Merged clips source

Hi everyone,
Recently I've been working with merged clips in Premiere Pro, and I wonder how you could find the video and the audio source from the merged clips once the name has been changed and the clip moved away (or even worse deleted from the project) ? Is there anyway to do that ? Because the file path for merged clips is blank.
I've found a workaround that consist of offlining the merged clips and relink it : in the location window it tells you the files that use the merged clip. But it's a complicated workaround if you have more than 10 clips, which happens often.

Sorry for not being clear. I was talking about renaming the merged clips. For instance, if I have a file named "audio01.wav" which I merged with "video01.mov" and rename it "action1", there is no reference in the renamed merged clips and the source clips.
Of course I could rename it "action1_audio01_video01" but makes the workflow a bit complicated.
What is great in Ppro though is that even with the source clips deleted the merged clip still remains in the project and stays connected to the source files. Which is it's even more bothering not being able to show information about source clips from a merged clips.

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I'm not aware of any way to unmerge.
You can export out new media for each clip and replace the merged clip in the sequence, but that's likely a fairly tedious task.
Why do you need to undo the merge?

Why does't the playhead snap to in/out points in a merged clip in source monitor when using up/down

It seems to work on non-merged clips. And within the sequence the up/down keys work as exprected. But in the source window, with a merged clip (at least that seems to be the problem) the up/down arrows only take you to the beginning or end of the clip.
Message was edited by: cjderosa1
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Some questions/findings - Merged Clips, Markers, Match Frame, Source Clips etc

Hi,
Working on my second long form project with CC (1 hour + timelines) and am encountering some problems with merged clips.
Problem 1 - So I do all my markers in a video clip (which can take hours). I add names and copy the names into the markers notes. I then merge the clips (video with sound) and the markers are there but all the notes have gone. This doesn't always happen but it happens enough for me to have been looking for answers as its completely wasted time.
Problem 2 - More variations of lost markers. In some cases I have put markers on sound clips. Merged with video and the markers are there but all names and comments have gone.
Problem 3 - Merged clips - I am sharing the project with another editor (I am PC based and he is Mac based). I set everything up so he has a mirror of my files and folder structure. I send him new edits (timelines) and some merged clips work fine sometimes the audio goes offline. This can also be reversed. He sends me edits and sometimes the merged clips work fine and sometimes the audio disappears. The real problem comes when you have then lost your markers on the video and audio and end up having no idea where the in points are as the match frame doesn't work on merged clips. It only matches the frame on the merged clip and not the source clip.
Problem 4 - Clips going offline but they are online. I get this quite often, mainly with sound (recorded on a zoom recorder - STE-001.wav etc). Quite often it will say the clip is offline so I click to "locate" and it directs me to the file but it has seemingly not linked it. So CC knows where the clip is... I just have to select it and its linked. Why does it come up as offline/locate when it's in exactly the same place it was and the CC path takes me straight to the clip?
What I need to be able to do with merged clips is;
1 - I need to be able to easily get to the source material for each merged clip. Say for example I put a merged clip in a timeline.. and the audio has seemingly gone offline. If I click the audio I would like to go back to the merged clip and then select if I need to go back to the audio or video for said merged clip and for match frame to be frame accurate on the audio and video. I used to live by this in Avid. Reveal in project is great but again it takes me to the merged clip and not the source clips. Surely there is a way to get back to the source clips Audio/Video?
2 - I need to have a way that marker information will not get lost in merged clips... EVER!!! I really can't pinpoint why it happens or when it happens but it happens, too often. Some clips it seems fine and then all of a sudden the info is gone. Once it's gone there's no way of getting it back. I need to be able to 100% save the marker info. Even if it's as a separate word doc or something. A documentary with maybe 20-+ hours of interviews... all logged nicely via markers and then for me to randomly lose marker info is absolutely not up to scratch. PLEASE SORT IT
Finally.... I am still posting in the PP forum. is there not a dedicated CC forum yet? I couldn't find it.. am I missing something? Makes it real hard in Google if I have to go through PP posts as well.
Thanks

This bug is NOT FULLY FIXED. I'm on a tight deadline so i'm not looking very hard online to see if i'm alone - so please forgive me for just posting here...
I'm using CC7.2.1 it's 1/21... very grateful that match frame FINALLY works on merged clips, but, again, this insert/overwrite bug is only PARTIALLY FIXED.
Insert/overwrite with merged clips on 3-point edit now works, but ONLY when cutting in BOTH merged video+audio... if you're just trying to cut in the audio from a merged clip using a 3-point/4-point edit via hotkey, it's a no-go.
I, for example, needed to re-cut in audio under some video with effects on it. So, I unpatched the video source completely and patched source audio tracks 1-4 to the appropriate sequence tracks. Upon hitting insert or overwrite multiple times, nothing responds. The only way to cut anything in from the source (merged clip) was to patch the source video back into the timeline on an unused video track, then cut ALL the tracks from the source in, I then had to delete the video track re-link the now free audio to the original video. Not a big deal, but annoying enough & waste of precious time on tight deadline.
So, yeah, I have a workaround but is still not appropriate to have a core function not work properly. Especially when I'm working with a very complicated timeline.
That said, thanks for keeping on top of our gripes, Mark.

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Premiere crashes when I try to use a merged clip. When I double click on the clip it loads into the preview panel, but when I perform any actions such as overwrite or insert or if I right-click on the clip I get this message: "Sorry, a serious error has occurred that requires Adobe Premiere Pro to shut down..."
Here are the details:
All the clips I am using in the project are merged clips.
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Running a Mac Pro OS X 10.9.3 and the latest update of Premiere Pro CC 2014
I have tried the following:
turned off GPU accelerated preview in favour of software only
deleted the merged clip and re-created it (in case it was somehow corrupt)
opened the project with a different system user (to rule out user settings)
started a project from scratch, merging the same clips and then performing similar tasks
emptied the After Effects cache
spent 90 minutes with tech support controlling my computer trying various things I'm not certain about
Wasting too much time. Tempted to revert to FCP until this is resolved. Please help.

I don't know about cc 2014, but in the past 5 months working in cc 7.2.1 & 7.2.2 I've found merged clips to be incredibly unstable/buggy. In one case a handful of merged clips were preventing me from importing sequences from other projects. I've run into issues where the match-frame function doesn't work with them, and worst of all every time I've used them they've significantly slowed down premiere (creating a very annoying lag between every interaction with the program).
My workaround has been to avoid merged clips at all costs, and instead use single-angle multicams to group video & audio from different sources. It ain't ideal, but it's been a far more stable workflow.
Don't know about the 2014 version - I'm afraid to give merged clips another serious try after all the headaches they've caused in the past. If anybody has seen improved stability with merged clips in the recent update I'd be very interested to hear.

CS6.0.2 Merged clip bugs

Having struggled with my typical editing style using dual sync sound i've been able to replicate a few bugs, by listing them here my hope is to get other editors using "merged clips" with dual sync sound can find a solution around them. This has come up a few times in the forums but hasn't specifically addressed the bugs.
http://forums.adobe.com/message/4503977
http://forums.adobe.com/message/4676617#4676617
These bugs are with using Merged clips.
1. using the match frame command from a clip in a sequence and then using a replace edit from source monitor on another clip, matches frame on video, but sync is off on the audio. Using match frame on the newly replaced clip does reconnect to the correct timecode with the audio in sync, however the audio and video in and out points do not line up with the matched frame clip. So you can't just use the overwrite edit with the matched framed merged clip. Once you've matched frame with the incorrectly referenced audio, you can not use the replace edit command again, it gets grayed out.
2. This same bug occurs when find an merged clip in the browser, creating in and out points and using the replace clip command from bin. The audio is out of sync and replace edit command becomes grayed out.
3. Once the mismatch in the audio sync has occurred from the replace with match frame, the merged clip in the bin when loaded into the source monitor shows the inpoint and out point of the video, and a separate in and out point of the audio, which is not aligned properly like it was when it was originally created. Only when the in and out point of the audio and video are manually changed does the merged clip become a unified clip again. (one in and out point referencing both audio and video)
if anyone else can replicate this bugs it would be appreciated.
My clips have been manually synced in premiere, would be interested to see if pluraleyes' behavior is any different, but I don't have access to pluraleyes for Premiere if anyone can test.
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Be sure when you pull the card from your camcorder, you LOCK IT immediately. Then it becomes impossible to change anything on the card purposely or inadvertantly (and as you are aware, changing anything - structure, file names, ANYTHING - on the card will blow the whole operation, so locking it is perfect). Also, sometimes Mac users have problems when they fail to lock their cards, because Mac OS immediately starts writing files to the card if it's not locked.
When you're using the Media Browser in PPro, be certain that you are viewing the clips in AVCHD mode (there's a dropdown option for this right there in the Media Browser). If you're importing individual clips from a single continuous recording, you're NOT in AVCHD mode, and this will always cause the problem you are describing.
I don't mean to lay this out as "you're doing it wrong" but unfortunately this is all very well documented at this point, and whenever there is a problem with spanned clips, it is 100% of the time due to a user that renamed something, moved files, or otherwise didn't follow the complete rules of AVCHD management. I don't normally use a term like 100% (tend to prefer 99.9%) but I say 100% because it is absolute in this case.

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Hi there. I just migrated a feature documentary from an edit suite in a local production company to my home. We're using Adobe Production Premium CS 5.5, I tried to migrate the project using the Project Manager function of premiere. But no matter what combination of options I tried it failed everytime. Huge pain!
Anyway, the whole thing is nearly up and running again - but there is a problem with some of the merged clips. We were shooting on DSLRs, with a Zoom H4N dual audio system. Dual Eyes was then used to synch the clips. Which were then merged with the relevant video files in the various relevant bins.
Here lies the problem, obviously I had to go and relink all the media files. Grand job. Thought I was all done but then I noticed, that when I was linking "merged clips" they weren't coming up properly in the sequences. Like, they were there in the bins. They would appear if double clicked in the source monitor. You could even do an old "in and out" and drag your selection into the sequence, and all the extra Dual Eyes audio synchs would be there and ready for use. But, the ones that were already in the time line were not picking up anything, they were just off line.
I find this stuff hard to explain so attached is a screen grab and some explanation below.
A - Shows the panels with the media successfully linked.
B - Shows it double clicked and opened in the source monitor.
C - Shows where it should be in the time line. But its not linking.

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Because Premiere doesn't allow you to have more than 1 project open at a time, I copied the files, closed the pre-workflow project and opened my feature film project I've been working from. Copied the merged clips bin, I click on a clip, video plays fine but there's no audio playback.
I try importing the files from the pre-workflow project using the import project feature, keep only the actual merged clips (as the rest of my project is this way) still no audio. I have cleaned my media cache, reset preferences, even uninstalled premiere and redownloaded. Problem persists.
Can you help me figure out what the issue is so I can get back to making progress on finishing this feature film project?
The only thing different I've done this time that I didn't do last time was copied the audio into the bin with the video clips and merged that way. Before was putting video clips into my master audio bin and merging. But I don't see how this could possibly be the problem.

Going to try, but here is my workflow and have not encountered any problems until this last P/U days footage. I've been doing things this way because I found having all files in the project was causing it to crash constantly when I was working. I have a new I7' processor IMac with 24 gigs of RAM. And since Premiere does not allow you to have multiple projects open at the same time (Wish this would change. Avid and FCP both allowed multiple projects) I have to do things this way.
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Label all Video and Audio files to match Scene #'/Takes
Set in points on all video and audio to reflect slate
Merge Clips
Working Project File
Import only Merged Clips into Project. Either via import or copy/paste
Now I've done this workflow from just about the very beginning. Deleting all of the original source video and all audio clips from my working project so only my bins containing my merged clips remain. Have had no problems and edit has been smooth. Did a pickup day last week, followed same steps as I've done in the past, imported the merged clips into my working project and the clips have the audio set to none by default. Now once I go into the sequence I can manually set it and it's there but I cannot play audio in the source monitor which is how I edit, there's no reason I should have to go back to the crappy FCP way of editing doing the copy and paste from a sequence.

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Context
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In the Project Panel, click the flyout menu; that's the little stack o' pancakes thing in the upper right corner of the panel. Select "Metadata Display." In the search box, type "usage"--this will reveal the Video Usage and Audio Usage metadata labels. Check those to add them, and hit OK; they'll now be added to the columns in the Project Panel. Now, you can sort on those columns to filter by usage--the unused clips won't have a number associated with that column. Select them all, and if you really want to purge them from the drive, hit Ctrl/Cmd+Delete--that will remove the media from the drive.
If you just want to get rid of the clips, Project > Remove Unused will do that.

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During my edit it seems like almost all the clips have become "orphaned" and no longer are connected back to the project clip. REVEAL CLIP IN PROJECT doesn't work, and I'm no longer able to access SOURCE SETTINGS on the video portion of the clips.
Is there anyway to relink these or make it so I can easily access SOURCE SETTINGS again?? I've certainly learned my lesson about merged clips. Definitely not going to be using them again.

You probably don't have any audio tracks targeted.

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Title changed by moderator to make it descriptive of the issue/question--but mostly eliminate the all-caps. Shouting doesn't help

Ah yes -- well very holistic approach I suppose... but considering my question "how to export a project with merged clips to an XML file?" - this doesn't actually answer that question. It is a work around. But one that requires me to find and hire another colorist (and let's be honest a large portion of the post-production community works with Resolve) and I don't think I am being unreasonable for expecting Adobe to have considered the possibility of this work flow (editing a project in Premiere and then moving to a commonly used platform such as Davinci Resolve to color correct). Or yes I could learn SpeedGrade but if I had the time to color correct the project myself we wouldn't be hiring someone else to get the project completed in a timely manner... so yeah it's a work around that doesn't really work. I am hoping having the original source video color corrected will make it all work - and I will NEVER used the Merged Clip feature in Premiere ever again. And wish there was some way for me to warn others against falling victim to its charms as well.

No three point edit with merged clips in Premiere Pro CC 7.2?

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I've recently, as of last night, updated to Premiere Pro CC 7.2. I'm currently cutting a feature using merged 5K red raw clips. We were expereicning some weird things but were able to work around them. The update fixed to major problems we were having;
1. Bloating projects going from 808kb to 5mb for no reason.
2. Not being able to perform a match frame on merged clips.
The update fixed these issues, but don't throw on your party hats just yet. Within this update a fuction CRUCIAL to any editor has been taken away after you've performed a merged clip function... THE EDIT! Any time I make an in and out point in my source with a merged clip and an in and out in my timeline and try to do an insert edit via a hotkey, it just edits the entire clip in the timeline starting with a radnom in point! I was able to set an in and out in my source and just edit into the timeline but even that function has been taken away. Adobe please fix this! Yes the match frame with a merged clip works but dont take away editing basics!

This bug is NOT FULLY FIXED. I'm on a tight deadline so i'm not looking very hard online to see if i'm alone - so please forgive me for just posting here...
I'm using CC7.2.1 it's 1/21... very grateful that match frame FINALLY works on merged clips, but, again, this insert/overwrite bug is only PARTIALLY FIXED.
Insert/overwrite with merged clips on 3-point edit now works, but ONLY when cutting in BOTH merged video+audio... if you're just trying to cut in the audio from a merged clip using a 3-point/4-point edit via hotkey, it's a no-go.
I, for example, needed to re-cut in audio under some video with effects on it. So, I unpatched the video source completely and patched source audio tracks 1-4 to the appropriate sequence tracks. Upon hitting insert or overwrite multiple times, nothing responds. The only way to cut anything in from the source (merged clip) was to patch the source video back into the timeline on an unused video track, then cut ALL the tracks from the source in, I then had to delete the video track re-link the now free audio to the original video. Not a big deal, but annoying enough & waste of precious time on tight deadline.
So, yeah, I have a workaround but is still not appropriate to have a core function not work properly. Especially when I'm working with a very complicated timeline.
That said, thanks for keeping on top of our gripes, Mark.

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Is there anything obvious in this code clipping that I'm missing? I'm truely stumped, and my project is literally at the stage of "if this recording to file works, this milestone is complete".
I want to help you here, and I think I have the answer to your question, but I am not sure that I understand your question completely.
I will offer you this code:
[ http://code.google.com/p/xomaya/source/browse/xomaya/src/xomaya/components/Xomaya.java?r=27|http://code.google.com/p/xomaya/source/browse/xomaya/src/xomaya/components/Xomaya.java?r=27]
It solves the problem of p.getDataOutput() has no output. If I have misunderstood your question please let me know.
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My problem is that if I create a merged clip and modify it's audio channels Premiere (both CC and CC2014) does not respect the modification under specific circumstances. These circumstances are: if I use keyboard shortcuts or the source window buttons for overwrite/insert to cut the merged clip into a timeline. However, if I drag & drop the clip from the source window or from a bin into the timeline Premiere will respect the audio channels set through modify audio channels.
Here are steps needed to create my problem. You will need a video clip and an audio clip with at least two channels to reproduce this.
1. Create a merged clip from the video and audio. Does not matter if you have "Remove audio from AV clip" enabled or not.
2. Right click on the merged clip in the bin and select Modify -> Audio Channels.
3. Set the merged clip's audio channels to Number of Audio Tracks: 1, Channel Format: Mono. Set the source channel for Audio 1 to anything except Channel 1. Click OK.
4. Make sure you have the merged clip open in the source monitor. Use keyboard shortcuts (. or ,) or the insert/overwrite buttons in the source monitor to cut the clip into a sequence.
5. The merged clip in the sequence will use channel 1 for audio, even though it has been set to use another channel.
6. Now try drag & dropping the merged clip from either the source monitor or from a bin into the sequence. It will now use the audio channel that has been set through modify audio channels.
My workaround is to use drag & drop for now for affected clips, but in the long run this is a pain in the backside.
My question is if this is something that affects other users as well. And while I'm waiting for a fix, if anyone has any suggestions on how to get modified audio channels to work properly, I will gladly listen.
I have filed a bug report for this. I have reproduced this on multiple Windows 7 machines with Premiere Pro CC and on two Macs with both CC and CC 2014.
EDIT to add: I have been in discussion with Rameez from Adobe about this through the support chat and have been told that this is working as intended. He suggested I post a thread about it to see how other editors feel about the functionality. I personally feel that the way it works now makes no sense at all. If others feel the same way, maybe this issue can be fixed in a future update. So please make your voice heard.
EDIT to add: In most usage this might not be an issue at all. But if for example you have external audio on multiple channels and to make sure you have a clean timeline, you wish to remove extra tracks from your merged clips and those extra tracks happen to be any track before the last one(s), you will find that editing the merged clip in in any other way than drag & dropping it in the sequence will result in you losing those last tracks instead of any tracks in the middle that you have disable through modify audio channels. I would think that the audio channel modifications should work no matter what way you cut the merged clip in.
Message was edited by: Jaakko Rinne

Going to try, but here is my workflow and have not encountered any problems until this last P/U days footage. I've been doing things this way because I found having all files in the project was causing it to crash constantly when I was working. I have a new I7' processor IMac with 24 gigs of RAM. And since Premiere does not allow you to have multiple projects open at the same time (Wish this would change. Avid and FCP both allowed multiple projects) I have to do things this way.
Pre-workflow Project File
Label all Video and Audio files to match Scene #'/Takes
Set in points on all video and audio to reflect slate
Merge Clips
Working Project File
Import only Merged Clips into Project. Either via import or copy/paste
Now I've done this workflow from just about the very beginning. Deleting all of the original source video and all audio clips from my working project so only my bins containing my merged clips remain. Have had no problems and edit has been smooth. Did a pickup day last week, followed same steps as I've done in the past, imported the merged clips into my working project and the clips have the audio set to none by default. Now once I go into the sequence I can manually set it and it's there but I cannot play audio in the source monitor which is how I edit, there's no reason I should have to go back to the crappy FCP way of editing doing the copy and paste from a sequence.

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