MFBF run before updating product cost collector

Dear Sir,
I have done cost run through CK40N and not updated the Product cost collector. So system should stop me doing MFBF (Backflashing).
But without update to Product cost collector system is allowing to do MFBF (Backflashing).
Can u guide what could be the problem. Either it is

Hi,
In your REM profile you might have defined to backflush using Prel. cost estimate rather than std. cost estimate, please check and revert back.
Regards
Ramana

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1. If the original cost estimate was run in the current month - Then you cant re-release cost estimate unless you reverse it from CKR1
If the cost estimate was of previous months - then you can definetely release it again
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what is essence of product cost collector (KKF6n), {As I understand production cost collectors
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Dear Eshwer,
1.Product Cost collector is one of the master data in REM scenario.
2.This product cost collector is no where related to MRP.
3.Product Cost collector is used as a cost object in REM scenario,which means all the cost will be
booked under this product cost collector for that material.
4.Whatever the confirmations that are done in MFBF or MF41 or MF42N,the cost will get debited or
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5.This product cost collector will be having an order number which will be used for order settlement and
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6.For creating a product cost collector you will require a production version.
7.so whenever you do an assembly or activity or component backflush,the cost will be booked under
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8.So as such there's no relation between MRP and a product cost collector.
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can anyone tell me when are the target costs updated for product cost collector. it is after we post actual costs or after we calculate variance.
Thanks

Hi Elaine,
Thankyou very much for the Information. In our case when we create new product cost collector and cost it and post actual costs to it, system is showing target costs on the product cost collector even before variance calculation but for product cost collectors which are existing from long time system is not showing target costs after we post actual costs. we have created new cost component structure recently and its active from april 1. does this have any impact on the target costs. Please let me know if you have any idea on this.
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Error while creating product cost collector in REM ?

HI, all SAP expert,
I have to run repetitive manufacturing .
I create work center of category production line and use in rate routing of semifinished material.
In mm02 -- mrp 4 view of semifinished material , i select rem profile , production version.
Now I create product cost collector ( t-code kkf6n) for semi. material by giving order type (yrem), production version after enter it shows error
Error in number management (notify your system administrator)
in help it shows
Error in number management (notify your system administrator)
Message no. KO162
Diagnosis
A system error occurred in the number management.
Procedure
Please contact your systems analyst or the SAP hotline.
Edited by: Nitin Nerkar on Sep 30, 2009 12:16 PM

Dear Nitin,
Check whether is the number range maintained properly for the order type RM01,check the config setting in T Code
KOT2_PKOSA.
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Customer is currently using report designed in COPA (KE30) to derive P&L report for using Plant as a characteristic.
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Can anyone tell me what is exactly product cost collectors and what is the impact on the production orders and cost?
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Hi,
Following link will be useful:
http://help.sap.com/saphelp_47x200/helpdata/en/5f/1faba54aee11d189740000e8322d00/frameset.htm
A few points for reference:
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- The Valuatin variant specified in the Costing variant actual of the PCC is used to valuate the data confirmed for the mfg order.
- This costing variant results in a temporary prelim cost est for the mfg order. This preliminary cost estimate cannot be saved.
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Costs
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I have one doubt in REM product cost calculation.
1) when I am running PCC for REM I met with following error as - Routing does not match with selection
ID 01.
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Dear Sekar,
1.While creating product cost collector,use Production version as the controlling level.
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Target costs on Product cost collectors

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we have a problem with target costs on product cost collector.
For the product cost collectors which are existing from long time, it is not updating target costs as soon as backflushing(Goods issue and goods receipt at same time) is done.
For the product cost collectors which are created newly it is updating target costs as soon as backflushing is done.
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