Midi loops in browser sound different in arrange window controller messages

I have a problem with controller messages as well with fx
I audition a midi loop it has FX and then drag it to arrange window
sounds different, I know of ther is another topic about the FX,
But as well controller messages not being read right
say a Timpani loop, foot controller is not reading
so the timpani roll is gone

This is not a problem, it's intentional design.
The preview audio contains reverb for these instruments, because the sound is in context - it let's you hear it how you are typically going to use it, and use can use it as an audio loop without problems.
When you load it as MIDI, it does not add another reverb to the channel because it assume you are going to use a global reverb, rather than add individual reverbs per channel - this is the generally better way of doing it, and avoids new users having a hundred reverbs on individual channels when they only need one.
As for articulations switched by MIDI, the preview audio can contain only one sample, but if there are different articulations, they need to be played/switched accordingly.
It's not a bug, it's the way it works for flexibility in the main. You have to remember, that when stepping up from a entry-level program to a professional one, a lot of hand-holding that the entry level programs do is no longer there, and so you can feel like the pro version is "less good" than the entry one. This is not the case - professional users do not need hand-holding, and that generally gets in the way.

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enjakobsen wrote:
Also I noticed that it loads instruments like "strings" and "piano" where I would expect it to be using the more sophisticated EXS sampler.
To answer this question, loops are created to be used with Garageband, so all of the instruments selected will use Garageband instruments.
The other more important question....I DON'T KNOW! Great question, I'm having the same issue with mine. I hope someone can shed some light on this. If you double click the 'strings' instrument in the channelstrip where you have your 'Desire A Cellos' and select the 'Cellos Pizzicato' preset instead of the 'Cellos' preset that is selected, you get much closer. It seems like it has defaulted to the wrong setting. Your right though, there's definitely some verb there too. And also, if you then change your song key, the loop in the arrange window should change with it, but mine is not.
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when I drag a midi loops (green loops) into the arrange area it will not play the same sound........ mean I'm not getting the same effect of the midi loop at the arrange area & I don't want use these loop on audio track. I know if I drag the midi loops into audio track it will create an audio loop sounds same effect what I'm listening at the Loop browser but I want to use these midi loops in there own midi track.
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Thanks Jorge for getting back to me.
I tried what you said and when I do get the first Capital Violin 2 midi loop and turn it to green. There is a slight staccato sound but not much. When I move the modulation wheel and select the first sound in the piano roll, yes I can hear a dramatic staccato sound. But the minuet I get the play head to the front of the loop and play it from start it is gone again. Quite frustrating. I would love to get that energetic Capita F Violin 2 midi sound but it doesn't have the power or anything like what it sounds in the loop browser.
Any extra tips on how to KEEP the sound after playback would be a great boost to my musical loop understanding.
But thanks for those suggestions!
I am using a 49 E keyboard and it has a Pitch Bend Wheel and a Modulation Wheel to the left of the keys. The volume control on the 48 e is all the way up. That is another problem I have is even when I push the volume up high in the arrangewindow more often than naught the loops don't seem strong like they do in the loop browser.
But again, my main problem is a lack of strong staccato sound.
Bill
Message was edited by: William Furner1

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+Note: Blue Apple Loops will not play if placed on instrument tracks.+

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kent swearingen wrote:
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