Mega 180 - Mobile XP CPU

Does any one know for sure if you can use a Mobile Athlon XP CPU in a Mega 180 system?
I'm buying the whole system this weekend, so I want to know if I can buy the Mobile CPU or a normal XP CPU? Thanks!!!

First you need to figure out your startup multiplier. You should be able to do that by going into your BIOS and take your operating frequency, divided by your bus frequency. I'm not on my Mega PC now, and I did this many months ago, so I don't remember if this will get you your startup multiplier. You could also download CPU MSR (http://www.cpuheat.wz.cz/html/CPUMSR_main.htm) and it can tell you your startup multiplier.
I have a AMD Mobile Athlon XP 2400+ (1800 MHz), and it has a startup multiplier of 6.
Once you have the startup multiplier, go to http://www.ocinside.de/html/workshop/pinmod/amd_pinmod.html, change to "socket view", and "AMD Barton", and (with my CPU, your multiplier may differ) to "3,00 x Systembus (6xFSB)", and "133 MHz FSB". You'll see the jumpers that are already present (on your CPU). Now change the multiplier to something else and note what jumpers changed. Those are the ones you have to put into your socket.
Make a printout of the socket view (or take careful notes). Now you have to go in your computer, remove the CPU, and carefully insert a 'U' shaped piece of fine wire (I used stripped piece of 30 gauge rework wire) between the two pins you previously identified. The hard part is making sure you correctly orientate your printout with the socket on the board. Careful!
In my case, I saw that changing from "6xFSB" to "12xFSB" was only one jumper. That would slightly _under_clocked my CPU to 1600 MHz, or if I changed the FSB to 166 MHz, it would slightly _over_clock my CPU to 2000 MHz. Nice! So, with the one jumper installed I could use a BIOS setting change to switch between conservative and aggressive (or cooler and hotter). The system ran reliably, and cool, even at the overclocked setting of 166 MHz (and that matched my DDR speed), so that's were I left it.
Hope that helps.

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Mega 180 Dead ?? Wont POST, HIFI Works. [SOLVED]

Hiya all, was wondering if anyone can help me out.
Been running a MSI Mega 180 for a couple of years now, without a problem, the system consisted of the following parts.
MSI Mega 180
AMD Athlon CPU
512MB Ram
40GB HDD
Sony DVD-ROM
This morning i carried out a small upgrade on my other system, which left my a Pioneer DVD Burner (DVR-108) spare, so i decided to swap out the old Sony Reader from my Mega180. I removed all the leads, opened h case and swapped out the drives. Upon plugging the Mega 180 back in the PC fired up as if the power button had been pressed. However it didn't boot i got a long beep from the unit followed by a 5 second gap then another long beep, i assume that this repeats, i didn't want to leave it beeping for ages.
I have since removed the DVD Burner, HDD and the RAM and am still getting the beeping, i have searched around the forum but cannot find the exact same problem. Is is the Power Supply that has died, the motherboard or the CPU??
The HIFI mode still works, and reads Cd's from the new drive. The Burner also spins up, ejects and closes while the PC is beeping, the HDD also spins up.
I have removed the HDD, DVD and all the internal casing to check the motherboard visually and all seems fine. here is my problem (the stock PSU is being used just connected externally)
http://s177.photobucket.com/albums/w237/Rich_Lumb/?action=view&current=Mega180beep.flv
(The quality is a bit poor all the beeps are the same tone/length/volume
Can anyone help me out??
I cant test the CPU as all my other systems are Pentium 4's, if i can ascertain that it is the CPU i will go buy another, i dont want to waste any money if i dont need one though.
Thanks Again,
Rich

SOLVED IT (I Think)
Was looking through the forums and found a unlucky fella with the same beeping as me, he fixed it by swapping the RAM.
I swapped the RAM from slot one to two, that DIDNT fix it so back into one again, the 180 then stopped turning itself on when i plugged in the Power Lead, the power button turned on the power but nothing on screen, also no beeping, strange
another CMOS clear later and the machine showed up the MSI onscreen branding and loaded the default CMOS Setting after pressing F1 up came Windows.
So i dont know what caused this, i might go again, i just dont know (i'm backing up incase)
Is it my PSU thats on its way out??
Will keep you posted
Rich.

USB and Mega 180 Temperature

Well, after 5 months I think I finally have my Mega 180 working.
One thing still bothers me, though. I have an external USB hard drive and everytime I connect it to the Mega 180 system the CPU temperature raises about 15 degrees, from 45C to 60C.
Do you have any ideas why this happens or what can I do to avoid this problem?
Thanks in advance, Ricardo

I've been working feverishly on my Mega 180 for the last month. I also have noticed a rise in temperature when plugging in any USB device. I have not seen alnything like 15c ... for me it has been more like 4-5c.
I was having typical temperaturs of 75c while timeshifting HDTV with a USB attached turner. However a week ago I took my machine apart and did all the things in this forum to reduce termps. I used arctic silver, lapped the heatsink, reversed the fans, and removed the extra sheetmetal. This dropped my temps over 20 degrees. And now the delta for using USB is only 2c.
So I can now do the timeshifting bit at 52c.... and therefore I'm no longer worried about the USB tempertature increase.

Mobile INTEL CPU supported in MEGA 651 ?

Hello,
will it be possible to insert a Mobile INTEL CPU, i.e. Mobile Intel® Celeron® processors, SL6VH, 1.3V, 1.80 GHz, 400MHz, 478pin PPGA, in the MSI MEGA 651 ?
I t seems the socket and the bus speed is ok.
But will the BIOS support this kind of CPU ?
Thanks for help.
Regards Bernd.

I ve got an 1,7 Ghz Mobile Pentium 4-M in my Mega 651, it definitly runs cooler then my older 1,7 Ghz Celeron, wich had 128 kb cach, not like pentium 4M wich has 4 times more cach (512 kb). Without modding the CPU, it runs at 1,5 (1,48) volt. Making the "bent pin trick" it runs on an extremly low volt - 1,08 (1,10) volt. This means lower heat output, then it's rated 30 Watt (wich it has at 1,3 volt, and 1,7 Ghz). The CPU now runs at 1,2 Ghz. At 1,1 volt I can overclock it to 1440 Mhz, but it runs safe, only at 1404 Mhz (at 4x117 mhz fsb). At 1404 Mhz I can even look at High definition video with PowerDVD. I also tried the 133 fsb trick, , isolating the Pin AD6 with nail polish, and it works fine at 1,48 volt and 1596 Mhz, and overclocked even at 1,7 ghz (142 Mhz fsb). But of course in this case the processor generates more heat. At 1200 MHZ it works without turning on the CPU fan, wich turns on only after hevy cpu loads (for example looking on DVD-s) You can browse the internet without the fan would turn on - you can hear only the sound of the hard disk, and the psu fan. I have got only one tiny problem, somtimes when I turn on my PC, after booting, the cpu fan does not stops, I dont know why, and it runs constantly, until I stop with Speedfan. I dont know why is doing this. Not allways, only sometimes, and I cant find out why...

"Easy" way to lower MEGA 180 CPU Temp

Let me start off by saying I haven't done this yet but I think it would work. I built a Mega 180 based machine for a customer and have had nothing but problems with it. I got a call from her last night to tell me that the CPU temp on the display is in the 70 C range and she is getting nervous about it (frankly, so am I). I'm picking up the PC from her in a few days to see if I can lower the CPU temp any. Here's what I'm thinking of doing:
1) Since I already lapped the bottom of the heatsink and used Artic Silver thermal grease, there's nothing else I can do in that area. It's already optimal.
2) The heatsink is 100% copper with lots of cooling fins. There isn't a better thermal material for a heatsink, within reason. Aluminum is no good. Basically, the design of the heatsink is good, but not perfect. First, why they would design the sink to suck hot air off of the video card and blow it through the fins is beyond me. Naturally, the CPU will never be cooler than the air that's being used to cool it. The heat sink needs fresh, cool air.
3) To provide the heatsink with fresh cool air I plan on first, turing the big fan on the sink around so it blows out, not in. Second, I plan on replacing the little fan with a bigger fan and position it so it blows in, not out. Then I plan on making a short duct that attaches over the fan on the right (with the front of the PC facing you) and extend the duct a few inches to the right so it is less than an inch from the side of the case. Lastly, I plan on using some lexan and making a very small deflector to put on the heatsink's exhaust fan. It will be about 1/2 inch wide and as long as the fan (80mm?). It will be tilted at a 45 degree angle. The deflector will channel the hot air away from the video card and towards the front left side of the case. This will avoid trading one heat problem (CPU) for another (video card).
If all goes well, a drop of 10 C under maximum load should be achieved. I'll let you know how this turns out.
I may also try the following:
1) Buy some RAM heat sinks and using thermal glue, glue them to the hard drive.
2) Position a 40mm fan so it blows on the heat sinks on the hard drive.
3) Position another 40mm fan so it blows across the chipset's heat sink.

god damn thats a great idea, why didnt I think of that
I lapped my heatsink last weekend, the hardware store where i got my sand paper didnt have any grid over 600 so I had to settle with that. But I'm still pleased with the results. I figured that that plus some some Artic Silver 5 would get me a bit on my way.
I would have documented it with my camera if the batteries just wasnt out :/
At the same time I installed a "silent" 15db@1500rpm 80x80mm Everflow fan on the left side of the case (when facing the front) that blows the air in. All of these efforts improved the temperature just a bit. The noise increased a bit but it isnt all that much trouble consithering I've spent my last couple of months with my ears next to a server that has the lovely sound level of around 60db (note: no case fans on the server at all)
As I recall the idle temperature used to be over 60c and now it sometimes drops below 50c. But most of the times its around 53-55c (all of this is at around 25c ambient temperature). But the heat problem while gaming is still a huge problem. When it hits around 70 the computer crashes.
But before my efforts to do something about it, it would die within 10min of high load. Now it can take up to about an hour (depending on how the ambient temperature is).
Next up I think I'm gonna try out your idea. Switch the fans, and maybe even install another Everflow fan having 4 fans totaly pulling the air through the case (but from right to left this time :P)
why call it MSI Entertainment Gaming Applicance if you cant entertain yourself by gaming on it ? =P
/Wezz

MSI mega 180 and mobile athlon xp

Does anyone know if the mega 180 supports mobile athlon xp processors? If they do, that would be great.. a xp-m 2400+ is rated at only 35 watts, which would make it very silent.

if you do a search on this forum for "mobile athlon" there are several threads documenting the laborious process of getting the XP-M cpus to work in mega 180. i personally don't think its worthwhile, but if you can manage it i believe it is worth it.

Mega 180 CPU and memory

Hi,
I am just beginning to assemble a MEGA 180, and I'd need some help regarding the components.
1) I will NOT use on-board video, so using 400 MHz RAM modules will be fine. Am I right? Do I have to change any jumper settings or the default BIOS settings because of that?
2) Can I use a 3200+ CPU with 333 MHz without any problems? The official MSI info is that 3000+ is the maximum, but there were some references that 3200+ also can be used, if it is the 333 MHz version. Is it right? Did MSI "officially" admit this?
3) Unfortunately, 333 MHz version of 3200+ is very difficult to find, most retailers have only the 400 MHz version. What should I do to make my system work with this CPU? Need some jumper setting change, and some BISO mods? What to do exactly? I'm not an experienced modder by far, so a detailed guide would be much appreciated.
Thanks in advance for your help!
Coix

as far as i'm aware, the nforce2 chipset used in the mega 180 mobo only supports up to 333mhz FSB
yes, an XP3200+ would work but only if it was the FSB333 version, if you can't get hold of one then an XP3000+ would be just as good, there's only a couple of hundred mhz difference in speed anyway, which you wouldn't notice
and i would suggest sticking with DDR333 (PC2700) memory too, there's no point having faster memory if it unstables things, again the speed difference isn't visibly noticeable, make sure you buy two sticks of the same type and brand and run as dual channel for best performance - i recommend crucial, samsung or kingston, all have worked fine in msi boards i have used before

MEGA 180 & Palomino cpu

Hi all, i tried the search function but didn´t find what i wanted.
so, will mega 180 work with a xp1800+ Palomino?
I intend to buy mega 180, but I have to know if my cpu will work for it.
if it will support the palomino, then i can buy 2x333MHz Kingston DDR258MB sticks.
otherwise I´ll only get 1 of those and then either a barton or a sempron cpu, sempron is supported?
oh, and how big is the box for mega 180? either in inches or centimetres

another question:
Would my old Duron 750MHz CPU work too?
Until I can buy either a Barton 2800+, 3000+ or sempron 2800 or 3000?
I´ll buy one of those in december.
I´ll use arctic silver when adding the newer CPU.
oh btw, I ordered the MEGA180 Deluxe with Kingston KVR333X64C25/512.
What Harddisk would be best to install into MEGA180?
I´m thinking of a 80 or 120GB HD´s from http://www.webhallen.com/list.php?avd=3&konsol=13&genre=53
Could this be good? http://www.webhallen.com/prod.php?id=11938
or is there better HD´s out there?

Mega 180 CPU support

Hi,
I would like to know if the latest AMD Sempro (socket A) 3000 would be supported by the Mega 180 as this model with a L2 512 is not listed in the MSI site.
The reference of the CPU is SDA3000DUT4D.
Many thanks in advance for your advise.

if it is a 333FSB CPU (which i believe it is) then it should work
you might just find it shows as 'Unknown Processor' if you're unlucky

Mega 180 CPU Fan

Hi,
has anyone successfully replaced the provided CPU cooler and fan of the Mega 180? I have seen a lot of postings about reversing fans and installing additional Zalman OP1, but none about replacing the CPU cooler.
Do you think a Zalman CNPS5100 (link below) would fit?
http://www.zalmanusa.com/usa/product/view.asp?idx=24&code=005009
Thanks, Ricardo

I also Bought one of these lovely little systems
but I was worried, whenever i started playing games (Call of Duty for example)
my CPU Temp went over 60 and Im near 100% i smelt a bad burning smell :(
Spec
3000XP AMD CPU
512 GB DDR Ram
MSI TV Turner Card
Sony DVD Rom/CDRW
I did have a 256MB G-Force FX Card in it, but was scared incase it wasnt helping the CPU Fans run and incase that was the reason for the over heating.
other nitemare i had with this was trying to get the Graphics card into the AGP slot :(
anyone has any ideas how to cool it down a little lmk
also whats the average temp on a tower case anyhow, i got one but no idea what cpu temp is

Mega 865 miss reporting CPU (mobile processor)

I've just tried installing a mobile 2.8ghz mobile P4 CPU into my Mega865. MCE picks it up as a 2.8Ghz CPU but it shows that its only running at 1.60Ghz.
Is there any way of getting the full speed outta the cpu? Any kind of software or something?

Just wanted to let you know that there is not a way to run the mobile cpu at full speed,
When a laptop starts up, the processor is started at the lower speed, then to change the speed a squence of events happen , suspending the cpu, changing the speed, re-enabling the cpu. The circuitry to accomplish this is not present on desktop motherboards so no matter what you set the speed for it will always operate at the low setting. Sorry, I learned this the hard way some time ago. There is also the the problem of adjusting the voltage to the proper level on these processors known as the "bent pin" trick. Google it and you will find it. The good news is that the processor runs cooler than the non-mobile cpus.

MOVED: Need help with msi mega 180 + athlon xp-m combo

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Need help with msi mega 180 + athlon xp-m combo

AFAIK, you shouldn't need a pinmod for a Mobile Athlon XP CPU to work in a nforce2 mobo
did you have any other CPU installed prior to this one? if so, refer here to clear the CMOS: Clear CMOS Guide
next, refer to your manual, or download from MSI, for location of the FSB jumpers; ensure J8 is shorted across pins 1-2, and J7 is shorted
finally, enter your BIOS setup menu, and under Advanced Chipset Features, set CPU FSB to 133mhz (or even 166mhz if you have DDR333 memory). the only thing i can't see in the Mega 180 manual is where you set the multiplier...
which is where the BIOS has limited overclocking features, and you might have a problem here
i think i'll pass this over to the Overclockers forum, where someone may be able to give a better answer....

Need help with msi mega 180 + athlon xp-m combo

Dear forummembers
I had a question regarding the athlon xp-m. I installed the cpu in my mobo and it works at a slow speed. 600mhz (multiplier @ 6, fsb 100) So I used a pinmod. Now it runs at 1400mhz (multiplier @ 7x systembus and x14), but I have 2500+ m @ 45 watt or something so it should run at 1862. The problem is my fsb. It runs only at 100. How can I change the FSB? I selected in the bios fsb 133 but it jumps back to 100 all the time. I have the newest bios available, downloaded and installed with liveupdate. is it possible to set the fsb in the bios, or do I have to change the pinmod again? I know the site for that: pinmod map viewer
I selected socketview, barton and 7x systembuss + 133mhz and I checked and checked again. I did inserted the pinmodwires like it's shown. I used 5 cutted speaker fiber wires (copper)
My current speed is: 14x 100 mhz, but I want 14*133. The multiplier is correct, but the fsb isn't. What is the problem? Does anyone know?
Here is an example picture, for people, who don't know what a pinmod is:

AFAIK, you shouldn't need a pinmod for a Mobile Athlon XP CPU to work in a nforce2 mobo
did you have any other CPU installed prior to this one? if so, refer here to clear the CMOS: Clear CMOS Guide
next, refer to your manual, or download from MSI, for location of the FSB jumpers; ensure J8 is shorted across pins 1-2, and J7 is shorted
finally, enter your BIOS setup menu, and under Advanced Chipset Features, set CPU FSB to 133mhz (or even 166mhz if you have DDR333 memory). the only thing i can't see in the Mega 180 manual is where you set the multiplier...
which is where the BIOS has limited overclocking features, and you might have a problem here
i think i'll pass this over to the Overclockers forum, where someone may be able to give a better answer....

About to buy the Mega 180

Hi Everyone... I am looking to build a SFF/HTPC system for our bedroom. We want to be able to watch movies on it, use it as our Stereo system, Internet, and some Video conferencing stuff (cause in my new position it include travel). Before I go out and purchase everything I would like to run things by you guys and get some comments, feedback, suggestions, etc... Also note the system will only be connected to a TV no monitor (might use one for set up is about it).
Purposed System:
Mega 180
Dual DDR 400 (2x256 - I already have this ram sitting around right now)
AMD XP2500+ (Does any one know if I can use the Mobile CPU in this yet?)
Seagate 200GB HDD (Bought it already... CompUSA had a good sale)
Lite-On 16X DVD Dual Drive, Model SOHW-1633S
MS Wireless KB & Mouse (Already bought)
Logitech Z640 5.1 Speakers
Logitech QuickCam
Windows XP Media Center 2004
I'm considering add the ATi 9600 AIW as well.
Any and all constructive comments are welcome. Thanks guys/gals!

for starters, if you are not using a seperate video card, then i wouldn't have bothered getting DDR400 memory, as it will only run at 333 anyways
the Mobile XP2500+ SHOULD (in theory) work, but note elsewhere that people have had problems with it
if you are looking to overclock this system then i seriously wouldn't bother, as the cooling system is poorly designed and temperatures run higher than normal - even at stock speeds
otherwise everything else should be ok
oh, and Windows XP Media Center edition is not available to buy, only if supplied with an official Media Center PC... unless you've got a copy from elsewhere of course

Mega 180 Temps

Let me start off by saying that the Mega 180 is a great idea for a product but unfortunately it is not finished. MSI is using us as beta testers - at our expense. I build computers for people as a side business and against my better judgement, I built a customer a Mega 180 based system and I've had nothing but problems with it and it's damaging my reputation. But, OK enough of that.
One major problem with the Mega 180 is it's CPU and hard drive temp and here's what you can do to fix it. First off, the CPU heat sink is nice and big and made of copper - very nice. However, the underside of the sink (the part that touches the CPU) is absolutely aweful! The bottom should be mirror smooth. Mine looks like the surface of a record. Therefore, you need to lap it. Look this process up on the net to see exactly how to do it. Once lapped and the bottom is mirror smooth and you can see your reflection, use ARTIC SILVER thermal grease (just a tiny bit) and put the sink back on. Your CPU temp under load will be about 8 degrees cooler. Next, replace the small fan on the cooler with a bigger one (make sure you use one that's sensored, like the one you're replacing). Lastly, get some flexible ducting from the hardware store (plastic, not aluminum), attach one end over the sink's big fan and carefuly route the other end to the side of the case (may not be possible if you are using an AGP card) and position it so it sucks in outside air. Now that your CPU is cooled with fresh air, you will see another 2 - 3 degree reduction of CPU temp.
Finally, the hard drive is way too hot. I measured it with a IR temp meter after a full defrag and my jaw hit the ground when I saw how hot it was - 152 degrees F. That type of temp will kill your hard drive. Fix this by placing a fan inside the case (RAM side) blowing fresh air right onto the hard drive. This brought the temp down significantly. It also cooled other items too (CD drive, chipset).
The only downside to this is your system will be louder due to fan noise. However you will have fewer system lock-ups and mystery reboots (caused by overheated components).
One last idea, if the case is just too cramped for you, remove the power supply, buy a new one and mount it outside the case on the back. It doesn't look good but it sure frees up space and improves air flow (plus you'll have more power if you buy a higher watt supply).
Peace!

Hey cb31,
Even though this thread is about temps, I too think noise is the biggest problem with the Mega, and my current efforts are targeted at killing the constant background noise. My goal is the same as your's - I want to leave the computer on most of the time and not be bothered with it.
I'm proceeding slowly however, and so far I've only done the following:
-Replaced the 60mm Delta fan with a Papst of the exact same size. I found the Delta to be noisy, while others report that it's doing ok. Don't know about you... The Papst is really quiet and actually cools a little bit more effective, though that's a bonus feature! But on the overall it didn't have the effect I hoped for
-The smaller Delta fan (outtake side of heatsink) already is quiet enough, so doesn't need to be replaced on behalf of noise anyway...
-Took out the PSU and put White Lithium Grease in the fan for smoother operation since I figured it made a lot of noise. That didn't help much either... I'm thinking about replacing the PSU fan with something better, even though a lable on the back of the PSU states "W/ Noisekiller". It's still a no-name fan and can be improved upon.
Right now the loudest noise in my Mega doesn't seem to come from any fan at all, but rather from the hd. And it's not so much the actual noise from the unit as vibrations reverberating through the chassis. A common problem obviously, but there isn't any room for hd suspension systems in the Mega, so other actions are required here! I tried to slide in thin sheets of plastic between the drive and the cage, to act as silencers, but that didn't have any real effect as the cage touches the drive in several places, thus transfering the vibrations anyway. A new drive cage could do the trick, but I haven't gotten that far yet, and might not ever...
The Seagate Barracuda is considered to be a silent drive, so replacing it probably wouldn't help.
To conclude: If your fans are noisy, replace them or grease them for better operation, but you might not even hear the difference...
The major flaw seems to be the internal design of the Mega, and there's isn't much to be done about that, unless you're handy with a Dremel and sheets of metal. I might be, but I will have to get back to you on that!
Cheers!
-M

Mega 180 - Mobile XP CPU

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