Medium Setup Question. Wired between? WDS or Extend?

Hi, I have a Medium sized network. I need to know how to effiecienly setup my network for the best bandwidth and connection strength for the following:
Users:    25-30
Connections: WiFi ONLY
Source:       Single IP (NO DHCP from Router) (2Mbps Down, 512Kbps Up)
Security:     WPA2 and MAC Filtering
Area:          100ft x 100ft, Single Floor
Equipment: 1 x Airport Extreme (5th Generation)
                 1 x Airport Extreme (1st Generation)
                 1 x Airport Express (2nd Generation)
                 1 x Amped Wireless AP600EX Long Range Access Point (future use)
                  Cat 5e Cable
Should I Connect the 5Gen Extreme directly to the Router (wired), then add the 1Gen Extreme (wired) on the other side of the area to a port on the 5Gen Extreme. Both to provide WiFI.
I prefer to have a single broadcast network and allow users to "bounce" between the hardware seamlessly, as they are mobile and but mainly evenly distributed thoroughout the area.
WDS? 5Gen=main 1Gen=remote? Express&Long Range=remote? Will wired connection from the main help? If so, do the settings change?
or
Extend? Still connect wired between 5Gen and 1Gen Extreme? If so, do the settings change? Same or different channel?
Thanks for your help in advance,
Vern

You would connect the Ethernet cable from one of the LAN <-> ports on the "main" AirPort to the WAN port (circle icon) on the "remote" Airport.
If your "main" AirPort is working OK, you do not need to make any changes to it.
Is there any efficient way to divide up the NAT? Meaning, can both routers supply IP's:
No. The "main" AirPort must handle all DHCP and NAT for the entire network. The "remote" AirPort must be configured in Bridge Mode as I mentioned earlier.
See this Apple Support document for more details:
http://support.apple.com/kb/HT4260
I'm trying to take the load off one router by adding more ROUTERS.
You will create IP address conflicts and Double NAT errors on the network. I would recommend that you do NOT do this if you want the network to operate reliably and correctly.

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