MIDI Punch In

Hi All - I am new to GarageBand but have used other packages which do this - can you nominate a point to 'drop in' or 'punch in' a MIDI event? It seems that if I go back and try and re-do a chord or a couple of notes in a bar, I then overwrite other events later in the bar, even if I don't go to that point - when I stop recording, all the events to the right in that bar are gone. As I frequently anticipate bars by a 16th note or so, this becomes a vicious circle. Also if I try and paint in a note over a barline GB won't let me - it wants to move it to one or another bar.
Is there an answer in GB or do I really need to upgrade to Logic - this is something I intend to do but in most respects GB does everything I want.

Thanks but that is not what I see. Actually I really don't understand how GarageBand 8 handles overdubbing or dropping in. There doesn't seem to be anything in the Getting Started manual, nor in the Help.
What is happening is I try to record, say, bars 22-24, but other events in later bars dissappear as soon as I record anything. (This is all in MIDI mode. I have migrated over from CuBase SE, before that OpCode MusicShop - so I know what I'm doing.)
Either this application is not behaving as it should, or I don't understand it.

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I can actually recreate this behaviour.
1. Create two audio tracks with identical inputs
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crucial: 3. Select the first track and record arm the second track
4. Set the playhead before the punch-in point, hit record and play some random MIDI
I got this:
However, when I disarm audio 4, it's as it should be: audio gets recorded on audio 3, and the MIDI does not get recorded at all. So it seems it's a matter of making sure no unselected track is armed.

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Either right click with the mouse, or hold down the "control" button on your keyboard while simultaneously pressing the mouse button (the 'regular' mouse button).
Do this while pointing the mouse down in the transport area. This will bring up a menu where you can customize your transport. In the right hand column you will see your punch in options.
The auto punch may already be in your transport.
On the right side, it looks like an 'up and down' arrow above a little anvil looking thing. When you activate it you'll notice another section on the ruler, that has a red area. This is where the punch will occur, audio or midi.

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How do I set the punch in and out markers for midi. I know this is basic, but something is off. Help!!!

http://discussions.apple.com/thread.jspa?threadID=2209162&tstart=45
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Recording MIDI and Audio at the same time....

I am having an issue recording a simple piano softsynth along with a guide vocal. Whenever I punch in, the audio punches fine but the MIDI/softsynth track hiccups, causing a lag in sound even though the MIDI info seems to record fine. Also, this does not happen when recording MIDI alone-everything punches in fine. Is there some setting I'm missing somewhere or is Logic not able to do this smoothly? Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks.
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Hi Fred,
I bring you my wisdom...Yes there is hope.
What you need to do is set the part you want to bounce into cycle mode. Dont worry, it will not cycle, it just knows now where to start and stop.
Audio and Midi can be recorded at the same time, as long as the midi is from an AU within the mac and not from an external source.
Good luck,
Joe
There is always hope

Saving MIDI edits in GB3 - is it possible?

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Thanks for the reply, Christoph. Kind of what I was afraid of - sounds like I need to step up to a real sequencer app like Logic for this type of MIDI functionality. Have you worked w/ Logic Express? Can you do punch/step recording w/it? Are there are other MIDI-specific Mac apps that simply let you record, edit and playback MIDI files - that's all I really want to do.
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Logic Pro midi start/stop remote

I would like to start and stop (and even record) in logic with MIDI-commands from my keyboard (Roland RD-700GX).
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voss.audio wrote:
(look at FAH and FCH!)
Well I downloaded the Midi Implementation manual and it says that these the S1 and S2 buttons send this messages for start/stop. They are labeled as "Real Time Midi messages" but I could not understand if they are MMC ones for this device. If it is standard MMC it must looks like:
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07 Record Exit (Punch out)
08 Record Ready (Record Pause)
09 Pause
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0B Chase
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40 Write
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47 Shuttle
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I will ask my question on another way. How guys are you using the punch in/out mode ? tell me the context and the options selected for this.
For me it is made for replace a part of a recording that you don't like and repeat that until you get te right take.
I've rea the manual but I don't find what I want to do.
Image you record 4 measures and you don't like the 2 last measures. You want to replace it. It's what I want to do. For me I thought you could put the cycle mode on over the 4 measures and put the punch in/out mode on the 2 last measures with the replace button activated. That's doesnt work. After I've tried the same method with selecting the take folder option in the project record option. But I can't heard the 4 measures in the loop. I just heard the 2 last measures that are between the punch in/out selectors.
Could you help me please?
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Crashing with Midi recording...

setup...
logic 9.15
os x 10.6.8
axiom 61 usb keyboard
macbook pro - i5
I'm having lots of crashing with the above system.
- i open a new default logic empty project
- add 1 software inst - key 88 sound
withing minutes of recording and fooling with 8 bars of midi - logic may crash.
arrange window & piano roll & maybe score window at same time
- let's say i record 8 bars
- then try to punch in eith with cycle record or not
- after a few minutes of this - logic may crash
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i imagine there might be some prefs to toss - which ones?
any othe ideas?
Thanks - dave

Are you using the Axiom control surface software?
Is there something installed with Axiom that has "Hyper" in the name or something similar.
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~Library/Preferences/com.apple.logic.pro.cs
It will be recreated next time Logic boots.
Also, it doesn't seem to be related to this does it?
http://support.apple.com/kb/TS3968

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Yet another nasty punch in/out bug

What is this?? Punching in before a region then punching out inside the region DELETES IT! This is in replace mode. Am I missing something here? Check it out:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WqJ4hyYT1Ak

Murray Campbell wrote:
This quote from the 9.02 update page:
+- Flex Markers can align & snap to MIDI notes _Performing a punch-in recording with Replace Mode now behaves correctly_+
Isn't the problem discussed in this thread exactly the bug that 9.02 is supposed to have fixed?
This is not the problem. Replace mode was broken with the release of version 9, but was fixed in the 9.02 update.
The problem we're discussing here, is, the audio region that follows the punch out point often now disappears from the arrange page.

Sound volume dropping when punch in and out.

Hi,
I have an iMac 27" mid 2010 that I upgraded with 16GB RAM which runs Yosemite. I also have a focusrite sapphire pro 40 hooked to an octopre dynamic MK II. I am using Logic Pro 9.
When I record a band, after few punch ins, the software starts to glitch...
When I punch in, the punched stem is a bit quieter than the rest of the track, although nothing have changed in terms of levels.
Another issue is when I select the tracks I want to record before I press record everything is fine, then as soon as I press record all my tracks are record enabled apart from the ones I selected.
These issues occur always when the session is getting more tracks (approx 25/30 without any plug in just pure audio input)
Can someone please help!
Also I have a legitimate version of logic studio!
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Midi and Audio tracks simultaneously armed for recording

All, whilst engaged in laying down the bass track for the guitar solo section of my latest monster his, I encountered one of those sorts of frustrations that makes one long for some means of swift egress from this mortal coil, this vale of tears: that is, while laying down my totally awesome bass track that when they hear it will send JP Jones and Boosty Collins to employee as actuaries, I kept getting the hateful "unable to synchronize the audio and midi error." I'll spare you the catalog of the various lame attempts I understood to remedy this problem, as well as the curses directed toward my fate, and Daw ineptitude in general. Then I nnoticed that both the software instrument tracks (Addictive drums) and the audio track (aforementioned bass) were both armed for recording, signified by the red R in the track header! Well, upon de-arming the software instrument track I was able to record by bass line in a mimimum of takes, and as visions of illegal intozicants and comen of questionable morals dance through my noggin as recompsense for my trouble, with to make the point to all relative newbies such as myself that the answer to problems that seem on surface intractable as usually staring you right in the glazed eyeball.

What?...
I'm sorry maybe I don't understand everything you are sayng... but I can replay to the titles of the Topic!
Actually recording a MIDI instrument and an Audio Track symultaneously comes with serious bug!!!
you cannot use Punch-in on Fly when an Audio and instrument track is armed at the same time...
or better you can but the MIDI and audio output will be dropped for a moment
Provide a Logic feedback
http://www.apple.com/feedback/logicpro.html!
THIS IS A LOGIC 8 BUG!!! BIGGEST SERIOUS BUG!
I suggest you to use Logic 7 when you need that!
Thank you so much for remember me this..
I'm sorry no alternative solution... or.. if you have 2 Macs you can use one for Logic MIDI and another one for Logic Audio!
G

Midi and audio regions overlap when recording with autodrop

Say you are playing a melody for notation purposes with midi. You record 2 bars. Region is 2 bars long. You learn the next 2 bars and notice that this phrase actually starts at bar 2 beat 4. So you set autodrop to bar 2 beat 4 and punch in. The new region begins at bar 2 beat 1. If you adjust the region start point you see the end of the first region hiding behind it. In the score window, before trimming that new regions start point, you see rests for the new region and notes from the first region together..really lame. If you trim the new regions start point to bar 2 beat 4 it looks right. This is in replace mode mind you.... Why doesn't the punch appear at the autodrop location instead of at the beginning of the bar. I don't remember logic working like this before, did it? Seems like it was doing the same thing with audio, had regions hiding all over the place behind punches...very confusing. I saw a similar post but it didn't seem to resolve this issue...Is it a bug? Mike Peters
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A few things (and there aren't many) regarding capture recording... For me it's been a tried-and-true feature of Logic for a very long time and continues to work flawlessly.
How Capture Works (and some operational notes)
Logic continually captures any and all MIDI data from the time you hit PLAY to the time you hit STOP, even if you're not "in record". Notes, program changes, controllers, sysex, anything MIDI will get buffered as you play and are ready to be turned into a region once you hit your Capture k/c. You can play to picture, improvise, whatever, for a very long time and never worry about Logic losing any of what you played.
The KEY is that after you hit STOP, you must hit your Capture k/c before hitting PLAY again, because once you hit PLAY, the MIDI buffer is, out of necessity, be cleared.
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One other operational note that's really important...
CYCLE MODE: If Logic is set to cycle and the cycle wraps to the L-locator before you've captured your performance, you will lose what's in the MIDI buffer. Jumping back to the L-locator in cycle mode is the equivalent of hitting STOP and then hitting PLAY. This is probably the single most important thing to watch out for. I've lost a few good "noodlings" because I had my L-locator set too close.
Hope this helps. I'd be curious to learn of your Capture experiences and see what you guys think!
-=iS=-
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Post subject: Loss of volume: recording MIDI to audio

Hi all,
I normally don't convert my MIDI drums to audio but I did so recently in order to play with reverses and time stretching (recorded by setting MIDI output as Bus 1, Audio input as Bus 1). When I played back my drum audio track, I noticed that it wasn't nearly as loud as the MIDI track. Is this standard? I ended up putting a compressor on the Audio track for more gain, but just wanted to make sure.
Thanks!

Sometimes it does. You want to make sure that volume levels are at optimal levels. Some instruments set their default levels very conservatively. If you 'split out a drumkit'. You will notice the hihats might very soft in relation to the kick..
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