Mega 180 -- POST signal and no startup when cover is on...

Hi-
For some strange reason, my mega180 won't start when the housing cover is installed.
It runs fine when I pull the cover off. Is there some kind of server style protection going on? I haven't done anything different with the machine. Appreciate your advice.
MZ

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SOLVED IT (I Think)
Was looking through the forums and found a unlucky fella with the same beeping as me, he fixed it by swapping the RAM.
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another CMOS clear later and the machine showed up the MSI onscreen branding and loaded the default CMOS Setting after pressing F1 up came Windows.
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