basically a kind of splitter, with a brink supplying power to ADC monitor while passing the signal from the DVI port. Yeah this adds to your costs, but gives you more options in terms of cards.
Oh more thing about 9.x acceleration which you mentioned. With ATI cards, you might need to pull an extension or library from the Extensions folder to keep 9.x from stalling at boot. I had to do that with my 9600. Sorry, I'm on my MBP now, so I can't tell you which ones. Let me know if you need/want to know which ones I pulled.

OS-X HD's not showing in OS9, G4/867DP-MDD dual boot...

Hello Apple Discussion Group Members,
I have four hard drives installed in a G4/867 DP-MDD using cable select for all HD's [4] and Burners [2]. All drives and ATA Busses [0, 1, 2] show up in OS-X 10.4.8. In OS9, only Buses 0 and 2 show up in the Apple System Profiler. Everything is working fine in OS-X. But the ATA 1 bus isn't showing up in OS9. Is this normal? If not, how can this be adressed to see all the HD's on the OS9 desktop? The drives not showing up are the OS-X boot drives on ATA bus 1. Requesting the advice of anyone who can help. Thank you all! Donnie Dixon

Hi, Donnie -
There are some restrictions as to what volumes (volume = an unpartitioned drive, or a partition of a partitioned drive) OS 9 is able to 'see'.
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• On G4 MDD models, OS 9 can not 'see' a drive on the ATA/100 bus unless the Mac OS ROM file version in OS 9 is at least v. 9.5.1.
• OS 9 can not 'see' a hard drive which has not had OS 9 drivers installed on it. Installing OS 9 drivers is an option in OSX's Disk Utility, applicable when using that program to initialize a drive. Unfortunately, it is not always selected by default; and if it is not select, hence the drivers are not installed, OS 9 will not be able to mount that drive.
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GE70 dual booting with linux

Has anyone installed linux as a dual booting OS on their MSI laptop? I've gone through a lot of stuff online to try and install, but the UEFI isn't recognizing anything I have as far as live booting dvd or usb. I've turned off secure boot and fast boot. I can get it to boot off the disk/usb in Legacy mode, but if I install from there it installs as MBR which can cause problems. If anyone's had success, please, let me know.
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B

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Welcome!
Does anyone know of a good and trusted source for the original install discs for this machine?
Several people here have called Apple fpr these and were told they no longer carry replacement disks for this machine. It's back to eBay or the local Mac user group. Any used Mac that does not come with the system restore disks should be considered defective and avoided, or at least heavily discounted. Can the seller find the disks for you?
Every time I try to transfer a System Folder to the machine..........
That because you need the special version of OS9 on the system disk.
I do have a 733 G4 with a valid OS 9 System Folder. Can I transfer that via target mode and expect it to boot the 1.25?
I've not tried it but, based on my experiences with my MDD and its special needs, I don't think that will work.
If you get a righteous system restore disk set, there is one more hoop: OS9 will not boot if installed on a volume larger than about 195G. I tried installing it on a 250GB drive. It installed and would work in Classic emulation, but would not boot until I wiped that drive and made a modest partition in which OS9 resides.
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As an aside, never be afraid to start a new topic in these forums. That usually will get you better help faster because some people will not read an addition to a thread that is already months old, like this one. I realize some web forums flame on people who start new threads but that is not the case around here. Tagging on to an existing thread confuses those offering help and dilutes the help that you and the original poster (OP) both deserve.
I realize that finding how to start a new thread around here is non-intuitive. This link should hep if you encounter what thousands of others have:
http://discussions.apple.com/ann.jspa?annID=650
We look forward to seeing more of you here!
PS: I love your user name! My wife thinks I should have a similar one as we have ~15 Macs in the family.

Thank Heavens for Dual Booting MDD G4s

Just thought I would relate the value of my dual boot MDD G4 at tax time. Turns out I needed some data on capital gains from my 2000 return. Checked the file and OMG, no printed copy of my return. Checked my second drive on my MDD G4 and found the Turbo Tax for Mac files for 2000. But, the program wouldn't open properly in Classic. So, I booted into OS 9 on that second drive, opened Turbo Tax and printed out all the forms I needed. Saved my butt last week as I was stressing out to finish my taxes by the weekend.
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Carl B wrote:
Saved my butt last week as I was stressing out to finish my taxes by the weekend.
Isn't this one of the reasons why the IRS lets you file extensions.
Since I've been doing my taxes on a Mac since the mid-90s, it will be nice to have those files and OS 9 available for some years to come. OS 9 forever!
Yep with older software and files, sometimes the only way is get boot OS 9.x proper.
Having a dual-boot Mac helped me out big time while facing a critical deadling. I needed document created off disc created in 9.x, yet the document appeared as a Unix executable. Basically, this oldie but goody explains my situation (although it also happens with HFS+ 9.x discs):
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Dual-boot OS9 and Leopard on a MDD howto??

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If I start with a Leopard DVD, an OS 9 CD, a new unformatted HDD, and a non-FW800 MDD, how to I install it all to dual boot off one partition?
I have not worked with this stuff in a few years so I am a bit vague and appreciate the help from the community. It is a dual-CPU 1.0 GHz, not FW800, and should support this dual-boot setup.
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It will be hard to find the cd for mac os 9 for this machine. The mactracker database indicated the machine requires 9.2.2. I'm not sure if 9.2.2 was ever sold as a stand-alone cd. There is a possiblity that even if you found mac os 9.2.2, the mdd could have specific drives that might not be on the a full install copy of mdd. There is a fuzzyness over the meaning of 9.2.2, It was the closes OS at the time of ship. For the full install cd, you best get a point release greater than the release at the time of ship.
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Some people seem to know the numbers on the cd for each machine.
The cd number might be 6c155 see blow in image
If you buying this, get a full install 9.2.2 or a machine specific cd & try before you buy. Some machine might have 9.2.2 on them. If they have a working 9.2.2 on the machine ::: Do not erase it. Get a backup external drive and back everything up. If it works & you need it, do not erase. Buy another dirve.
get the mactracker app so you can look for other machines.
the apple pi apple hobbie clubs might have cds.
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G4 MDD FW800 Dual Boot Tiger and Leopard

I have a Power Mac G4 1.25 Dual MDD FW800 currently running Tiger 10.4.9. I would like to install Leopard on a partition or a second hard drive so I can dual boot between Tiger and Leopard. Will the FW800 model allow this without eliminating Tiger or creating any issues with using Tiger? I recall reading somewhere that the MDD FW800 could not run Jaguar and Tiger concurrently but I don't know if this is true? Anyone running this Tiger-Leopard dual boot setup?
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Your MDD's are FW800 also?
What you are asking doesn't matter.
ALL G4 machines, including ALL MDD machines, including the FW800 CAN maintain two or more OS versions (such as Tiger and Leopard) and CAN boot back and forth between the versions.
Any G4 that I have ever had, Sawtooth to MDD/FW800 has run two, three and four OS versions.
I currently have OS9, Panther, Tiger and Leopard installed on this machine.
Another source had told me that the FW800 MDD could not boot back to a previous version OS once a newer version OS had been installed ie once Leopard was installed you could not boot from Tiger again from another startup disk?
Your source is incorrect, and is telling you contrary to all the content of the entire internet regarding the topic.
The FW800 cannot boot to OS 9 (any version) nor can it boot to OS X earlier than 10.2.3.
As with ANY G4, it cannot run OS X Snow Leopard (10.6).
Those are the ONLY limitations.
ALL other OS versions after OS X 10.2.3, in any number of combinations, may be present as boot volumes on the machine.
If you had 4 drives with 3 OS versions each, as long as the version was within the machines compatibility, it would be fine and boot would be supported.

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title Arch Linux x64
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kernel /vmlinuz26 root=/dev/disk/by-uuid/3841273c-d91e-41d6-9dbf-716a15d03a01 ro
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kernel /vmlinuz26 root=/dev/disk/by-uuid/3841273c-d91e-41d6-9dbf-716a15d03a01 ro
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trial on the other bootable partition and if it works fine for everything,
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running things faster, so maybe just skip Vista. The only glitch I had was
having to uninstall Nero's packet-writing (CDRW as a floppy) software after
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utility to get rid of it. It isn't compatible with Win7 and I could have
gotten around the problem by merely uninstalling Nero before upgrading and
putting it back, afterwards. I have an older version of Nero was my actual
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You can also disable that windows wireless "Critter" from device manager and it shouldn't ever again show-up in your adapter list. Thanks for the lesson. I too have wondered about the windows virtual adapter and what it's for. I never had it show-up in my adapters though in the network and sharing center. That was strange that it happened to you. I also occasionally just go to device manager and reload the adapter that came with laptop-not the windows one. It
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