Merged clip reconnect

Saw that someone else posted this problem, but hopefully there will be an answer floating among you this time.
This problem came up in 5 as a project file was transferred over to another machine running 5 and I also recreated the same problem in 4.5 via xml. Hope someone out there can help out.
I have various video clips that have been merged with audio for the project. When I hand off the project file and media there is a problem with the media reconnect. All of the individual audio files and individual video clips reconnect just fine, but the merged clips won't reconnect. I can run through the normal procedure, selecting the clip with the appropriate name, but nothing really happens. The program seems to have gotten confused over the association of the audio that was supposed to be linked to it.
There is a lot of work already done here with the syncing as well as assemble edit in a lot of sequences - I'd rather not have to recreate those merged clips as independent clips (through media manager or however that might be done). Any ideas? I'd very much appreciate any help.
Thanks,
Josh

Hello.
One thing you will need to research is something called "Destination Controls". Just because you have 4 tracks of audio on a source clip, does not mean that every one of those tracks has to be edited to your timeline. Destination Controls are the little tabs on the left side of the timeline that are just to the right of the green track enable buttons. These little things will allow you to change the location of the destination tracks when you perform an edit to the timeline. When editing your XDCAM clips, just disconnect the destination controls for your audio tracks, although you may want to keep at least one track enabled to help sync up your audio.
A couple of other things you'll need to read up on are the "mark clip" and "Match Frame" functions. I described the use of these 2 functions in a different thread. Click Here. The difference with your case is that you'll need to use the "Slip" tool to keep the duration of the audio clip, but slip it's in and out points to bring it in sync with your video.
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