Metadata from epma Planning application to classic Planning application?

Hi!
I am creating a new classic planning application, but I would like to use all the metadata from existing epma application.
I'm wondering whether it is possible to get metadata from an existing epma planning application to a classic application? Is this possible using LCM?
Or do I just need to get an ads file from the epma planning application and then create a csv file that I would then load into this new classic app using for example OutlineLoad utility.
edit: version 11.1.2.2
kind regards,
user637777

You should be able to export the metadata from the planning application using LCM, you could also see if the outlineload utility will let you export, can't remember if it allows it even if it is EPMA enabled.
Cheers
John
http://john-goodwin.blogspot.com/

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