MEGA 180 and Radeon 9700 Pro

i was reading and people sticked in an 9800pro and it worked fine so i took a gamble and got a 9700pro
ok took me 2hrs yesterday to stick the 9700pro in the mega and i had to take the psu, heatsink and cdrw out to do so and it booted fine the 1st time... then i installed the drivers and restarted the kb wasnt working so i thought it wasnt plugged in, checked it and it was plugged in so turned off the comp and turned it back on and the monitor was blank but i can hear it like loading so i reset the cmos and all i hear was beepings sound when i turned it on and nothing on the screen.... so turned it off again and waited a while and turn it back on and all i get is a black screen..... took out the 9700 pro and went back to onboard graphics and everything works fine again.... so i guess there is no way that i can get the 9700 pro to work on this right?
any help is apperciated thanks in advanced

Quote from: Dr Stu on 24-December-05, 20:31:08
where did you get the 9700pro from?
these are no longer manufactured, so i guess you have bought this "used" from somewhere (ebay perhaps?)
try it in another computer system, and see if it does the same in there. if it does then you have bought a duff card
yes i got it off someone used and no there is nothing wrong with it cuz i just tired it on my bro's desktop (p4 1.8ghz) and it works fine... and i just noticed that his psu is 250watts also and it works fine so then shouldnt it run on the mega also if it works on his comp with 250watts psu? or i guess its just differeent psu's??

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Haven't posted in a while, just wanted to spread a little good. Having a MEGA 180 is a little limiting with power supply and space issues etc but i've got a cracking setup working here :-)
I bought the MSI RX9800PRO TD128, despite a 300watt power supply warning for the card it works perfectly in the MEGA, but the good news doesn't stop there, the graphics chip is not a standard 9800PRO R350 core, for some reason it has the R360 core from the 9800XT, overclocking is a breeze with the ATI Tool. It comes default with a 378 core - 338 mem setting, I have saved a profile in ATI Tool with the XT settings of 412 core - 365 mem and they work a treat in UT, Q3, Tomb AOD and i've even stressed the card in 3DMark05 for quite some time and it just works, I dare say I could push it even higher but I'm happy getting XT performance for PRO money :-)
Overclocker New Zealand have even managed to get it up to an insane 479 core - 391.5 mem see http://www.overclockers.co.nz/ocnz/review.php?id=04vga00r9800promsi00000r9800pro0105
There is also another great thread all about this card at http://forums.extremeoverclocking.com/showindex.php?t=118366&highlight=rx9800
The ATI Tool is quite good, i've even created a profile for 2D that is underclocked for when I'm in windows so it keeps my system a little cooler with the XT settings set to kick in when I start up 3D, coupled with a Barton 2800+, 1Gb of PC2700 and the 120Gb Maxtor with 8Mb of cache and it is all just working well together, Win XP Pro with SP2 is rock solid, well it is for me anyway, :-)
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Win XP finds the RX as an XT, so no need to try and flash the bios, it isn't an XT PCB anyway, just an XT core.
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happy at last :-)
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Dont know if this will help but I had the same problem awhile back with an Asus A7N8X deluxe that I built for a friend. Sometimes it would initiate the monitor and others it would not. This drove me nuts for about a week, I tried everything that I could think of. This is what I did to remedy the situation somewhat.
Go to the ATI website and download the catalyst removal software and also download the Catalyst 3.7 driver from there "older" drivers page.
Now boot into windows and remove the ATI drivers and control panel from add remove programs, DO NOT REBOOT!
Run the ATI driver removal tool.
Shut down the machine, REMOVE THE POWER CORD,clear cmos, set the jumper for CPU fsb to 100mhz (safemode) and REMOVE your ram. Boot the machine, you will get a series of beeps indicating that the memory is not installed. Shut the machine down, REMOVE THE POWER CORD, Put the memory back in, reset the CPU fsb jumper to its normal position, and clear Cmos again. (this series of actions also solved my no display issue on my Mega 180 using the onboard graphics).
Now boot into bios and set it up the way you want then boot into windows and when windows tells you that it has found new hardware do not let it automatically install anything (cancel it). Now run the 3.7 catalyst setup and follow the instructions.
I am not sure why this worked to solve the issue but it did for me on both my Mega and the above mentioned system. I think there may be some odd conflict with the Nforce chipset and the ATI drivers and or Card bios.
Why it worked on my Mega is a mystery, I am using the onboard graphics and would have the system turn on with fans working and all but would have no display out.

KT4 Ultra and Radeon 9700 Pro

Ok I have a question. So it seems there is an issue with this particular card and the KT4 Ultra. So what in the $#%@ brand and model 8x agp card did MSI use to test the 8x function of this board? I thought the 9700 pro was the only 8x card out right now? If its not why wasn't it tested by them??? I hope this will be fixed by a bios update, but not for me, for the others out there, as for me, I am taking this back and I'm getting an Epox board, I heard Asus has similair problems but Epox 8x board works. Very sad that I had to spend hours trying to figure this out and it wasn't even my error.

ATI has already stated (about 2 weeks ago) that a problem does exist with the Radeon 9700 and certain 8x AGP boards. You can RMA the board and it will either be replaced or the BIOS will be flashed at no charge to you. Go to http://www.ati.com and send them an email.

KT4 and Radeon 9700 Pro......

Ok I found that all my 3d games lock up with any driver version, with all the via 4 in 1, trust me there is nothing I haven't checked. Another thing I found is the card works great on my other pc which is not an 8x AGP motherboard. So I hear everywhere on many other forums, "turn it to 4x agp on your board and try", oh boy I sure would if that section WASN'T GREYED OUT AT AUTO!!!!!!!!!!! Please MSI, what is the point of not letting us lower the AGP speed, especially if people are reporting problems with this card and your motherboards. I figured one time, just once, I would stray from Asus and Epox and buy an MSI since it advertised 8X agp ( god knows if they tested a real 8x agp card with the board ), this has been a major mistake, and since I have to live with it, all I ask is that you put out a bios update so we can lower the agp speed. thanks

4esth,
There is no way to allow the user to manually set AGP4x on an AGP8x card on MSI KT4 Ultra.
Did you come across any other VIA KT400 boards that allow user to manually set AGP4x on an AGP8x card, please let us know. Until now I haven't found one. Or else it would serve as a good point to request MSI. But I doubt there is any at the moment.
Other than that, I would suggest you to check for the heatsink condition on the card itself. Apply some Arctic Silver III if you have, lap the core if you dare as some core GPU is not FLAT and does not have good contact with the heatsink.

MSI KT400 and RADEON 9700 PRO

I'm having many problems with this combination: some games don't work.
I've read there are problems with agp 8x, any advice?
I can't play:
mechwarrior mercenaries
arx fatalis
platoon
thanx!

Since the KT400 is a VIA Chipset based motherboard and this is an Nvidia/AMD/SiS SocketA forum I am moving it to the VIA based forum.
Perhaps you can elaborate on exact problems and provide a complete hardware listing, including your power supply's combined wattage across the +5v and +3v rails.

KT4 Ultra +Radeon 9700 Pro Trouble Free !

After a few months of relatively trouble free gaming with KT4 Ultra and Radeon 9700 Pro, I was shocked to find recently that my PC began to crash after only a few minutes of gameplay. 8o
Believing that a reinstall of all the relavent drivers would cure the problem, I set about trawling through the latest advice on what works / doesnt work. This I have to say was a minefield of anecdotes, mainly bad ones - as most of you guys are probably aware !
After installing drivers as 'best' I could, the problem remained the same.
It would appear that to ask for a complete list of recommended drivers is futile, since there is little correlation between reported 'fixes'. There is always someone reporting that the latest versions are causing problems.
For the moment, this tale has a happy ending cos I found that the system is getting too hot (after some months !), so with the side panel off and a 12 inch desk fan blowing inside I managed a 4 hour session with now problems. )
The purpose of the post is to highlight the disturbing fragility of these systems (which i'm sure many of you have first hand experince), both in hardware and software and to share my disbelief at the apparent lack of sustained testing that these boards undergo.
Looks like a better cooling system is in order

It's unfortunate that most of the new hardware seems to pump out heat. The ATI 9700 pro use about 100W of power on it's own. The whole system puts out enough heat to warm a small room.
I have noticed that the heatsink on the ATI card gets very hot, even though it has a fairly serious fan on it (the fan on my Sapphire card is a lot like a blue orb).
I am wondering if a lot of problems with these setups are thermal. I have the KT4 Ultra and ATI 9700 pro and it has not given problems at all.
I have (from past experience) installed plenty of cooling in my case (a full tower, that helps too). I find that the cooler everything as kept, the less problems there are.
I think that at some stage in the near future there will have to be a change somewhere. Either in heat output (reduction in power use) or cooling.

Mega 180 and 9700 Pro: What kind of cooler can i fit on it?

Hi, i'm almosteady to order my MSI Mega 180. When i get it i want to put my 9700 pro into it, it's now working in a water cooled system, and i'm not really impressed with the Hercules cooler it came with. So what i'm asking is: what cooler can i fit on the 9700 pro and it will still fit in the Mega 180?
Some interesting options include:
Arctic VGA Silencer
Zalman ZM80C-HP VGA Heatpipe Cooler
ZM80A-HP
I'm thinking that the zalman's are to big for the case (but i'm not sure), i don't even know if the arctic is going to fit...
I don't want to overclock my system or videocard, so no excessive cooling is required.

Hi,
I'm not familiar with the dimensions of the 9700 Pro, but I think it is going to be a VERY tight fit. Be aware that you have limited space and you're probably going to (partly) block the exhaust from the CPU cooler. Last but not least, the power cables originate from the PSU on the same side as the AGP slot is located.
Perhaps you can read some of the reviews of the Mega 180 on the Net (search Google for "mega 180" and "review") and have a closer look at the pictures that are made from the internals.
Greetz,
JaDi.

MSI K7T266PRO2-RU and Radeon 9700 (non-pro)

Hi!
I'm thinking of upgrading to a Radeon 9700 non-pro,
and just thought I'd check this forum to see
if there are any compatibility issues between
my K7T266PRO2-RU and Radeon 9700 (like
there were between GF4mx).
If someone has a similar setup (k7t266pro2 w. 9700PRO/non-pro)
I would like to hear of your experience with this.
I appreciate your help.

Hi,
I can't remember any problems with it, as long as you make sure the powersupply can handle it.

K7N2 Delta-ILSR - Radeon 9700 pro - no power.

K7N2 Delta - ILSR (6570)
AMD Athlon XP2800+ (Barton)
nVidia GeForce III 64mb
1GB Samsung PC3200 400MHz DDR Original [2x512MB] [Checked nVidia site = Compatible]
40gb + 80gb Hard Drives
Sony DVD burner
500wat psu 3.3 - 28 / 5 - 40 / 12 - 17
3 extra fans
2 Cathodes
1 EL Cable
Windows XP pro SP2. [all drivers and Bios are upto date]
Everything works 100%
Sapphire Radeon 9700 Pro... No fans, No lights No DVD and 1 Hard Drive.
Power on... Continuous short BEEPS... Monitor comes on with the message "NO POWER CONNECTED TO RADEON"
The Radeon mostly worked for over a year, [trouble booting cold] now it does'nt. [not with my MSI]
The card works with my old board, LEX BN790E via KT266A, 512mb, AMD XP1700+ and all extras.
I have been building my own P.C's for years. Starting with a 386sx, a huge 2mg of ram and Windows 3.11
Everything is connected as it should be.

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The Radeon mostly worked for over a year, [trouble booting cold] now it does'nt. [not with my MSI]
The card works with my old board, LEX BN790E via KT266A, 512mb, AMD XP1700+ and all extras.
that is suggesting to me either your PSU is failing, or it is a Poor PSU with over-optimistic amp ratings (eg Q-Tec). it will all appear to work fine on your older board, as that has lower power requirements, have a look in my sticky Is your problem caused by your PSU? for more info and advice.
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Could people please read the entire post and NOT just the title.
that was a bit rude. people try to help by asking questions and giving suggestions. making responses like that is more likely to make people ignore this topic. Please read and comply with the Forum Rules.

MSI KT4 ULTRA-BFISR + Ati Radeon 9700 pro = not good??

Hello everybody!
First of all, i youst have to say that i think MSI have the best motherboards....
Here's the problem (i haven't buyed anything yet!):
I am going to buy MSI KT4 ULTRA-BFISR and ATI Radeon 9700 Pro, but i have read many places that Radeon aint working with MSI KT4-based cards! Im am going to buy an 520W Power (i aint so good in english so i hope you now what i write :D )
I am also going to buy 2 x Cosair pc3500 xms ram... Is this one working with the motherboard by the way?
But my question is: Will the Ati Radeon 9700 pro work with this card? (i must remember to buy the 1.3 version!) I am gonna get my Radeon 9700 pro from USA, how can i now when i order that is an 1.3 card?
Thank you for answering! :]

I think also that even there is two drivers, that is not a reaseon why it isn't work. One time I install only standard VGA drivers, but result was that I got two standard VGA driver. 8o
First time I try without VIA drivers, then with 4.42 and 4.43 VIA drivers. Result was almost same all the time, it always crash when Nature test start, but this exist also to older mobo (Abit KT7A-RAID). Problem exits few games they lock up or stuttering. Ati demos works fine, but one time that car demo stuttering a lot, but I transfer data at same, so I'm not sure what was reason.
This moment I don't have possibilities to try Hyperion 4.45 drivers or something else, because it's my friend computer.
MSI KT4V 6712 (Bios 1.0)
AMD Athlon 1.2
512 MB DDR 333 RAM
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ATI Radeon 9700 Pro (Club3D)
Power 300W
Realtek Ethernet card
Samsung 40GB harddrive
Samsung DVD
VIA 4.42 and 4.43
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KT3 Ultra with Radeon 9700 Pro

KT3 Ultra with Enermax 350 W Whisper Quiet Power Supply will not boot up with new Radeon 9700 Pro video card, but it works fine with Radeon 7500. :(

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Originally posted by Rob454
Hi,
What are your rails on your power supply.
+12v, 3.3, and 5v.
12 v = 17 A
3.3 = 32 A
5 v = 32 A
3.3 & 5 = 185 W ?(
Rob

AIW Radeon 9700 Pro card no work

I just put together this sytem:
Dual Opteron 242 (1.6ghz)
MSI 580 Master2
3 sticks Samsung 512 MB ECC Registered PC3200 400Mhz DDR
All in Wonder Radeon 9700 Pro
Antec 550 Watt TruePower:
+5V 40A
+12V 24A
+3.3V 32A
-5V .5A
-12V 1.0A
+5 SB 2.0A
At this point i turn on the computer and the fans go on but then the power is cut - I think by the power supply. After a while I realized how to at least keep the computer running - I unplugged the Radeon's REQUIRED power supply (via HD..CD.. etc power cord) and it worked, problem is video card wont work without that power.... So um what do i do.
Card worked on my former Abit comp which I have used for over a year....

Im going to shift this thread to memory, the All in wonder is not the problem, and the boot-up problem MSI knows about but has resisted to fix it probably because they dont know how, a workaround is to hotplug the power adapter in which is not the best or safest way but its the only way. My new case doesnt have a PC speaker for some reason so i ran a wire from a PC speaker to it... I get continous long beeps... sounds like memory problem, I've tried Samsung 266mhz 2700 (worked in my old comp), and what i want to use, PC3200 Samsung 400mhz. Both are ECC registered.
I have 3 sticks 512MB... they go in DIMM's 1 2 and 3 correct? And you only push down until the clips snap in correct? I've tried just one stick of both types in all 4 different DIMM's, same end, I tried no memory, same result.

Radeon 9700 pro problem with Far Cry game

When I playing far cry at High Deatils, after 5 minutes game will crashing, and i got graphic error message
I have Last update of official ati driver , and i tried OMEGA unofficial driver;
but problem still running.
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CPU P4 3GHz HT
RAM 4x256 dual channel
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Game crashing could be caused by few problems, could be software or hardware. Assuming we're looking into hardware, I suggest you run MEMTEST for your RAM and see if your RAM is defected. Other than that, I can't think of any reason than power supply. But you stated you have a 480 W which should be sufficient. It could be a known problem with ATI on Far Cry? But if this's the case, ATI should be able to deal with it via Driver Update.
If it's software, this is broad. Does Far Cry have any patch?

Radeon 9700 Pro & KT4V-L

Addition=ATI Radeon 9700 Pro displays Texture corruption, locks up
And freezes in OpenGl,
9700 Pro freezes and locks up in EVERY D3D Game I have attempted to Play.
I have tried 4 different sets of 9700 Pro drivers, tried different versions of Direct X (8.1, 8.2, 9.0 RC0)
Have disabled Fast Write and many other bios options.
Have RMA'd for 2 different ATI cards, still getting
The same problems.
Tried all the bioses, cleared CMOS, re-partitoined, reformatted, reinstalled Windows more than 5 times.
Tried beta AGP drivers aswell.
Tried installing with minimal amounts of hardware to reduce
Chance of conflict between 9700.
Radeon 9700 Pro is on it's own IRQ.
I have the latest revision of the Radeon 9700 pro now, rev 1.3
I have a 430watt Enermax PSU. Here's the rest of my specs.
MSI KT4V-L
AMD Athlon Xp 1800+
Maxtor 60GB ATA 133
IBM 30GIG ATA 100
LiteOn 38x#x#x
512MB PC2100 DDR
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Ouch,
I feel bad for you - I also have the same mobo and want to get a Radeon 9700 - I think I had seen you posting well on Rage3d with the same config, what happened?
What I would try next is what some users have done as a possible workaround...It looks like the radeon 9700 on the MSI KT4 likes HIGH mobo fsb - so you might want to try unlocking your 1800 and run at 10.5x166 or lower multiplier with a 166fsb...
before going 166fsb, try right now to bump your fsb with fuzzy logic up to 140-150 and see if it changes anything and report - don't go to high passed 150 though if you don't have good air cooling - also, set at least 1.775 on the cpu vcore going after 140fsb...if this does not help, then you might want to try what I put above...
Also, increase your PCI Latency to 64 in the bios (default is 32) - this is no risk really, so try that as well...
**** Of course before overclocking with the fsb, turn off Spread Spectrum in the bios...
If you increase the fsb, you will also need to increase DDR vcore to 2.6 am recommending...I've done that with my KT4VL and worse for different purposes...
Also, you might want to increase agp voltage a bit and see if it changes anything...
You're not done yet - looks like some users were able to run the same config so you never know...
Be careful when you OC, if you're not sure - ask first and take your time
Put your ram on SPD setting in the bios when you start bumping that fsb....
If I can find the post, I will put it here but some KT4 user has to do this (increasing fsb) to get his 9700 to work great...
Hope this helps,
--fibo
Also, go and post to the amdforums msi, as there are quite a few msi kt4vl users there...
Also here is the post at rage3d with successful runs:
Here

648Max and Radeon 9700 - Im confused

I just installed a Radeon 9700 pro. I was getting a beep sequence when booting and it would go no further. I would just restart the computer and it would come up fine.
Everying appears to work fine after that but I do not like things to work any other way than perfect.
I looked into these boards and have been reading alot about this issue and so I checked my versions.
I seem to have A revision 1.0 Motherboard and a revision 1.1 Radeon 9700pro(D33011).
Should I talk to MSI and ATI about replacing them?

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Originally posted by AMaskedMan
I just installed a Radeon 9700 pro. I was getting a beep sequence when booting and it would go no further. I would just restart the computer and it would come up fine.
Everying appears to work fine after that but I do not like things to work any other way than perfect.
I looked into these boards and have been reading alot about this issue and so I checked my versions.
I seem to have A revision 1.0 Motherboard and a revision 1.1 Radeon 9700pro(D33011).
Should I talk to MSI and ATI about replacing them?
i had boot problems with this combo when i first bought them. msi asked me when i purchased the MB and asked for a number on the box tht shows what month it was made. if it was made last september they had a issue with 9700 and the board and they rma''d the board and everything works fine now.
dont know if that would be your fix though but i would suggest talking to them.
other than that make sure your using bios 1.1 or 1.3 (heard 1.2 was problematic for 9700) and that your power supply is adequet.
Edit:
just saw you had rev 1.1 of the 9700. that rev has had boot issues with agp 8 MB's. so if the problem i described doesnt fit yours(not made in sept) you might talk to ati about getting a rev 1.3 or higher. i had to get the 1.3 when i was using a via agp8 board and people on Rage3d had problems with the same issues on the sis 648 boards also.

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