MDD upgrade conflict with ATI Radeon 9800

does anyone out there have my specs; Sonnettech MDX Dual 1.6gh processor with ATI Radeon 9800 Pro VGA card? After installing the processor, i now get weird lines all over the screen at bootup and then i get a bunch of green speckles all over my desktop after the computer boots. i can work on my computer, but the screen images, speckles and other artifacts are annoying. i have dropped the hz to 66 and the screen resolution to 800x600 because higher resolutions would cause the computer to freeze. does anyone have any catalyst settings or ATI display panel suggestions ? i wish i could attach the pictures i took of the display.
Dual Power Mac G4 867 & Macbook Pro 2gig Mac OS X (10.4.9) FCP Studio 5.1.2

Well, i tried your idea, bought the iceberq5, installed it with ease and things just got worse. 1st, my MDD Dual 867 mac's AGP slot is right next to my fourth RAM slot. So with the Iceberq5 installed, i had to lose 512mb of RAM. it just wont fit. the new cooler cover the RAM slot. so instead of 2gigs of RAM, i'm down to 1.5. 2nd, with the icebeq5 on the ATI card, the door will not close. the iceberq runs into the case holding my DVD drives. After booting the computer up with the case open, the screen still loaded with the screen defects. I'm thinking I have a bad card, yet it worked when the Sonnettech dual processor upgrade was not installed. these weird color lines only occur with the sonnettech md/1.6 dual upgrade and the ATI 9800 Pro installed. I then used TechTool pro to scan and check my AGP card VRAM and it gave me an error. So here is my question, is there another powerful AGP card out there for my mac dual 867 that has a powerful fan on it that is also small enough to allow my case to close and for me to have all my RAM installed ? Thanks

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I just recently purchased the ATi Radeon 9800 Pro Mac edition card on ebay. I installed the card on my G4 and turned it on thinking everything would work with no problems, but when I turned it on the grey apple screen came up fine and then it changed to a sky-blue screen with nothing on it and remained on that screen. My desktop or any of my apps did not load up at all. I reset the PRAM and the NVRAM as the seller I bought the card from instructed me to and still I get the same result. Is anyone familiar with this problem? I was wondering if my monitor was the problem because I'm using a Dell LCD monitor as the display for right now? I need help! I'm trying to get this up and running so I can start editing. Whatever information anyone can give me will be greatly appreciated!

Sometimes display cards that support multiple displays (or a second display card in the same Mac) can cause the display you are using to be the SECOND display in a multiple-display "extended desktop".
When this happens, the MenuBar and cursor may be drawn perfectly, but be on the "other" screen, and it is very difficult to determine what has happened. \[This problem is sometimes caused by inadvertently leaving an adapter or cable on an unused display port.]
Try moving the mouse many times to the right to see if the cursor suddenly transitions onto your screen, then try the same experiment to the left.

[Athlon64] MSI K8T NEO-V : incompatibility with ATI RADEON 9800 PRO

Hi,
I read all the subjets on this forum about Radeon problems with MSI K8T NEO motherboard. Most of the peple can't use their graphic card in all situations.
My PC is :
-MSI K8T NEO-V
-AMD-64 3200
-Power : 400W
-ATI RADEON 9800 PRO
-1 Go DDRAM (2x512 in single channel)
-Hercules Digifires 7.1
I bought a new MSI K8T NEO-V with AMD 64.
The problem is that I can't use the computer in the games with AGP 8X even if I try to enable-disable all the options possibles in BIOS and Windows (fast write ...) : The computer freeze (screen disapear as if there was no video signal), reboot or return to Windows disabling the accelerated mode.
But in AGP 4X, all the game run without problem with all setups of BIOS !!!
I tried all the drivers (the new and the old drivers). Even if all are updated, it freeze.
There are no BIOS update for my motherboard. I saw that some people had BIOS update for compatibility with some Radeon cards ...
So, I don't know how to repair the problem because AGP 8X is AGP 8X and not 4X, and my Radeon run fine on other computer, and nothing say that Radeon 9800 pro don't run on this motherboard.
Does someone have the solution to make it work ? Does a new BIOS or driver update exist somewhere for Radeon cards ?

What Bas said about 30+ amps on the 12v rail does have merit. Even if you don't use it now there may come a time when you want to upgrade the system and certainly you won't want to buy yet another PSU then. A High end vid card now takes almost as much as the CPU to operate. Now days the 12v rail is the most important. Past systems regulated everything off the 5v railk and 12v was used mostly for powering drive motors. Now though the MB's use the 12v line to regulate all the voltages for the CPU, Chipset and other features as does the Vid cards. 3.3 volt lines are used for memory so we hardly use any 5v nowdays.
You have an older viod card and that does not eat much 12v but if you upgrade the most likely peice will be the vid card. You could go through this whole thing all over again if you are not careful to plan for that now with a new PSU purchase.
If the computer shop gives you a bunch of bull about power needs havbe them stop by the forum and we can help set them straight on this. There is more than enough data from MSI and historical data here that suggests that 16a on the 12v rail is certainly not enough. Hey I am not trying to sell you anything. I am just trying to help you get it right. The computer shop is the one trying to sell you something we just feel they are selling the wrong junk.

Conflicts with ATI Radeon 5770?

Hello,
I am using a Mac Pro 3.1, 2x2.8 quad core Xeon, with OSX 10.6.7. I recently upgraded to a ATI Radeon HD 5770 in slot 1 and put my original ATI Radeon 2660XT in Slot 4 to run an older DVI monitor. It ran ok for a while, but my computer starting crashing more and more often--the black screen scrolls down and it says the computer needs to be restarted. I am using a NEC PA271W on the 5770 and a NEC 2180UX on the 2660. Removing the 2180UX seems to have helped. My computer has crashed only once since then.
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Thanks,
Drew Harty

If I read that article correctly, they don't mention using any combination of dvi and vga displays. The options they mention are:
2 mini display port displays and 1 dvi display
2 dvi displays
3 dvi displays
3 vga displays
(this article doesn't mention 2 vga displays, or my combination of 1 dvi display and 1 vga display).
Conspicuously, my combination of 1 dvi display, connected to the dvi port, and 1 vga display, connected to a mini display port with an apple mini display port- vga adaptor, occasionally gives me popcorn on my dvi display after waking from sleep, restarting, or starting up.
I've never had a problem with the vga display, but there seems to be a problem with the dvi display and connection through the 5770 card on my mid 2010 4-core.

Will the following ATI Radeon 9800 Pro work on a G4 MDD?

I have an ATI Radeon 9800 Pro, 128MB DDR, and I'm wondering if anyone can verify if it will work on a G4 MDD. It was bought for a G5, but that G5 doesn't exist.
Embossed on the front of the card it says:
PN: 109-a14400-01
On the back there are 3 stickers:
1) J53480YRQ74B 603-4070
2) SN + PN: 102A1440103 000009
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Google brings up some hits, but nothing definitive concerning G4 vs G5.
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If it looks exactly like this one, including the "teeth" along the bottom, it won't work in any G4.
This card has an "AGP Pro" connector, which gets all of its power through the slot (it has no molex connector).
Even if the card was cut to physically fit in a G4, the AGP slot in a G4 (any model) can not provide enough power for a 9800. It would fry the G4, the card, or both.

What would you replace an ATI Radeon 9800 Pro (256MB) with?

Hi,
I started a thread before asking whether I could replace a 256MB card with a 128MB card, even though the interface was a different shape.
But, as I know so little about Macs and graphics card, it seems wiser to ask
What would you replace an ATI Radeon 9800 Pro (256MB) with?
The computer is user for photo editing and normal internet/email use. The photo editing is done on Adobe Photoshop for professional treatment of photographs.
The computer is a Power Mac G5 (1.6GHz) and budge is £80 / $120.
Thanks in advance, Franc.

Hi-
Please check my recommendations in your other thread.
Better options for the 9800 Pro are the Radeon 9800 XT, Geforce 6800 GT, Geforce 6800 Ultra, or if one has the money or finds a good deal, a Radeon X800 XT.
For your budget and uses, the Geforce cards are a performance value buy.
BTW, I have owned all of the cards, used all of the cards, and tested all of the cards.
Graphics Cards- ATI and Nvidia
See my testing pages starting here:
Page 1: Open GL

Can I replace an ATI RADEON 9800 PRO-(256MB)-MAC EDITION with Mac ATI Radeon 9800 Pro 128mb Video Card For G4/G5

Hi,
I am trying to help a friend whose graphics card has bust.
The old one was an ATI RADEON 9800 PRO-(256MB)-MAC EDITION.
I've been looking on ebay and it seems a lot cheaper to get a Mac ATI Radeon 9800 Pro 128mb Video Card For G4/G5.
Can I just swap them over? The connectors are not identical according to the photographs.
Thanks.

I'd like to thank everyone for all the really useful information in this thread. It helped me solve a similar problem, which I'll describe here briefly in case it helps someone else.
I have a 2004/5 dual 2 Ghz PowerPC G5 and an Apple Cinema HD display linked, as I later found out, with the now defunct ADC connector. The display suddenly started to look like that scene in The Matrix, when code falls like rain down the screen, and I worked out I needed to replace my Radeon 9800 pro video card (I discovered the board was blue when I removed a thick layer of dust).
I took japamac's excellent advice and bought a Geforce 6800 Ultra from the linked eBay seller in Hong Kong, who delivered it extremely quickly, along with the cables to plug it into the DVD drive power source and a CD with installation instructions. It was only then that I realised the card had two DVI connectors and my display needed ADC (I hadn't understood the difference).
eBay came to the rescue again with a seller who had a secondhand DVI to ADC adapter, which Apple produced when it phased out ADC about six years ago but no longer sells. It has its own power supply and looks like a large version of the Mac laptop power cables - and has added signifcantly to the pile of spaghetti under my desk.
Installing the Geforce 6800 Ultra is fiddly, and a bit scary if you're not used to delving into the insides of a Mac, but the instructions were clear and illustrated with useful photos. The video cable has four connectors. Two fit into the end of the card, the other two (linked in a Y shape) form a bridge between the DVD/superdrive and its power cable. You have to remove the DVD drive, unplug it, and then plug one of the two Y video card connectors into the DVD power cable and the other into the DVD drive itself. Then you replace the DVD drive, plug the two remaining cable connectors to the video card and ease it into the old card's AGP slot.
Finally, with the G5 reassembled, plug the adapter's DVI connection into the back of the card, plug the Cinema Display ADC cable into the adapter block, plug the adapter's USB cable into the G5 (this enables the the USB ports on the back of the display to work), and power up.
At the time of writing, the display has been up and running for a couple of hours and all seems fine.
Thanks again everyone for all your help and advice. If it wasn't for communities like this, it would be virtually impossible to solve problems with old but still serviceable Macs.

ATI Radeon 9800 Pro 128 MB good upgrade from stock?

Hi,
I currently have an ATI Radeon 9650 in my Dual 2.0Ghz PowerMac G5.
I have found a good deal for an ATI Radeon 9800 Pro 128 MB card.
Do you think it is a worthwhile purchase?
Specs on the 9800: http://www.superwarehouse.com/ATIRadeon_9800_Pro_Mac_Edition_128MB_VideoCard/100-435050/ps/333809

No, what you want is this.
http://www.ati.com/products/radeonx800/radeonX800xtme/index.html
buy page is here
http://www.ati.com/buy/pricesmacusa.html
It has a Dual Link and a ADC port on the back, so you can hook up anything from a 30" Apple (Dual Link) to any regular DVI (hooks up to Dual Link) to any legacy ADC (plastic) Apple display.
It's also the fastest current card on the market for your machine.
Check out the ATI upgrade program, you might qualify for a discount.
They send you the new card, you send them the old. But it may be wise to have two video cards, one for backup as they are getting scarce.
3D gaming is always pushing the video card envelope, so it's actually best to get the best right away to prolong your 3D gaming experience.
If you "half-step" it, then when you use a new game, it's crippled.
3D gaming performance is almost entirely video card performance dependent.
See Barefeats comparison here
http://www.barefeats.com/radx800.html
I have the new Rollercoaster Tycoon 3, which 3D animates all the rides. I've created a park that's only 1/4 of the available space and I'm getting dropped frames on my 6800GT and that's more powerful that the 128MB ATI card you mentioned.
Quake 4 runs great on my card, Doom 3 is fine, just a few stutters.
UT2004 runs great. Nanosaur 2 is very smooth.
So spend your money wisely, get the powerful card. Trust me.

I have an early 2008 Mac Pro, 8 gb ram with a Dell 27" display and a 42" LG TV. I am thinking about upgrading the stock ATI Radeon 2600 graphics card for better resolution, preferring 2 dvi outputs. Does anyone have any suggestions on the best card?

I have an early 2008 Mac Pro, 8 gb ram with a Dell 27” display and a 42” LG TV. I am thinking about upgrading the stock ATI Radeon 2600 graphics card for better resolution, preferring 2 dvi outputs or 1 dvi and 1 vga vs 1 dvi and a mini. I don't do a lot of Final Cut Pro, gaming, etc. I am interested in best value for the graphics card.
Does anyone have any suggestions on the best graphics card for these larger displays for the best value?
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Kevin

I recommend you install nothing older than the Apple-firware 5770, about US$250.
RE: Mac Pro Replacement Graphics cards
1) Apple brand cards,
2) "sold in the Apple store" cards, and
3) "Mac Edition" cards ...
... show all the screens, including Boot up screens, Safe Mode, Installer, Recovery, debug screens, and Alt/Option boot screens. At this writing, these choices include:
1) Apple brand cards:
• Apple-firmware 5770, about US$250** works near full speed in every model Mac Pro, Drivers in 10.6.5
• Apple-firmware 5870, about US$450
2) "sold in the Apple store" cards
• NVIDIA Quadro 4000, about US$1200
• NVIDIA Quadro 5000, about US$2500
3) "Mac Edition" cards -- REQUIRE 10.8.3 or later:
• SAPPHIRE HD 7950 3GB GDDR5 MAC Edition, about US$480** Vendor recommends Mac Pro 4,1
• EVGA GTX 680 Mac Edition, about US$600
The cards above require no more than the provided two 6-pin aux power connectors provided in the Mac Pro through 2012 model. Aux cables may not be provided for third-party cards, but are readily available.
If you are Meet ALL of these:
• running 10.8.3 or later AND
• don't care about "no boot screens" etc AND
• can re-wire or otherwise "work out" the power cabling, THEN:
You can use many more cards, even most "PC-only cards"

ATI Radeon 9800 Pro screen issue Powermac G4 MDD?

So I bought a new ATI Radeon 9800 Pro 256MB and it seems to work fine, but when I restart I get this screen:
http://s79.photobucket.com/albums/j149/ralphiedee/?action=view&current=monitor2. jpg
But only when I restart it seems. Please any help would be appreciated.
I have dual 1Ghz processors
2 gigs of ram
plenty of hard drive space.

Hi Quarrypoint, and a warm welcome to the forums!
Hmmmm, doesn't look good, One way to test is to Safe Boot from the HD, (holding Shift key down at bootup), run Disk Utility in Applications>Utilities, then highlight your drive, click on Repair Permissions, does it do that in Safe Mode ever...
PS. Safe boot may stay on the gray radian for a long time, let it go, it's trying to repair the Hard Drive
Reboot, test again.
If it only does it in Regular Boot, then it could be some hardware problem like Video card, (Quartz is turned off in Safe Mode), or Airport in 10.4 & below.
I'm not certain what temps are reported on your G4, but Get Temperature Monitor to see if it's heat related...
http://www.macupdate.com/info.php/id/12381/temperature-monitor
And/or iStat Pro...
http://www.islayer.com/apps/istatpro/
If you have any temps in the 70°C/160°F range, that's likely it.
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Upgrade MacPro1,1 with ATI Radeon X1900 XT 512 MB and Open GL 1.7.7. to recommended system requirements for heli simulator: OpenGL Version 2.1 compatible 3D-graphics card from NVIDIA or ATI with 512MB.

I want to install a helicopter simulator into my MacPro1,1 with ATI Radeon X1900 XT 512 MB and Open GL 1.7.7. Recommended system requirements for the heli simulator are: OpenGL Version 2.1 compatible 3D-graphics card from NVIDIA or ATI with 512MB (at least as fast as NVIDIA 8600, 9400 or ATI Radeon HD 2400). Is there such a graphics card available that will work in my Mac Pro?

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ATI 5770 from Apple Store - like 1000s of others have done and in the comments section on the store page.

ATI radeon 9800 pro (256MB)-- Apple 23" HD

ive had this graphics card for a good couple of months, about 6 or so to be exact, a card given to me by a friend who just didnt need it anymore, upgraded to something or other.
now, the issue is that two days ago, it just stopped working. i tried to turn on my comp and it turned on as usual, but the monitor did not. i thought it was the adc to dvi adapter that i bought to use this type of graphics card for such a screen. but it reconnected everything and still nothing. i then finally got my old graphics card, yes i still had it =D, and i tried turning it on with the adapter still connected, simply swapped cards, and the monitor worked. since then ive tried reconnecting because i wanted to make sure the wires are ok but no luck with the radeon 9800 pro (256MB). anyone have any clues what i can do? it doesnt have warranty due to it being somewhat old, friend had it for a while.
annyone have different ways to connect this card? maybe i can try a different method? is there a place i can take this card, to see if it is indeed something wrong with the card and not something with my computer itself acting weird to it? oh and btw i have a powermac G4 (MDD) 1 gig or ram.

Hi,
The card symptoms do indeed sound like it's malfunctioning. If re-seating the card doesn't help, the aux. power is plugged in and the fan is running - that's about it.
Malcolm is right (as usual) about that card only being available for less than 6 months. In addition, it has a 3-year limited warranty from ATI. If it is the 128MB model, it still may be under warranty. I would persue that angle, for sure. ATI info
BTW, what G4 are you running? That would help us in answering further questions.
Regards,
Dave

ATI Radeon 9800 Pro 128 mb on Dual 867?

I have been reading up on doing an upgrade to my system. I was looking at a Mac version of the ATI Radeon 9800 Pro 128 mb video card for it.
For this particular machine if I find a Mac version of the ATI Radeon 9800 Pro, it will fit into the board won't it?
Also, I currently have the 64 mb ATI Radeon 9000 Pro. I should see a definite performance boost shouldn't I?
I am not a power user, and have 1 gig of memory on here, but since installing Ilife '08, it seems slower than it used to. I would like to move up to 10.5 and want to do what I can to make it run decently.

I'm using this card in my MDD Dual 867. First installed it with Panther and saw an improvement in some things. Nothing stellar for day to day work but it was noticeable. I then downloaded some game demos I was not able to play before (frame rates and all) and suddenly I could play them. It's worth it, especially when moving up to Tiger or Leopard with all that Core technology.

S-Video not working on ATI Radeon 9800 Pro????

I've had this ATI Radeon 9800 Pro in my MDD dual 1.25 G4 for a little while with two VGA monitors. I recently got rid of the secondary monitor and moved a 27" flat screen tube TV next to the computer. As I always do, I've got to start tinkering. I remembered that my Radeon has both VGA, DVI, and an S-Video outputs. I simply ran an S-Video from the card to the TV. I can't seem to get it to work. I had never used the ATI control panels so I went ahead and downloaded and installed it. It won't "detect" the TV in the Mac2TV control. What the heck am I doing wrong???? I emailed ATI and they just sent me a form reply to a dead link saying that my system is unstable. UGH!
Any tips would be great.
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Well, I figured out that if I reboot and only have the s-video attached and no monitors to the VGA or DVI it will work. It dedicates the TV as the primary screen. However, not the best picture. I can't find any information if both the s-video and VGA or DVI can operate at the same time. I'm also doing a little more research with ATI to see if they actually have a true component output from either the VGA or DVI. I had bought a DVI to what I thought was supposed to be component but it was actually RGB component and just gave a distorted image. If I can get that to work, I think it would be a better image along with being able to run both the monitor and the TV as the secondary.
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ATI/Radeon 9800 Pro 128 AGP 4x/2x in Gigabit Ethernet dual 450 PMac G4

Hi,
This is my first time posting to these discussion group... I've been going through related threads and have not found an answer to my problem...
I have a Gigabit Ethernet dual 450 G4. Awhile ago I upgraded the processor to a Sonnet 1.8ghz so I could run Leopard.
I just bough the ATI/Radeon 9800 Pro 128 AGP 4x/2x video card. I researched around and that seemed to be a card that would work in my machine. I even read a review on Amazon where someone had also upgraded to the 1.8 processor used this card with no issues.
I do have an older monitor - Apple Studio Display CRT with the ADC connector. So I also bought the Apple DVI to ADC adapter kit.
I installed the card and do not get any picture at all - I believe I have installed everything correctly. I'm pretty sure I can hear the fan on the video card in the machine. The monitor is getting power from the adapter since the button lights up when I press it - but it does not stay lit -- the monitor never turns on. Using my old graphics card the monitor makes a little "beep" when it turns on.
In reading the other topics I am wondering if it might be a power issue? According to Other World Computing's profile my machine has a max of 220 watts. Although they suggest this video card as one the will work in my machine.
I have disabled the hard drive that came with the machine (too small) and am using two Maxtor hard drives that I added - one ATA (120gb) and one SATA (500gb) that is connected to an SATA pci card. I also have two additional pci cards with usb 2.0/firewire ports.
In looking at the topics here I came across the link about taping the 3 and 11 pins on the video card. Even though the card I have is 4x/2x not 8x I thought I'd give it a shot. That did not work either.
Any help you can give would be greatly appreciated.

I don't wish to sound redundant here, but I've been reviewing the vendor's page:
It's OK- I don't mind beating this dead horse....
The maker says such to protect themselves from possible claims that may arise due to over loaded systems and power problems when their card is installed in said system.
Of course, 300w would be nice, but they didn't even specify the PSU rating a couple years ago. The Sawtooth, with it's 237w PSU, used to be listed as a compatible machine for the 9800...... They just didn't consider how far a Sawtooth might be modded.
Within reason, the early G4's (Sawtooths) are capable of using the Radeon 9800 Pro. The GE has the same 338w PSU as the DA (they are interchangeable), so there is plenty of power for the 9800.
One thing to remember, the requirements of the ADC port of the AGP slot are removed by using a non ADC card. This really changes the calculations of the power available.
It's kinda' a long post, but, if you care to get ALL the details, check the following:
http://discussions.apple.com/thread.jspa?messageID=7065653&#7065653
I think you'll be satisfied with the explanation.......
Which leaves your second, and very appropriate, point.
The main enemy of all, though, isn't power. Heat is the biggest concern.
Reducing heat/increasing cooling by using a third party fan on the 9800 is highly recommended. The 9800 is a hot card, and the stock fan is prone to early failure.
Adding additional cooling to remove the extra heat produced by the 9800, by using an exausting PCI fan, will also help the PSU provide adequate voltage to the system, by reducing the amount of hot air moving out of the PSU.
Super heated air moving through the PSU reduces the cooling ability of the PSU. A hot PSU doesn't produce reliable power.
So, add the 9800, add some cooling, and enjoy!

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