Media Manager grabs full capture files

Hi All,
I'm attempting to archive a finished project comprised of ProRes clips. Typically, I've done this by using Media Manager to copy just the clips used in my timeline, and then backing that data up. However, for some unexplained reason, when I select my timeline in the Browser window and open up Media Manager, there's virtually no difference between the "Original" bar and the "Modified" bar, regardless of whether I check "Delete unused media" or "Include master clips outside the selection". It seems to be trying to include ALL of my source media in this managed version, which is befuddling.
Any suggestions??
josh

Awesome, that would be great.
It's the strangest thing. I have a 3-hour long program feed in DVCPRO HD 1080i60 that was used for b-roll on a project (not the best source, I suppose, but it's all we had), and when I try to media manage it copies the entire master clip, even though that option isn't selected. I'm copying only the footage used, like you mentioned, with 2 second handles, but it still copies the master clip.
I've tried making the clips independent and subclips, I've trashed my preferences, I've copied the sequence into a new project and even brought the original footage into a new project as well, but Media Manager always brings along the master clip.
Does it just not work with files that big?
Any ideas would be greatly appreciated. Thanks!
jesse.
(Oh, and my specs are: Mac Pro 10.5.7, FCP 6.0.5, QT 7.5.5)

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