Methodical debuggiung when only Safe Boot works ?

If I do a normal boot I get the eternal blue screen.
I've Safe Booted many times and run "repair disk" as well as running "repair disk permissions" from the install CD.
I've removed all startup items from the account preferences.
The disk has about 7 GB free out of ~250.
I'd appreciate any suggestions for how to methodically go through and try to find the offending software or determine if it might be a HW issue ? The iMac went in for a new motherboard about 18 months ago to take care of the bootleg capacitor problem and I assume I don't have new bootleg capacitors
Is there anything equivalent to the "remove half the extensions and try booting, then try removing the other half ..." to home in on the problem ?
Thanks, as usual.
-Sven

Point taken,
We just got rid of a bunch so now we only have 7
The problem machine is:
Machine Name: iMac G5
Machine Model:Power Mac8,2
CPU Type: PowerPC G5 (3.1)
Number Of CPUs: 1
CPU Speed: 2 GHz
L2 Cache (per CPU): 512 KB
Memory: 2 GB
Bus Speed: 667 MHz
Boot ROM Version: 5.2.5f1
System Version: Mac OS X 10.4.11 (8S165)
Kernel Version: Darwin 8.11.0
I ran Cache Cleaner and did a deep clean on all the caches. I uninstalled Application Enhancer. I ran Hardware Test from the install disk, but only once since it isn't an intermittent problem. I've unplugged all peripherals.
Starts fine in Safe Mode but I can't start in Single User Mode (keyboard is DOA, both bluetooth and wired). Tried booting in verbose mode to see how far it gets but it zips by too fast and clears the screen to blue.
I bet it is a damaged prefs file or extension (as in stored in the extensions folder) but so far I haven't found any app that will look for damaged prefs. I'm assuming that I can't use ResEdit to localize and repair the damaged prefs ?
Now this poor machine has been in safe mode for 5 days and that is too long
Thanks for the suggestions, I'll see if I can free up more disk space too.
-Sven

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    RSP: 0xffffff80c38a3a40, RBP: 0xffffff80c38a3ac0, RSI: 0xffffff80354f7800, RDI: 0xffffff8036ab4000
    R8:  0xffffff80345e85fc, R9:  0xffffff80349f8000, R10: 0x0000000000000384, R11: 0x0000000000000000
    R12: 0x00000000ffffffff, R13: 0xffffff8036ab4000, R14: 0xffffff80354f7800, R15: 0x0000000000000009
    RFL: 0x0000000000010297, RIP: 0xffffff7fa8f3246e, CS:  0x0000000000000008, SS:  0x0000000000000010
    Fault CR2: 0x0000000000000070, Error code: 0x0000000000000000, Fault CPU: 0x2
    Backtrace (CPU 2), Frame : Return Address
    0xffffff80c38a36d0 : 0xffffff8027622f79
    0xffffff80c38a3750 : 0xffffff80276dc43e
    0xffffff80c38a3920 : 0xffffff80276f3976
    0xffffff80c38a3940 : 0xffffff7fa8f3246e
    0xffffff80c38a3ac0 : 0xffffff7fa8ec1012
    0xffffff80c38a3af0 : 0xffffff7fa8ebfa9c
    0xffffff80c38a3b70 : 0xffffff8027acfbfa
    0xffffff80c38a3b90 : 0xffffff8027ad075e
    0xffffff80c38a3bf0 : 0xffffff8027ace1af
    0xffffff80c38a3d40 : 0xffffff80276b6998
    0xffffff80c38a3e50 : 0xffffff8027626bc1
    0xffffff80c38a3e80 : 0xffffff80276139c5
    0xffffff80c38a3ef0 : 0xffffff802761e013
    0xffffff80c38a3f70 : 0xffffff80276c9b9d
    0xffffff80c38a3fb0 : 0xffffff80276f4196
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                dependency: com.apple.iokit.IOGraphicsFamily(2.4.1)[75D81741-64C1-3941-ADFA-9D6B6C434EE4]@0 xffffff7fa84a6000
             com.apple.driver.AppleIntelHD4000Graphics(8.2.8)[D2D01985-3507-32D8-8928-D0847F EC05DA]@0xffffff7fa8f1f000->0xffffff7fa8f6afff
                dependency: com.apple.iokit.IOSurface(91.1)[5E4EA3A2-5AB6-3577-B32D-EF5717A0EF5B]@0xffffff7 fa83b2000
                dependency: com.apple.iokit.IOPCIFamily(2.9)[4662B11D-2ECA-315D-875C-618C97CDAB2A]@0xffffff 7fa7cbe000
                dependency: com.apple.iokit.IOGraphicsFamily(2.4.1)[75D81741-64C1-3941-ADFA-9D6B6C434EE4]@0 xffffff7fa84a6000
                dependency: com.apple.iokit.IOAcceleratorFamily2(98.22)[0EC64777-94B9-32E3-AC03-A2367895744 B]@0xffffff7fa8ead000
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    Mac OS version:
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    Kernel version:
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    com.apple.driver.AppleHDAHardwareConfigDriver 2.6.3f4
    com.apple.driver.AppleUSBCDC 4.2.1b5
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    com.apple.driver.ApplePlatformEnabler 2.0.9d6
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    com.apple.driver.X86PlatformShim 1.0.0
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    com.apple.driver.AppleHDA 2.6.3f4
    com.apple.iokit.IOBluetoothUSBDFU 4.2.6f1
    com.apple.iokit.BroadcomBluetoothHostControllerUSBTransport 4.2.6f1
    com.apple.driver.AppleUSBTCButtons 240.2
    com.apple.driver.AppleUpstreamUserClient 3.5.13
    com.apple.driver.AppleMikeyDriver 2.6.3f4
    com.apple.iokit.IOUserEthernet 1.0.0d1
    com.apple.driver.AppleIntelHD4000Graphics 8.2.8
    com.apple.driver.ACPI_SMC_PlatformPlugin 1.0.0
    com.apple.driver.AppleMuxControl 3.6.22
    com.apple.Dont_Steal_Mac_OS_X 7.0.0
    com.apple.driver.AppleHWAccess 1
    com.apple.driver.AppleThunderboltIP 1.1.2
    com.apple.driver.AppleBacklight 170.4.11
    com.apple.driver.AppleSMCPDRC 1.0.0
    com.apple.driver.AppleSMCLMU 2.0.4d1
    com.apple.driver.AppleLPC 1.7.0
    com.apple.driver.AppleIntelMCEReporter 104
    com.apple.driver.AppleMCCSControl 1.2.5
    com.apple.driver.AppleIntelFramebufferCapri 8.2.8
    com.apple.driver.AppleUSBTCKeyEventDriver 240.2
    com.apple.driver.AppleUSBTCKeyboard 240.2
    com.apple.driver.AppleFileSystemDriver 3.0.1
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    com.apple.AppleFSCompression.AppleFSCompressionTypeLZVN 1.0.0d1
    com.apple.AppleFSCompression.AppleFSCompressionTypeZlib 1.0.0d1
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    com.apple.driver.XsanFilter 404
    com.apple.driver.AppleUSBHub 683.4.0
    com.apple.iokit.IOAHCIBlockStorage 2.6.0
    com.apple.driver.AirPort.Brcm4331 700.20.22
    com.apple.driver.AppleAHCIPort 3.0.5
    com.apple.driver.AppleUSBEHCI 660.4.0
    com.apple.driver.AppleUSBXHCI 683.4.0
    com.apple.driver.AppleSmartBatteryManager 161.0.0
    com.apple.driver.AppleRTC 2.0
    com.apple.driver.AppleACPIButtons 2.0
    com.apple.driver.AppleHPET 1.8
    com.apple.driver.AppleSMBIOS 2.1
    com.apple.driver.AppleACPIEC 2.0
    com.apple.driver.AppleAPIC 1.7
    com.apple.driver.AppleIntelCPUPowerManagementClient 217.92.1
    com.apple.nke.applicationfirewall 153
    com.apple.security.quarantine 3
    com.apple.driver.AppleIntelCPUPowerManagement 217.92.1
    com.apple.kext.triggers 1.0
    com.apple.iokit.IOSCSIArchitectureModelFamily 3.6.6
    com.apple.iokit.IOSerialFamily 10.0.7
    com.apple.driver.DspFuncLib 2.6.3f4
    com.apple.vecLib.kext 1.0.0
    com.apple.iokit.IOAudioFamily 1.9.7fc2
    com.apple.kext.OSvKernDSPLib 1.14
    com.apple.iokit.IOBluetoothHostControllerUSBTransport 4.2.6f1
    com.apple.iokit.IOSurface 91.1
    com.apple.driver.IOPlatformPluginLegacy 1.0.0
    com.apple.driver.AppleGraphicsControl 3.6.22
    com.apple.iokit.IOBluetoothFamily 4.2.6f1
    com.apple.driver.AppleBacklightExpert 1.0.4
    com.apple.iokit.IONDRVSupport 2.4.1
    com.apple.driver.AppleHDAController 2.6.3f4
    com.apple.iokit.IOHDAFamily 2.6.3f4
    com.apple.driver.AppleSMBusPCI 1.0.12d1
    com.apple.driver.X86PlatformPlugin 1.0.0
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    com.apple.iokit.IOSMBusFamily 1.1
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    com.apple.driver.AppleFDEKeyStore 28.30
    com.apple.driver.AppleACPIPlatform 2.0
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    com.apple.iokit.IOACPIFamily 1.4
    com.apple.kec.corecrypto 1.0
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    USB Device: Apple Internal Keyboard / Trackpad
    USB Device: Internal Memory Card Reader
    USB Device: BRCM20702 Hub
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