MIC LSC CTL confusion

Hi team,
I have reviewed lots of posts on this community regarding ITL, CTL, LSC, MIC, PKI. However I still have lots of confusions not cleared.
Q1: we already have MIC by default, why we still need LSC
- Reason #1, more secure ? I do not think so. MIC is signed by private key of Cisco Manufacturing CA, LSC is signed by private key of CAPF cerfiticate. I do not see big difference.
- Reason #2, LSC support encryption of signaling & media. From technology perspective, MIC can also do that. I do not see the difference as well.
Q2: How is LSC generated and downloaded to IP Phone
- Phone submits its MIC to CUCM and CUCM signs it using CAPF private key and pass back to Phones?
Q3: Why we need LSC and MIC coexist on the same Phone?
Q4: How is CTL file/CTL client/USB token related to LSC ? Can we use LSC without them ?
Thanks in advance for your help.

Hi
A1: Try this scenario - you are permitting access to your corporate VPN based on certificates. You can either trust the issuer of the MICs (Cisco's CA) or the LSCs (Your CAPF service on CUCM). Which is best?
Your CAPF. That way you are trusting certs that you issued, rather than trusting every certificate on every IP phone in the universe that has a Cisco badge on it. You can command phones to delete the certificates from your CAPF, and control it in other ways.  Every Cisco phone has a Cisco MIC, but that defeats the point of having a certificate. That's why many of the guides advocate password based enrollment rather than simple MIC-trusting even if that's what most of us do...
A2: You can either trust the MIC, and issue an LSC based on that (as noted above). You can also set a password on the dev in CUCM, and then you need to enter that password on the phone (more secure). Or you can use a 'null' password, ie. just dish them out freely.
A3: The MIC is built into the phone and is permanent. The LSC is your corporate cert, issued by your system to your devices. It would be the LSC you 'use' generally.
A4: 
CTL File : a list of certificates for your servers and services taht is distributed to the phones. The phones will trust only these services. This prevents your phones from being diverted to servers that are not yours (i.e. hacked).
CTL Client : this is just a software app that signs the CTL, puts the cluster in secure mode, distributes certificates around the cluster etc.
USB Token; this (as I understand it) simply contains some private keys that were generated by Cisco. These are used to sign the CTL. They basically ensure that you have a method of recovery - you use two, and as long as you don't lose both you are OK. 
Basically you need the token to use the CTL client to generate the CTL file, which is what the phones use to securely identify the cluster.
http://www.cisco.com/web/about/security/intelligence/IP_Phone_Security_WP.html
Aaron

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    Function Id: 0x1
    Vendor Id: 0x1002aa01
    Subsystem Id: 0x00aa0100
    Revision Id: 0x100000
    No Modem Function Group found
    Default PCM:
    rates [0x40]: 48000
    bits [0x2]: 16
    formats [0x1]: PCM
    Default Amp-In caps: N/A
    Default Amp-Out caps: N/A
    GPIO: io=0, o=0, i=0, unsolicited=0, wake=0
    Node 0x02 [Audio Output] wcaps 0x201: Stereo Digital
    Converter: stream=0, channel=0
    Digital:
    Digital category: 0x0
    Node 0x03 [Pin Complex] wcaps 0x400381: Stereo Digital
    Pincap 0x00000094: OUT Detect HDMI
    Pin Default 0x18560010: [Jack] Digital Out at Int HDMI
    Conn = Digital, Color = Unknown
    DefAssociation = 0x1, Sequence = 0x0
    Pin-ctls: 0x40: OUT
    Unsolicited: tag=00, enabled=0
    Connection: 1
    0x02
    --endcollapse--
    !!ALSA Device nodes
    crw-rw----+ 1 root audio 116, 9 Jan 23 19:11 /dev/snd/controlC0
    crw-rw----+ 1 root audio 116, 12 Jan 23 19:11 /dev/snd/controlC1
    crw-rw----+ 1 root audio 116, 8 Jan 23 19:11 /dev/snd/hwC0D0
    crw-rw----+ 1 root audio 116, 7 Jan 23 19:11 /dev/snd/hwC0D1
    crw-rw----+ 1 root audio 116, 11 Jan 23 19:11 /dev/snd/hwC1D0
    crw-rw----+ 1 root audio 116, 6 Jan 23 21:04 /dev/snd/pcmC0D0c
    crw-rw----+ 1 root audio 116, 5 Jan 23 21:04 /dev/snd/pcmC0D0p
    crw-rw----+ 1 root audio 116, 4 Jan 23 19:11 /dev/snd/pcmC0D1p
    crw-rw----+ 1 root audio 116, 10 Jan 23 19:11 /dev/snd/pcmC1D3p
    crw-rw----+ 1 root audio 116, 3 Jan 23 19:11 /dev/snd/seq
    crw-rw----+ 1 root audio 116, 2 Jan 23 19:11 /dev/snd/timer
    /dev/snd/by-path:
    total 0
    drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 80 Jan 23 19:11 .
    drwxr-xr-x 3 root root 280 Jan 23 19:11 ..
    lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 12 Jan 23 19:11 pci-0000:00:1b.0 -> ../controlC0
    lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 12 Jan 23 19:11 pci-0000:01:00.1 -> ../controlC1
    !!Aplay/Arecord output
    APLAY
    **** List of PLAYBACK Hardware Devices ****
    card 0: Intel [HDA Intel], device 0: ALC268 Analog [ALC268 Analog]
    Subdevices: 1/1
    Subdevice #0: subdevice #0
    card 0: Intel [HDA Intel], device 1: ALC268 Digital [ALC268 Digital]
    Subdevices: 1/1
    Subdevice #0: subdevice #0
    card 1: HDMI [HDA ATI HDMI], device 3: ATI HDMI [ATI HDMI]
    Subdevices: 1/1
    Subdevice #0: subdevice #0
    ARECORD
    **** List of CAPTURE Hardware Devices ****
    card 0: Intel [HDA Intel], device 0: ALC268 Analog [ALC268 Analog]
    Subdevices: 1/1
    Subdevice #0: subdevice #0
    !!Amixer output
    !!-------Mixer controls for card 0 [Intel]
    Card hw:0 'Intel'/'HDA Intel at 0xfc400000 irq 22'
    Mixer name : 'Realtek ALC268'
    Components : 'HDA:10ec0268,1179ff02,00100003 HDA:11c11040,11790001,00100200'
    Controls : 21
    Simple ctrls : 13
    Simple mixer control 'Master',0
    Capabilities: pvolume pvolume-joined pswitch pswitch-joined penum
    Playback channels: Mono
    Limits: Playback 0 - 64
    Mono: Playback 64 [100%] [0.00dB] [on]
    Simple mixer control 'Headphone',0
    Capabilities: pvolume pswitch penum
    Playback channels: Front Left - Front Right
    Limits: Playback 0 - 64
    Mono:
    Front Left: Playback 53 [83%] [-11.00dB] [on]
    Front Right: Playback 53 [83%] [-11.00dB] [on]
    Simple mixer control 'PCM',0
    Capabilities: pvolume penum
    Playback channels: Front Left - Front Right
    Limits: Playback 0 - 255
    Mono:
    Front Left: Playback 255 [100%] [0.00dB]
    Front Right: Playback 255 [100%] [0.00dB]
    Simple mixer control 'Front',0
    Capabilities: pvolume pswitch penum
    Playback channels: Front Left - Front Right
    Limits: Playback 0 - 64
    Mono:
    Front Left: Playback 64 [100%] [0.00dB] [on]
    Front Right: Playback 64 [100%] [0.00dB] [on]
    Simple mixer control 'Front Mic Boost',0
    Capabilities: volume penum
    Playback channels: Front Left - Front Right
    Capture channels: Front Left - Front Right
    Limits: 0 - 2
    Front Left: 2 [100%]
    Front Right: 2 [100%]
    Simple mixer control 'Line In Boost',0
    Capabilities: volume penum
    Playback channels: Front Left - Front Right
    Capture channels: Front Left - Front Right
    Limits: 0 - 2
    Front Left: 0 [0%]
    Front Right: 0 [0%]
    Simple mixer control 'Mic Boost',0
    Capabilities: volume penum
    Playback channels: Front Left - Front Right
    Capture channels: Front Left - Front Right
    Limits: 0 - 2
    Front Left: 2 [100%]
    Front Right: 2 [100%]
    Simple mixer control 'IEC958',0
    Capabilities: pswitch pswitch-joined penum
    Playback channels: Mono
    Mono: Playback [off]
    Simple mixer control 'IEC958 Default PCM',0
    Capabilities: pswitch pswitch-joined penum
    Playback channels: Mono
    Mono: Playback [on]
    Simple mixer control 'Beep',0
    Capabilities: pvolume pswitch penum
    Playback channels: Front Left - Front Right
    Limits: Playback 0 - 12
    Mono:
    Front Left: Playback 0 [0%] [-24.00dB] [on]
    Front Right: Playback 0 [0%] [-24.00dB] [on]
    Simple mixer control 'Capture',0
    Capabilities: cvolume cswitch penum
    Capture channels: Front Left - Front Right
    Limits: Capture 0 - 31
    Front Left: Capture 29 [94%] [27.00dB] [on]
    Front Right: Capture 29 [94%] [27.00dB] [on]
    Simple mixer control 'Digital',0
    Capabilities: cvolume penum
    Capture channels: Front Left - Front Right
    Limits: Capture 0 - 120
    Front Left: Capture 0 [0%] [-30.00dB]
    Front Right: Capture 0 [0%] [-30.00dB]
    Simple mixer control 'Input Source',0
    Capabilities: cenum
    Items: 'Mic' 'Front Mic' 'Line' 'CD'
    Item0: 'Mic'
    !!-------Mixer controls for card 1 [HDMI]
    Card hw:1 'HDMI'/'HDA ATI HDMI at 0xfc010000 irq 17'
    Mixer name : 'ATI R6xx HDMI'
    Components : 'HDA:1002aa01,00aa0100,00100000'
    Controls : 4
    Simple ctrls : 1
    Simple mixer control 'IEC958',0
    Capabilities: pswitch pswitch-joined penum
    Playback channels: Mono
    Mono: Playback [off]
    !!Alsactl output
    --startcollapse--
    state.Intel {
    control.1 {
    comment.access 'read write'
    comment.type INTEGER
    comment.count 2
    comment.range '0 - 64'
    comment.dbmin -6400
    comment.dbmax 0
    iface MIXER
    name 'Front Playback Volume'
    value.0 64
    value.1 64
    control.2 {
    comment.access 'read write'
    comment.type BOOLEAN
    comment.count 2
    iface MIXER
    name 'Front Playback Switch'
    value.0 true
    value.1 true
    control.3 {
    comment.access 'read write'
    comment.type INTEGER
    comment.count 2
    comment.range '0 - 64'
    comment.dbmin -6400
    comment.dbmax 0
    iface MIXER
    name 'Headphone Playback Volume'
    value.0 53
    value.1 53
    control.4 {
    comment.access 'read write'
    comment.type BOOLEAN
    comment.count 2
    iface MIXER
    name 'Headphone Playback Switch'
    value.0 true
    value.1 true
    control.5 {
    comment.access 'read write'
    comment.type INTEGER
    comment.count 2
    comment.range '0 - 2'
    comment.dbmin 0
    comment.dbmax 4000
    iface MIXER
    name 'Mic Boost'
    value.0 2
    value.1 2
    control.6 {
    comment.access 'read write'
    comment.type INTEGER
    comment.count 2
    comment.range '0 - 2'
    comment.dbmin 0
    comment.dbmax 4000
    iface MIXER
    name 'Front Mic Boost'
    value.0 2
    value.1 2
    control.7 {
    comment.access 'read write'
    comment.type INTEGER
    comment.count 2
    comment.range '0 - 2'
    comment.dbmin 0
    comment.dbmax 4000
    iface MIXER
    name 'Line In Boost'
    value.0 0
    value.1 0
    control.8 {
    comment.access 'read write'
    comment.type INTEGER
    comment.count 2
    comment.range '0 - 31'
    comment.dbmin -1650
    comment.dbmax 3000
    iface MIXER
    name 'Capture Volume'
    value.0 29
    value.1 29
    control.9 {
    comment.access 'read write'
    comment.type BOOLEAN
    comment.count 2
    iface MIXER
    name 'Capture Switch'
    value.0 true
    value.1 true
    control.10 {
    comment.access 'read write'
    comment.type ENUMERATED
    comment.count 1
    comment.item.0 Mic
    comment.item.1 'Front Mic'
    comment.item.2 Line
    comment.item.3 CD
    iface MIXER
    name 'Input Source'
    value Mic
    control.11 {
    comment.access 'read write'
    comment.type INTEGER
    comment.count 2
    comment.range '0 - 12'
    comment.dbmin -2400
    comment.dbmax 0
    iface MIXER
    name 'Beep Playback Volume'
    value.0 0
    value.1 0
    control.12 {
    comment.access 'read write'
    comment.type BOOLEAN
    comment.count 2
    iface MIXER
    name 'Beep Playback Switch'
    value.0 true
    value.1 true
    control.13 {
    comment.access read
    comment.type IEC958
    comment.count 1
    iface MIXER
    name 'IEC958 Playback Con Mask'
    value '0fff000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000'
    control.14 {
    comment.access read
    comment.type IEC958
    comment.count 1
    iface MIXER
    name 'IEC958 Playback Pro Mask'
    value '0f00000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000'
    control.15 {
    comment.access 'read write'
    comment.type IEC958
    comment.count 1
    iface MIXER
    name 'IEC958 Playback Default'
    value '0400000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000'
    control.16 {
    comment.access 'read write'
    comment.type BOOLEAN
    comment.count 1
    iface MIXER
    name 'IEC958 Playback Switch'
    value false
    control.17 {
    comment.access 'read write'
    comment.type BOOLEAN
    comment.count 1
    iface MIXER
    name 'IEC958 Default PCM Playback Switch'
    value true
    control.18 {
    comment.access 'read write'
    comment.type INTEGER
    comment.count 1
    comment.range '0 - 64'
    comment.dbmin -6400
    comment.dbmax 0
    iface MIXER
    name 'Master Playback Volume'
    value 64
    control.19 {
    comment.access 'read write'
    comment.type BOOLEAN
    comment.count 1
    iface MIXER
    name 'Master Playback Switch'
    value true
    control.20 {
    comment.access 'read write user'
    comment.type INTEGER
    comment.count 2
    comment.range '0 - 255'
    comment.tlv '0000000100000008ffffec1400000014'
    comment.dbmin -5100
    comment.dbmax 0
    iface MIXER
    name 'PCM Playback Volume'
    value.0 255
    value.1 255
    control.21 {
    comment.access 'read write user'
    comment.type INTEGER
    comment.count 2
    comment.range '0 - 120'
    comment.tlv '0000000100000008fffff44800000032'
    comment.dbmin -3000
    comment.dbmax 3000
    iface MIXER
    name 'Digital Capture Volume'
    value.0 0
    value.1 0
    state.HDMI {
    control.1 {
    comment.access read
    comment.type IEC958
    comment.count 1
    iface MIXER
    name 'IEC958 Playback Con Mask'
    value '0fff000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000'
    control.2 {
    comment.access read
    comment.type IEC958
    comment.count 1
    iface MIXER
    name 'IEC958 Playback Pro Mask'
    value '0f00000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000'
    control.3 {
    comment.access 'read write'
    comment.type IEC958
    comment.count 1
    iface MIXER
    name 'IEC958 Playback Default'
    value '0400000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000'
    control.4 {
    comment.access 'read write'
    comment.type BOOLEAN
    comment.count 1
    iface MIXER
    name 'IEC958 Playback Switch'
    value false
    --endcollapse--
    !!All Loaded Modules
    Module
    usbhid
    hidp
    hid
    fuse
    radeon
    ttm
    drm_kms_helper
    drm
    i2c_algo_bit
    rfcomm
    sco
    bridge
    stp
    llc
    bnep
    l2cap
    crc16
    coretemp
    ipv6
    snd_seq_dummy
    snd_seq_oss
    btusb
    joydev
    snd_hda_codec_atihdmi
    fan
    snd_seq_midi_event
    bluetooth
    snd_hda_codec_realtek
    arc4
    ecb
    snd_seq
    snd_hda_intel
    iwlagn
    snd_seq_device
    snd_hda_codec
    sdhci_pci
    iwlcore
    snd_pcm_oss
    uvcvideo
    omnibook
    videodev
    snd_mixer_oss
    snd_hwdep
    pcmcia
    tifm_sd
    sdhci
    snd_pcm
    v4l1_compat
    snd_timer
    psmouse
    mac80211
    mmc_core
    yenta_socket
    vboxdrv
    snd
    cpufreq_powersave
    i2c_i801
    uhci_hcd
    r8169
    ehci_hcd
    iTCO_wdt
    intel_agp
    tifm_7xx1
    video
    rsrc_nonstatic
    soundcore
    firewire_ohci
    agpgart
    mii
    i2c_core
    pcspkr
    snd_page_alloc
    pcmcia_core
    iTCO_vendor_support
    led_class
    output
    usbcore
    tifm_core
    serio_raw
    cfg80211
    evdev
    cpufreq_conservative
    battery
    ac
    firewire_core
    rfkill
    crc_itu_t
    thermal
    button
    cpufreq_ondemand
    sg
    acpi_cpufreq
    freq_table
    processor
    rtc_cmos
    rtc_core
    rtc_lib
    ext3
    jbd
    mbcache
    sr_mod
    cdrom
    ata_generic
    sd_mod
    ata_piix
    pata_acpi
    ahci
    libata
    scsi_mod
    !!Sysfs Files
    /sys/class/sound/hwC0D0/init_pin_configs:
    0x12 0x411111f0
    0x13 0x411111f0
    0x14 0x99130110
    0x15 0x0221101f
    0x16 0x411111f0
    0x18 0x02a11830
    0x19 0x99a3093e
    0x1a 0x411111f0
    0x1c 0x411111f0
    0x1d 0x4016852d
    0x1e 0x411111f0
    /sys/class/sound/hwC0D0/driver_pin_configs:
    /sys/class/sound/hwC0D0/user_pin_configs:
    /sys/class/sound/hwC0D0/init_verbs:
    /sys/class/sound/hwC0D1/init_pin_configs:
    /sys/class/sound/hwC0D1/driver_pin_configs:
    /sys/class/sound/hwC0D1/user_pin_configs:
    /sys/class/sound/hwC0D1/init_verbs:
    /sys/class/sound/hwC1D0/init_pin_configs:
    0x03 0x18560010
    /sys/class/sound/hwC1D0/driver_pin_configs:
    /sys/class/sound/hwC1D0/user_pin_configs:
    /sys/class/sound/hwC1D0/init_verbs:
    !!ALSA/HDA dmesg
    pcmcia_socket pcmcia_socket0: cs: IO port probe 0xa00-0xaff: clean.
    HDA Intel 0000:00:1b.0: PCI INT A -> GSI 22 (level, low) -> IRQ 22
    HDA Intel 0000:00:1b.0: setting latency timer to 64
    iwlagn: Intel(R) Wireless WiFi Link AGN driver for Linux, 1.3.27ks
    phy0: Selected rate control algorithm 'iwl-agn-rs'
    input: HDA Digital PCBeep as /devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:1b.0/input/input9
    HDA Intel 0000:01:00.1: PCI INT B -> GSI 17 (level, low) -> IRQ 17
    HDA Intel 0000:01:00.1: setting latency timer to 64
    Synaptics Touchpad, model: 1, fw: 6.5, id: 0x82e0b1, caps: 0xb04711/0xe0440d
    Bluetooth: L2CAP socket layer initialized
    hda-intel: azx_get_response timeout, switching to polling mode: last cmd=0x018b0000
    Bluetooth: BNEP (Ethernet Emulation) ver 1.3
    hda-intel: IRQ timing workaround is activated for card #0. Suggest a bigger bdl_pos_adj.
    Bridge firewalling registered
    Last edited by teMplaryum (2010-01-26 10:15:18)

    Hi there!
    I had the very same problem with the same soundcard and found this thread.
    The problem got solved for me by adding the same line as you have to /etc/modprobe.d/modprobe.conf.
    However, I also had to create /etc/modprobe.d/sound.conf and add:
    alias snd-card-0 snd-hda-intel
    alias sound-slot-0 snd-hda-intel
    options snd-hda-intel model=toshiba power_save=0
    Notice the difference on the "model=toshiba" part.
    However, my laptop is not a Toshiba, but a Compal IFL90.
    I remember that in Ubuntu I needed(a long time ago) to add a line to /etc/alsa.conf with model=toshiba. I figured it might be worth a try, and well, it did.
    I hope this can help someone else.
    As for the OP: "You have my thanks!"

  • Online conference participants hear echo when cinema display is connected via mini-displayport, even though I am using headphones with mic.

    When I use Google Hangout or GoToMeeting, other participants in the meeting hear an echo of their sound -- loud and obtrusive. When I mute, it goes away.
    This only happens when I am using my Apple Cinema Display 27" (recent vintage) connected via the mini-displayport (natively, not an adapter).
    On my end, i don't hear their echo, but I do hear waves of squelching -- basically it sounds like their end is trying to adjust their input down to account for what it thinks I saying, even though I'm not talking, it's just the echo making that happen.
    Sometimes this doesn't occur -- it seems to crop up intermittently, but happens around 75% of the time at some point in a conversation.
    I am using iPhone-compatible in-ear earphones with built-in mic; the earphones are the rubber seal type, so there's no sound escaping them that the system should even be able to hear.
    I have my audio set up for "Headphones" as output device.
    Input device is set up as "External Microphone" -- this part confuses me because even though I know my Cinema Display has a microphone, the OS seems not to list it as a separate input device. So I wonder if it's getting confused trying to use both the cinema display's mic *and* the earphone mic? (see dropdown image)
    OS version 10.20.2; Macbook Air 13 inch, "early 2014" and Apple LED Cinema Display 27inch
    Earphones are skull-candy brand iPhone compatible (with built-in mic), plugged into the macbook air's earphone jack. (without the display connected, this has always worked fine -- and with a prior non-apple display that had no mic/camera this was not a problem)
    This is an ongoing issue in our office, in fact ... especially troublesome in client meetings.
    I haven't tried other configurations, other than when using the Cinema Display's USB connector, the same thing happens.
    It also happens even when I'm not using the "USB PnP Sound Device" you see listed in the dropdown here -- that's something I use for controlling music output to my desk speakers.
    A general question: is there no way to control the cinema display's mic and/or camera more directly?
    (EDITED TO ADD: Ok I see in the Cinema Display manual, there should be a listing for "Display Audio" in the input list, but my SysPref panel has none listed. See other screenshot. I wonder if this is the problem??)

    Curious, is the 30-inch Cinema Display you have, one listed in this Support Article:
    •Apple Cinema Display (20-, 23-, and 30-inch DVI) - Technical Specifications
    or is yours a later build series; which one do you have...? This says Mini unsupported.
    The specifications vary across the line of Displays, as do the graphic support in Macs.
    I'd suspect your version is a later 30-inch display, but it may be one of these. And a
    newer 27-inch Display has the Thunderbolt cable.
    In any event...
    Good luck & happy computing!

  • Crossover Settings Confusion and Other Questions

    Equipment is as follows:
    - LG 55-inch 55LH90 LED TV
    - Denon AVR-590 A/V Receiver
    - Klipsch HD 500 5.1 Speakers
    - DirecTV High Def Satellite Receiver/DVR
    Long story very short is that I hit a button on the receiver remote about two weeks ago, unknowingly changing the existing audio settings to something along the lines of Matrix or Direct or Stereo.  I'm not one to fool with trying to customize settings on equip. like this... I usually just use the very basic functionality in controlling the equipment, as that's why I paid money 1.5 years ago to have everything professionally installed and calibrated.
    Upon accidentally hitting that remote control button, my audio went to pot, was very muffled, volume was minimal, sound was hissy, etc.  Sounded like I was listening to $15 speakers.
    Had no idea what had happened, didn't want to fool with trying to figure it out myself, contacted the receiver manufacturer to explain what had happened, they recommended immediately that I reset the receiver and thought the processor had locked up.  Did the reset and that of course unfortunately scrapped all of my custom calibration settings that the installers had configured a year and a half ago.  Sound still not improved.  Recommended that I send the receiver in for repair.  I held off for a few days on doing that and finally found the likely cause / solution on a message board, clicked the same button on the remote that I'd likely clicked by accident a few weeks earlier, and the sound was back to a more normal level.
    However, now I'm left without all of those custom calibrations via the Audyssey stuff that was erased, and I'm lost as can be as to how to get our system sounding like it did prior to all of this happening approx. 2 weeks ago.
    I'm lost on the crossover frequency settings and what they should be, what the dials on the rear of the subwoofer should be set at, what the crossover settings for the front / center / rear surround speakers should be, etc.
    I ran the Audyssey configuration using the supplied microphone that came with the receiver, but the resulting sound just still doesn't sound at all like it did originally after the installers did all of the setup / configuration back in Aug. 2009.
    Audyssey sets the crossover levels of my front L/R speakers to 120 HZ.  Audyssey sets the crossover level of my center channel to 110 Hz.  Audyssey sets the crossover levels of my rear L/R surround speakers to 120 Hz.  In what I seem to remember is the "bass management" area of the receiver settings, the crossover for the subwoofer is set at 80 Hz.  I believe another setting for the subwoofer is LFE+Main, too.
    With the above in mind, I have no idea at all (1) if the crossover values are appropriate for the various speakers and the subwoofer in the mix to distribute high/mid/low sounds appropriately between the speakers and the sub, (2) I have no idea what the "Level" knob on the rear of the subwoofer should be set to (values range from Min to Max), (3) I have no idea what the LowPass (Hz) knob on the rear of the subwoofer (ranges from 80 to 100) should be set to, and am just very confused / frustrated that with the accidental click of a button on the receiver remote 2 wks. ago and then Denon's tech support recommending the most drastic solution to this issue in resetting the receiver's processor and erasing all of the custom Audyssey settings.  I'm left with very sub-par sound as a result of all of this and can't seem to get the re-run Audyssey calibration routine to get my system back to sounding as phenomenal / balanced as it did for nearly 1.5 years straight after the initial setup / calibration of everything back in Aug. 2009 by the Best Buy professional installers.
    Any explanations of what the crossover settings for all of my speakers and subwoofer, knob settings on the rear of the subwoofer should be (in general, mind you, as I know all situations / environments / listening preferences are different), or any other helpful recommendations are GREATLY appreciated.  I'm very frustrated that Denon's tech support didn't first have me see if I had accidentally adjusted the sound properties via the remote via an accidental button click as opposed to taking my receiver back to square one.  I'm not a technical master of this stuff and have no idea what I'm doing wrong in trying to get everything back to sounding like the great system it used to sound like.
    Thanks in advance for any clearly-explained suggestions / recommendations on all of this.  My last resort is to contact Best Buy and pay them to come back out to re-calibrate everything themselves if I can't figure out where my calibration settings / adjustments are wrong.

    As I said in my first post in your other thread "you changed a setting the receiver and speakers are fine" <- not word for word but close to what I said LOL.  I knew from what you described thats what it had to be.  I do have a  concern about the phase issues and the distance readings but that could be placement of mic or if your speakers are facing straight out instead of being slightly faced inward.  May I ask where did you place the mic and was it on a tripod? I suggest either borrowing or buying a camcorder tripod for this.  I answered your questions below in blue.
     Also before ever doing a reset on any piece of equipment check the internet for some ideas as it could save you a lot of headaches. 
    bmccollum wrote: 
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