MDD mystery crashes (video-related)

Hey everybody,
My poor dual-1.25 MDD has had a constant problem with a particular brand of crashes since I bought it three years ago. Multiple AppleCare calls and service trips yielded nothing (one service tech even accused me of making up my problem, since he wasn't able to replicate it), and now my coverage is gone.
The machine performs like a dream, except in one situation: whenever I try to play any kind of game that's at all graphics-intensive, the system crashes. A lot. Here's the way it invariably goes: I get about 20 minutes of decent gameplay, and suddenly my monitor loses the (digital) signal. Whatever sound had been emanating from my speakers then gets stuck, repeating endlessly like a skipping record/CD. The only way out is a held-down-power-button forced shutdown. After restarting, everything else will be fine, but further attempts at gaming will result in immediate no-video, stuttering-sound freezes.
Since this has been a persistent problem for three years, I've tried a lot of things, including everything AppleCare could throw at me, and a lot of the solutions offered elsewhere in this forum. Heck, I even bought a new video card the other day, just in case that was the source.
Here's a partial ('cause I honestly don't remember every last thing) list of what I've tried:
1. AHT: multiple tests, nothing found.
2. Memtest: same.
3. Archive and install of three different versions of OS X
4. Reformatting of hard drives (which aren't full, btw)
For the record, here are all the alterations I've made to my MDD:
1. added two Crucial 512mb RAM chips
2. Added a second HD
3. Put in a Radeon 9600 Pro (256mb)
4. Put in a Pioneer DVD burner
If it matters, I use a Sony SDX-17 LCD monitor.
This computer has always run hot, starting up at about 38º C and typically running at about 57-61º C. Might this be the problem? If so, has anybody had any luck with enhancing or replacing the cooling system?
I think that's all I can think of. Thanks in advance for any ideas!
PowerMac G4 MDD dual 1.25ghz   Mac OS X (10.4.8)   1.25gb RAM

Seems like you're in the same vote I am right down to the skipping music. You can add a scrambled video signal to the list of symptoms for me as well.
Over three years I have tried everything aside from replacing the logic board, processors and power supply. The power supply crossed my mind but I have always suspected a somehow video related problem even tho endless hardware tests show nothing.
Rooting around in the System Log the last few weeks has turned up a string of entries that always precede a crash and I'm wondering if you have similiar entries:
Nov 5 10:15:47 Vlad kernel[0]: ATIRadeon::submit_buffer: Overflowed block waiting for FIFO space. Have 5, need 6. RBBM_STATUS 0x8041c100. VAPCNTLSTATUS 0x00000002
Nov 5 10:15:58 Vlad kernel[0]: ** ASIC Hang Log Start **
Nov 5 10:15:58 Vlad kernel[0]: 0x01004966 2f000207 00000007 00000003
Nov 5 10:15:58 Vlad kernel[0]: 0x024c1811 c0003c0c 00000002 00000008
Nov 5 10:15:58 Vlad kernel[0]: 0x00004443 01e1f833 00000303 8041c100
Nov 5 10:15:58 Vlad kernel[0]: 0x60000000 001e0000 51b3a300 72001605
Nov 5 10:15:58 Vlad kernel[0]: 0x080a0f00 00000000 04012688 80000003
Nov 5 10:15:58 Vlad kernel[0]: 0x0008bbbb 00000002
Nov 5 10:15:58 Vlad kernel[0]: 0:0x000101ce
Nov 5 10:15:58 Vlad kernel[0]: 1:0x1001c020
Nov 5 10:15:58 Vlad kernel[0]: 2:0x00000002
Nov 5 10:15:58 Vlad kernel[0]: 3:0x000101ce
lots of lines removed...
Nov 5 10:16:08 Vlad kernel[0]: 1020:0xffffffff
Nov 5 10:16:08 Vlad kernel[0]: 1021:0xffffffff
Nov 5 10:16:08 Vlad kernel[0]: 1022:0xffffffff
Nov 5 10:16:08 Vlad kernel[0]: 1023:0xffffffff
Nov 5 10:16:08 Vlad kernel[0]: 0x277a3d12
Nov 5 10:16:08 Vlad kernel[0]: ** ASIC Hang Log End **
I've been going thru the logs after every crash and it looks like my mdd can handle one of these hangs, but generally if a second occurs immediately after the first it's lights out. Googling this hasn't turned up any thing conclusive other than that the entry apparently comes from the ATI drivers.
Wonder if anyone with a nvidia card has ever experienced this problem?

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    >> the clock change took place one week later in the
    USA. The solution is
    >> the removal of the WinFileCache-********.dat file, a
    process that takes a
    >> couple of minutes, and no reinstallation.
    >>
    >> --
    >> David Powers, Adobe Community Expert
    >> Author, "The Essential Guide to Dreamweaver CS3"
    (friends of ED)
    >> Author, "PHP Solutions" (friends of ED)
    >>
    http://foundationphp.com/
    >

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    # An unexpected error has been detected by HotSpot Virtual Machine:
    # Internal Error (4E4D4554484F440E4350500521), pid=1705, tid=907377584
    # Java VM: Java HotSpot(TM) Server VM (1.5.0_05-b05 mixed mode)
    --------------- T H R E A D ---------------
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    Stack: [0x360d7000,0x36158000), sp=0x36156eec, free space=511k
    Native frames: (J=compiled Java code, j=interpreted, Vv=VM code, C=native code)
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    V [libjvm.so+0x1bea7c]
    V [libjvm.so+0x3e2bee]
    V [libjvm.so+0x4564cb]
    V [libjvm.so+0x3f8956]
    V [libjvm.so+0x3f5c64]
    --------------- P R O C E S S ---------------
    Java Threads: ( => current thread )
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    0x08d4e058 JavaThread "http-80-Processor299" daemon [_thread_in_native, id=4707]
    0x08bc7c20 JavaThread "http-80-Processor298" daemon [_thread_blocked, id=4706]
    0x0845fd78 JavaThread "http-80-Processor297" daemon [_thread_in_native, id=4705]
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    0x088c6488 JavaThread "http-80-Processor180" daemon [_thread_in_native, id=3530]
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    0x088f3ca8 JavaThread "http-80-Processor171" daemon [_thread_blocked, id=3156]
    0x08862858 JavaThread "http-80-Processor168" daemon [_thread_blocked, id=3153]
    0x08629e38 JavaThread "http-80-Processor162" daemon [_thread_blocked, id=3147]
    0x086b9dd0 JavaThread "http-80-Processor159" daemon [_thread_in_native, id=3144]
    0x086e1c88 JavaThread "http-80-Processor153" daemon [_thread_in_native, id=3138]
    0x082fae10 JavaThread "http-80-Processor151" daemon [_thread_in_native, id=3136]
    0x084c7c40 JavaThread "http-80-Processor149" daemon [_thread_blocked, id=2489]
    0x087a5568 JavaThread "http-80-Processor147" daemon [_thread_in_native, id=2487]
    0x08c5f648 JavaThread "http-80-Processor146" daemon [_thread_blocked, id=2486]
    0x08c64090 JavaThread "http-80-Processor135" daemon [_thread_blocked, id=2475]
    0x08d60c68 JavaThread "http-80-Processor133" daemon [_thread_in_native, id=2473]
    0x08cdc058 JavaThread "http-80-Processor129" daemon [_thread_blocked, id=2469]
    0x0854a978 JavaThread "http-80-Processor128" daemon [_thread_blocked, id=2468]
    0x08d940c0 JavaThread "http-80-Processor126" daemon [_thread_in_native, id=2466]
    0x087c4998 JavaThread "http-80-Processor114" daemon [_thread_blocked, id=2186]
    0x0895ec90 JavaThread "http-80-Processor113" daemon [_thread_in_native, id=2185]
    0x0895e028 JavaThread "http-80-Processor112" daemon [_thread_blocked, id=2184]
    0x08e9bbb8 JavaThread "http-80-Processor82" daemon [_thread_in_native, id=2147]
    0x08634cf8 JavaThread "http-80-Processor80" daemon [_thread_in_native, id=2145]
    0x085d93c0 JavaThread "http-80-Processor68" daemon [_thread_blocked, id=2129]
    0x085d8658 JavaThread "http-80-Processor67" daemon [_thread_blocked, id=2128]
    0x085d7310 JavaThread "http-80-Processor66" daemon [_thread_in_native, id=2127]
    0x084c57e0 JavaThread "http-80-Processor60" daemon [_thread_blocked, id=2121]
    0x084c4a78 JavaThread "http-80-Processor59" daemon [_thread_blocked, id=2120]
    0x08588db8 JavaThread "http-80-Processor56" daemon [_thread_blocked, id=2117]
    0x086a2130 JavaThread "http-80-Processor54" daemon [_thread_in_native, id=2115]
    0x0878cfa8 JavaThread "http-80-Processor50" daemon [_thread_in_native, id=2108]
    0x087b9148 JavaThread "http-80-Processor39" daemon [_thread_blocked, id=2097]
    0x082f38c8 JavaThread "http-80-Processor29" daemon [_thread_blocked, id=2087]
    0x087a6a30 JavaThread "http-80-Processor28" daemon [_thread_in_native, id=2086]
    0x36b33540 JavaThread "http-80-Monitor" [_thread_blocked, id=1769]
    0x351178e0 JavaThread "http-80-Processor4" daemon [_thread_blocked, id=1747]
    0x35a72210 JavaThread "http-80-Processor1" daemon [_thread_blocked, id=1744]
    0x363ed3b0 JavaThread "ContainerBackgroundProcessor[StandardEngine[Catalina]]" daemon [_thread_blocked, id=1743]
    0x35a60238 JavaThread "Thread-4" [_thread_blocked, id=1742]
    =>0x36bc7068 JavaThread "SessionReaperDaemon[null, 2005-11-01 22:38:23.388]" daemon [_thread_in_Java, id=1739]
    0x363633c8 JavaThread "DistributedCache:DistributedSessions:EventDispatcher" daemon [_thread_blocked, id=1738]
    0x363771a0 JavaThread "DistributedCache:DistributedSessions" daemon [_thread_blocked, id=1737]
    0x36ba85f0 JavaThread "ReplicatedCache:ReplicatedSessionsMisc" daemon [_thread_blocked, id=1736]
    0x36bbb118 JavaThread "TcpRingListener" daemon [_thread_in_native, id=1735]
    0x36373478 JavaThread "Cluster" daemon [_thread_blocked, id=1733]
    0x36351268 JavaThread "PacketPublisher" daemon [_thread_blocked, id=1732]
    0x36350d60 JavaThread "PacketReceiver" daemon [_thread_blocked, id=1731]
    0x36ba8858 JavaThread "PacketListenerN" daemon [_thread_in_native, id=1730]
    0x36bb11e8 JavaThread "PacketListener1" daemon [_thread_in_native, id=1729]
    0x36b9f530 JavaThread "Logger@9508926 3.0/315" daemon [_thread_blocked, id=1728]
    0x081b0910 JavaThread "RMI TCP Accept-9000" daemon [_thread_in_native, id=1726]
    0x081b5c90 JavaThread "RMI TCP Accept-0" daemon [_thread_in_native, id=1725]
    0x081b57c0 JavaThread "Timer-0" daemon [_thread_blocked, id=1724]
    0x08157b60 JavaThread "Low Memory Detector" daemon [_thread_blocked, id=1722]
    0x081566e8 JavaThread "CompilerThread1" daemon [_thread_blocked, id=1721]
    0x08155698 JavaThread "CompilerThread0" daemon [_thread_blocked, id=1720]
    0x08154578 JavaThread "AdapterThread" daemon [_thread_blocked, id=1719]
    0x08153618 JavaThread "Signal Dispatcher" daemon [_thread_blocked, id=1718]
    0x081528e8 JavaThread "Surrogate Locker Thread (CMS)" daemon [_thread_blocked, id=1717]
    0x08148480 JavaThread "Finalizer" daemon [_thread_blocked, id=1716]
    0x08148008 JavaThread "Reference Handler" daemon [_thread_blocked, id=1715]
    0x0805c598 JavaThread "main" [_thread_in_native, id=1705]
    Other Threads:
    0x08145bc8 VMThread [id=1714]
    0x082237b0 WatcherThread [id=1727]
    VM state:not at safepoint (normal execution)
    VM Mutex/Monitor currently owned by a thread: None
    Heap
    par new generation total 523840K, used 289536K [0x3d1c0000, 0x5d1c0000, 0x5d1c0000)
    eden space 523392K, 55% used [0x3d1c0000, 0x4ec800f0, 0x5d0e0000)
    from space 448K, 0% used [0x5d150000, 0x5d150000, 0x5d1c0000)
    to space 448K, 0% used [0x5d0e0000, 0x5d0e0000, 0x5d150000)
    concurrent mark-sweep generation total 1318912K, used 521347K [0x5d1c0000, 0xad9c0000, 0xad9c0000)
    concurrent-mark-sweep perm gen total 30720K, used 30499K [0xad9c0000, 0xaf7c0000, 0xb19c0000)
    Dynamic libraries:
    08048000-08056000 r-xp 00000000 08:02 180163 /usr/java/jdk1.5.0_05/bin/java
    08056000-08058000 rwxp 0000e000 08:02 180163 /usr/java/jdk1.5.0_05/bin/java
    08058000-0aea7000 rwxp 00000000 00:00 0
    2af40000-2b067000 rwxp 00001000 00:00 0
    2b067000-2b06a000 ---p 00000000 00:00 0
    2b06a000-2b0e8000 rwxp 00003000 00:00 0
    2b0e8000-2b0eb000 ---p 00081000 00:00 0
    2b0eb000-2b169000 rwxp 00084000 00:00 0
    2b169000-2b16c000 ---p 00102000 00:00 0
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    An aside: When I switch to ParallelGC, afterrunning
    for about 5-6 hours, GC times start doubling
    (approximately) in time, eventually moving upwardsof
    2 minutes per full GC.That sounds to me like you're swapping during full
    GCs. I wouldn't assume that 2 GB of physical RAM is
    sufficient to run an app with an 1800 MB heap. Have
    you done any heap profiling to determine the real
    working set of your application? When the GCs get
    this pathologically long, is there disk activity on
    the machine?Hmm.. So what should we size our heap to on a server with 2GB? The server is essentially only running the Java process. What would you consider "safe"?
    While heap profiling with jconsole, the application only utilizes 1.1GB of the heap at peaks. We want to expand that eventually as we size our caches larger.
    I don't believe there's disk activity with long GCs, but I can't confirm that 100% right now. The server is reading files from another machine, so the disks are more or less untouched while the app is running. There's heavy caching. The only reason disks would be hititng if your guess regarding the swapping turns out correct. After you suggest a safer way to calc a max heap size for our machine, I'll try again with ParallelGC and a smaller heap.
    Some points:
    - I tried increasing perm generation size. It'snot
    even close to filled (according to gc log).(As you mentioned, "old generation" instead of "perm
    generation".) What about when the full collection
    times are taking 2 minutes in duration? Is there any
    disk activity indicating swapping?Again, not positive on the disk situation -- should get an answer above to figure this out.
    - I have not tried the -client VM, will this break
    performance on a production application?The client VM does not generate as high quality
    machine code as the server VM but on the x86
    architecture many benchmark scores for the two
    compilers are comparable. I would recommend you try
    that option if only to narrow down the scope of the
    crash you're seeing.
    - I saw a bug related to a ConcMarkSweepGC crashon
    4-cpu machines opened on Oct 17th. I've testedthis
    on 4-cpu (2 proc with hyperthreading) and 2-cpu
    (hyperthreading off) -- both exhibit this issue.What bug ID is this?http://bugs.sun.com/bugdatabase/view_bug.do?bug_id=6337544
    - Are there any known issues with this collectorand
    Linux 2.4.21-37.ELsmp? Should we be using
    LD_ASSUME_KERNEL=2.2.5 or anything? For java to
    recognize this variable, do we just need itspecified
    anywhere in the environment at JVM start? How dowe
    test if it worked?No issues as far as I know, but I am not a Linux
    expert. I think in order to toggle which thread
    library is used you just need that variable exported
    in the environment when the JVM starts up. You can
    probably use pmap to see which thread library got
    loaded to verify the one you expect is present in the
    loaded objects.Trying various combinations of LD_ASSUME_KERNEL to switch threading versions has no real effect on stability there. We're seeing crashes repeatedly still.
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