Mega 865 configuration - will it work?

Hi there
I am just about to take the plunge and build myself a Mega 865 and have a few concerns over what I intend. The configuration I am thinking of is as follows:
Mega 865
P4 3.0Ghz 512 cache 800fsb
2 x Corsair 512Mb DDR400/PC3200
Maxtor Diamondmax Plus 9 160Gb Serial ATA 7200 8Mb Cache
MSI DR8-A2 DVD-RW
MSI GeForce FX5900XT
Nebula Digitv PCI card
My concerns are as follows:
1) Will the GeForce FX5900 physically fit in the Mega 865?
2) Will the PSU supply enough power for this configuration?
3) Will temperature be a problem?
Any advice on the above would be greatly appreciated, along with any other issues that I may have overlooked.
TIA
Blinkie

1: It will eventually fit when you carefully route the power wires.
2: Don't know, if your're lucky: be aware that the PSU has effectively about 200W (when heat is involved)
3: Heat will be a problem but can be managed: look at the thread of Anakin on this forum.
Check for the serial ATA connector onboard. I don't know about the 865, but although the 180 has a serial ATA power connector, it cannot be connected to the motherboard.
JaDi.

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DVD/CDROM
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Installing Windows XP
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Prescott processors & full size AGP cards
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Please note; According to MSI, Prescott processors in combination with full-size AGP (add-in) cards are not supported. This is most likely a power issue since the full-size cards use a lot of power to run. Some forum members, stuborn as they are, are running with a full-size card.
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http://www.jscustompcs.com/power_supply/
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Club3D Radeon AIW 9800 PRO
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Alas, no external programs are available to 'drive' your LCD display. Nor will MSI release an API/Blue print on how to control it.
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After much searching I found the elusive registry changes and applied them to my system. Unfortunately these changes made no discernable difference to the DVD playback.
While I appreciate that there are a number of Open Source projects in development (dependant on 'Girder', pay software that still does not appear to FULLY replace the advertised functionality of the Remote/LCD/Radio etc), and also alternative products that I could purchase, I do not feel that I should have to buy these to make my MEGA media center PC play DVDs.
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