Media Encoder VERY Slow With Neat Denoiser Effect Applied

I understand that some 3rd party effects are not GPU accelerated and may take a bit longer to code, but this is ridiculous. I thought there might have been an improvement to this by now. I cannot possibly have a faster computer than i do now, and this is still a serious problem. Do you people at Adobe talk to these 3rd parties about their products? Red Giant is anotherr serious problem. I can't afford to wait for these long render times. I'll go out of business for sure.

Video DeNoiser plug-ins are notoriously slow by their nature, this is not Adobe's fault. Each HD frame of video has millions of pixels in it, and each pixel needs to be compared to those in the frames before and after to make a determination as to what is "image" and what is "noise" and the resulting clean image then needs to be calculated. Motion in the video complicates the process.
I use Red Giant DeNoiser II and which is now GPU-accelerated to make it a few times faster than it used to be, but it still takes many hours to do an entire program. Just how it is.
My suggestion is to apply the DeNoiser filter to the raw video clip prior to editing, to create a new (clean) clip using a lossless intermediate codec. Let that process run overnight. Then use that new clip for the editing without lag and with fast (normal) export times. If I apply denoiser in the timeline, everything grinds to a halt! Previews suck. I just process the raw clip in After Effects, export to Lagarith codec for instance (on PC), then edit that in Premiere. Mac users may want to use ProRes. Avid DNxHD is another good codec for Mac or PC.
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Jeff Pulera
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