Merge clips and preserve audio clip names?

Hey Guys,
I'm about to start editing a new project of mine that I just shot. I used Premiere to edit my last project and loved it, save one problem I had after using the "Merge Clips" feature to sync my audio. In order to save time, I used Merge Clips to sync my picture and sound rather than do it manually. The feature worked really well, but I didn't notice until it came time to export my OMF that the "Merge Clips" feature had renamed all of my audio clips to the same name as the video clip it was sunc to. This resulted in many broken links in the OMF.
Is there any way to use "Merge Clips" or a feature similar to it, that preserves the names and metadata of the master clips you're syncing? I might just do it all by hand to be safe.
Thanks,
Joe

I do believe we've uncovered (yet another) bug. For the life of me, I couldn't get a video to sync to its respective WAV. The audio from both sources was clean and clear; if Premiere couldn't auto sync this, it couldn't sync anything...
Then the funny part: it could sync everything else together perfectly (DSLR, GoPro, HDV). I must admit I was impressed, GoPros record fairly horrible audio- but Premiere managed to sync them accurately and quickly with the other cameras. It just treated the external audio as foreign and refused it.
Can someone from Adobe chime in? I'm here for questions.

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File Not Found bug with long audio file names?

Hello -
Crazy problem. I'll probably post way too much information, but I want to make sure I cover everything. Help!
We run Logic Studio/Logic 8 on multiple 10.4.10/11 computers - G5 Power PC, new intel iMac, intel mini, G4 laptops. We are working on an audio post job using very messy OMFs that were prepared in Final Cut. We had problems opening them in Logic, so we opened the OMFs in Soundtrack Pro, exported to AAFs, and opened those in Logic.
The sessions look fine in Logic now (all files relinked), and the session is consolidated - ie, all files are local/in the project folder's Audio Files folder. I see this in the Audio Bin and can confirm in the finder.
Here's the problem. With the sessions closed:
(A) I renamed the project folder by adding an asterix to the front of the folder name, and changed the color label of the folder in the finder in order to mark it as the original folder.
(B) I made a copy of the whole folder (session files & audio files) in order to have something to work from and not mess up the original. When I opened up the session in the new folder, it immediately said audio file not found, do you want to search, locate, or skip. It couldn't find the file in a search, and obviously when you skip, then skip, then skip all, it opens the session with the data (regions are there but grayed) - so all the audio files are orphaned.
So when I try to locate the file, here's what happens. . . The audio file names are really horrendously long (must be some artifact of working in Final Cut). We're talking: "1087-001A SERG AIRPORT WAITING * 1-1channel_00044D02AA9- 363A-4CC5-A86B-0741023DB062.aif" - one bazillion characters.
So the audio file locate dialog box truncates the name of the file that's missing by using the first 20 characters or so, and then a "#" character, and then some random string of 3-6 characters that is not at all related to the file name. So who knows which of the 4-30 SERG AIRPORT files is supposed to go there!
Obviously if this were a 2 minute session file of 10 files or something, we could figure it out and relink everything, but we're talking about a feature-length session with a bazillion files.
(C) Okay, so I tried to open the original session, in the folder that I had renamed by prefacing the original name with an * and changing the color of the folder. But I started to get the file not found errors. OH GEEZ. So I didn't save. I re-renamed the folder by taking out the * and changing the color label back. Then I tried to open the session again, but I still kept getting the file not found problem.
I have to stress that I didn't move any of the audio files, or change ANYTHING in the session.
So I thought - is all of this because I tried to open a new instance of the session, in a new instance of the folder? Is it because I renamed the folders? Normally you can rename folders, even session names, no problems, and Logic corrects the paths to the audio files!
(D) So, crap. I reopened the original AAF file in logic and saved it in a new place. I closed the file, reopened it, closed, reopened, just to make sure everything was working! I checked the location of the files in the audio bin, and everything was great.
(E) So now I copied the folders to an external hard drive to be able to work on another computer. But when I tried to open the sessions on a new computer. . . You guessed it, nada.
So. . . the questions are:
(1) Those original sessions that now will not work - is there anything I can do to recover their functionality? We had work in there that I would prefer not to lose. . .
(2) Is this a known bug having to do with the length of the Audio File names?
(3) How do we get over this? My only idea so far is we could select all in a working logic session and say "Audio Tracks names to regions" or something and will that change the actual file names on teh computer? Then hopefully things would work on mulitple systems. . .
Okay. HELP! Thanks!
Polly

OK I got it.
It is necessary to use prefix "file:///" before file name.
Thanx everyway.

Merged clips and modified audio channels bug/issue

My problem is that if I create a merged clip and modify it's audio channels Premiere (both CC and CC2014) does not respect the modification under specific circumstances. These circumstances are: if I use keyboard shortcuts or the source window buttons for overwrite/insert to cut the merged clip into a timeline. However, if I drag & drop the clip from the source window or from a bin into the timeline Premiere will respect the audio channels set through modify audio channels.
Here are steps needed to create my problem. You will need a video clip and an audio clip with at least two channels to reproduce this.
1. Create a merged clip from the video and audio. Does not matter if you have "Remove audio from AV clip" enabled or not.
2. Right click on the merged clip in the bin and select Modify -> Audio Channels.
3. Set the merged clip's audio channels to Number of Audio Tracks: 1, Channel Format: Mono. Set the source channel for Audio 1 to anything except Channel 1. Click OK.
4. Make sure you have the merged clip open in the source monitor. Use keyboard shortcuts (. or ,) or the insert/overwrite buttons in the source monitor to cut the clip into a sequence.
5. The merged clip in the sequence will use channel 1 for audio, even though it has been set to use another channel.
6. Now try drag & dropping the merged clip from either the source monitor or from a bin into the sequence. It will now use the audio channel that has been set through modify audio channels.
My workaround is to use drag & drop for now for affected clips, but in the long run this is a pain in the backside.
My question is if this is something that affects other users as well. And while I'm waiting for a fix, if anyone has any suggestions on how to get modified audio channels to work properly, I will gladly listen.
I have filed a bug report for this. I have reproduced this on multiple Windows 7 machines with Premiere Pro CC and on two Macs with both CC and CC 2014.
EDIT to add: I have been in discussion with Rameez from Adobe about this through the support chat and have been told that this is working as intended. He suggested I post a thread about it to see how other editors feel about the functionality. I personally feel that the way it works now makes no sense at all. If others feel the same way, maybe this issue can be fixed in a future update. So please make your voice heard.
EDIT to add: In most usage this might not be an issue at all. But if for example you have external audio on multiple channels and to make sure you have a clean timeline, you wish to remove extra tracks from your merged clips and those extra tracks happen to be any track before the last one(s), you will find that editing the merged clip in in any other way than drag & dropping it in the sequence will result in you losing those last tracks instead of any tracks in the middle that you have disable through modify audio channels. I would think that the audio channel modifications should work no matter what way you cut the merged clip in.
Message was edited by: Jaakko Rinne

Going to try, but here is my workflow and have not encountered any problems until this last P/U days footage. I've been doing things this way because I found having all files in the project was causing it to crash constantly when I was working. I have a new I7' processor IMac with 24 gigs of RAM. And since Premiere does not allow you to have multiple projects open at the same time (Wish this would change. Avid and FCP both allowed multiple projects) I have to do things this way.
Pre-workflow Project File
Label all Video and Audio files to match Scene #'/Takes
Set in points on all video and audio to reflect slate
Merge Clips
Working Project File
Import only Merged Clips into Project. Either via import or copy/paste
Now I've done this workflow from just about the very beginning. Deleting all of the original source video and all audio clips from my working project so only my bins containing my merged clips remain. Have had no problems and edit has been smooth. Did a pickup day last week, followed same steps as I've done in the past, imported the merged clips into my working project and the clips have the audio set to none by default. Now once I go into the sequence I can manually set it and it's there but I cannot play audio in the source monitor which is how I edit, there's no reason I should have to go back to the crappy FCP way of editing doing the copy and paste from a sequence.

Syncing Audio with Merge Clips option and OMF export question/issue

Hi,
In the past when I've edited video, when it came to syncing audio I always did it manually. This time, using Premiere Pro CC, I used the merge clips option, to speed up the syncing audio process, which was a huge time saver with excellent results.
The question/issue I have..is that when I get my OMF exported for my sound editor, will this screw anything up, since on the project file, it doesn't use the original audio file, but the one that was merged. And in the project list, I don't even need to have the original audio file listed, since it's already been merged into a clip, which I used in the project. I know it's the same file used, but will it mess anything up since a merged clip audio was used instead of just dragging the original track onto the timeline?
- Ken

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Missing Audio with Merged Clips

I'm experienced a very confusion and frustating kink in clip merging process. I suspect other people have encountered it before, but I can't find where. I'll post tech details at the end.
I merged clips by marking an in point on the audio and an in point on the video. I placed both clips in to my timeline. I deleted the stereo track that came with the video. I linked the 4 mono channels to the video, and dragged them over to a bin, where it asked me to name the merged clip, and I named it according to the scene.
I had no problems working with them
Upon returning to my work, however, some of the audio seems to be missing. That is, the top of the four mono tracks is there, but the other three, while there in the timeline, play no sound - they don't have any waveforms anymore (it is not any kind of mute track issue, the waveforms themselves are gone).
I have since tried merging clips directly in the media browser, using in points, and this seems to resolve the problem. While I am happy to see a solution for the future, I am on a very tight deadline and don't have the time to re-merge all of my hundreds of clips.
This is an awful bug that Adobe has got to fix.
Thanks!
Shot on canon 5D
From Properties:
"Type: MPEG Movie
File Size: 1.3 GB
Image Size: 1920 x 1080
Frame Rate: 23.976
Source Audio Format: 48000 Hz - compressed - Stereo
Project Audio Format: 48000 Hz - 32 bit floating point - Stereo"
Audio on dual system (unsure of which model):
From Properties:
"Type: Windows WAVE audio file
Source Audio Format: 48000 Hz - 24 bit - Mono
Project Audio Format: 48000 Hz - 32 bit floating point - Mono"
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I created a new user account and trashed my preferences and I have the same problems. I created a new project, and new sequences. Same problems.
It only happens with 23.98 (batch reverse telecined using Cinema Tools) NTSC DV clips that have been merged with separate 24-bit 48 khz Quicktime audio clips (converted from BWF using BWF2XML). Clips that were captured from the tape with audio and video simultaneously don't have this problem. The discrepancies between the actual amounts trimmed and the white numbers in the trim windows are consistent. If it's off by 6:10 on a clip, every time I try to trim that clip it will be off by the same amount. But the number varies from clip to clip. It's generally 5-8 seconds.
If I try to trim only the audio, I don't have any trouble. If I trim the audio and video at the same time I don't have any trouble. It's only when I trim the video on its own. If I use the original video clip before it's merged with an audio track then it trims fine. If I cut the merged clip into a sequence then delete the audio track from the sequence the problem remains.

Problem merging clips automatically using audio waveforms

I am new to Premiere Pro CC and am trying to use CC's new audio synch feature. I'm following the steps outlined in this video http://tv.adobe.com/watch/learn-premiere-pro-cc/merge-clips-automatically-using-audio-wave forms/. Even though production used a slate, and camera has audio reference, I am unable to synch, and keep getting this message: "Could not synchronize one or more clips in the current selection because a match could not be found." Any thoughts?

It doesn't seem to work when you include a stand alone audio file. I'd consider it a bug.
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Anyone know if this is just a problem with my project, or if it's a bug in Premiere? Had a lot of trouble with merged clips in CS5.5, and was hoping they'd be solved by CS6 - I've been using Creative Suite for a long time, and the lack of good merged clips support was always one of the challenges in persuading other indie editors to switch over from FCP...
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...and the lack of good merged clips support was always one of the challenges in persuading other indie editors to switch over from FCP...
I guess they just have to weigh that up against the lack of support they got from Apple for FCP in its entirety.

How do I get my merged clips to reconnect with their audio?

I am on FCP 7 syncing audio and video with ProRes 4444 @ 23.98. I am merging clips into bins labeled according to their scene. Pretty straight forward.
We then decided to go to ProRes 422 proxy to edit on a smaller faster drive at a lower cost. I transcoded the footage to 422 proxy with MPEG Streamclip same frame rate, same dimensions 1920x1080.
Next I go to relink the footage. Audio relinks and gives me this message: (Keep in mind these are copy and pasted files on the new hard drive).
"Some attributes of one or more of the files you have chosen do not match the attributes of the original.... The attributes that differed are as follows:
- Media start and end
Would you like to try to reconnect them again?"
Video relinks and gives me the same message, but adds "reel" as another attribute.
I've seen these messages before and nothing has come of it so I didn't think anything of it at first. Checking all the individual audio and video clips. Everything is playing fine.
THEN I go to play my merged clips... no audio!? Double click a merged clip in the browser, clip plays in the viewer but NO AUDIO. Right click on the merged clip file, select Item Properties and format. It is recognizing the correct audio clip that should be playing in the info there. I drag the clip into the timeline and I can see the shadow of the audio and video clip but when I let go in the timeline only the video appears.
How can this be?? What am I missing??
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How do I edit a merged clip in Audition, that was created in premiere to correct the synchronisation, and have it all updated to the premiere clip?

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How do I edit a merged clip in Audition, that was created in premiere to correct the synchronisation, and have it all updated to the premiere clip?
I have tried several tutorials but these either:
- show correction in premiere sequence (which is not practical; given the huge number of files we have)
- or show the editing in audition of a sequence, not the clip.
We have started merging audio and video (removing the original audio during merge) but some of the merged clips are out of sync, so we need to correct manually, BUT we want to correct the merged clip, which may or may not end up being used, so we do not want to take it to the sequence as all we are doing is prepare the synced files for editing.
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premiere will either export a complete sequence or "edit clip in audition". the edit clip will create a copy of the original audio and open that in audition. there is no dynamic link, its just an audio file open in two programs at the same time. since there is no dynamic link, its not possible to bring merged clips into audition.
Adobe Premiere Pro Help | Synchronizing audio and video with Merge Clips
Once created, the merged clip cannot be re-synchronized, or adjusted. You must make a new merged clip.
Merged clip audio results in mono track audio only.Final Cut Pro XML and AAF interchange formats are not supported.
this doesn't give me much hope that audition or any other adobe program outside of premiere will help you fix the problem merged clips.

Sequence and clip name keeps changing... Why ? Solutions ?

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I made the sequence off line and save it as a new project. Then deleted the preferences and opened the project..... reconnected the media. Most of the clips showed the correct clip name and the sequence name also didn't change. But a few audio tracks still had the old problem....
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I'm running into a weird problem after using the Merge Clips option. I have my video and audio selected, I've already moved the audio so they're both synced. It looks like this:
Then I use Merge Clips and pull the new file into a new sequence which in turn looks like this:
I checked the audio channels for both and apparently the merged file separated the left and right audio channels into two separate streams as opposed to using the single stream for both channels like the original.
Anyway to prevent it from doing this?

So according to Adobe's website: http://help.adobe.com/en_US/premierepro/cs/using/WS2bacbdf8d487e582-73725e6a12e5a6165d0-7f ff.html
At the very bottom they list limitations, one of which being "Merged clip audio results in mono track audio only."
Which I was familiar with before posting this. It doesn't seem however that the two tracks are mono it looks like they are two separate stereo tracks. If I mute one I still get audio in both speakers even though I muted the "right" track.
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Trying this again, having a major problem since update working with merged clips. I merge all my video and audio clips in a pre-workflow project in premiere pro. Just got my footage back from the shoot, labeled and sync'd in the project.
Because Premiere doesn't allow you to have more than 1 project open at a time, I copied the files, closed the pre-workflow project and opened my feature film project I've been working from. Copied the merged clips bin, I click on a clip, video plays fine but there's no audio playback.
I try importing the files from the pre-workflow project using the import project feature, keep only the actual merged clips (as the rest of my project is this way) still no audio. I have cleaned my media cache, reset preferences, even uninstalled premiere and redownloaded. Problem persists.
Can you help me figure out what the issue is so I can get back to making progress on finishing this feature film project?
The only thing different I've done this time that I didn't do last time was copied the audio into the bin with the video clips and merged that way. Before was putting video clips into my master audio bin and merging. But I don't see how this could possibly be the problem.

Going to try, but here is my workflow and have not encountered any problems until this last P/U days footage. I've been doing things this way because I found having all files in the project was causing it to crash constantly when I was working. I have a new I7' processor IMac with 24 gigs of RAM. And since Premiere does not allow you to have multiple projects open at the same time (Wish this would change. Avid and FCP both allowed multiple projects) I have to do things this way.
Pre-workflow Project File
Label all Video and Audio files to match Scene #'/Takes
Set in points on all video and audio to reflect slate
Merge Clips
Working Project File
Import only Merged Clips into Project. Either via import or copy/paste
Now I've done this workflow from just about the very beginning. Deleting all of the original source video and all audio clips from my working project so only my bins containing my merged clips remain. Have had no problems and edit has been smooth. Did a pickup day last week, followed same steps as I've done in the past, imported the merged clips into my working project and the clips have the audio set to none by default. Now once I go into the sequence I can manually set it and it's there but I cannot play audio in the source monitor which is how I edit, there's no reason I should have to go back to the crappy FCP way of editing doing the copy and paste from a sequence.

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It's not a dual panned center mono file, there's something wrong with the way it sounds when left is panned hard left and right panned hard right. I've tried panning each channel hard the other way and it still doesn't sound like the original stereo file I've merged it with. Am I doing something wrong? Why wouldn't premiere just replace the AV clip audio with the singe track stereo clip? Why the need to break it out into dual mono? Is there a preference I'm missing or something? This seems unintuitive.

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I am trying to sync my audio and video in Premiere, and something is screwing it up.
I have my video track, that has 2 audio tracks.
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2+5 = 7, right?
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jdemo177 wrote:
. I used pluraleyes to match the audio, 5D and HVX and then imported a multi cam storyline.
I don't understand this part of your explanation. It's been a while since I've used PE, since FCPX's sync and multicam features work so well.
Why not try a short test – skipping the PE steps entirely. Select two of your clips and let FCP automatically create a test multiclip matching the HVX waveforms with those on the 5D. Open in the Angle Editor – or start a test project and see whether the boom mic track is present.
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I export my audio from soundtrack (needed to fix noise) and I create an AIF file.. exports fine and plays in its entirety (in multiple different programs).. Import the AIF file into FCP 7 and the file plays fine in its entirety also... Then when I "Merge clips" the last 10% of audio goes dead when synced to video? same problem, multiple clips.. every time. any ideas?? I know from trying multiple different programs to play the audio that its a good working file. But the last minute or so of every clip has no audio playing.. but DOES show there is WAVEFORM??

I should have added that the video plays just fine in the preview panel above the checkboxes. Thanks for helping...

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