Milestone confirmation and scrap operation

Good morning :o)
I created a new Control Key u2018ZMILu2019 which is a direct copy from our standard control key u2018PP01 u2013 Automatic Goods Receiptu2019 but with the Milestone Confirmation indicator set.
I then created a new routing for material X, added 2 operations:
0010 u2013 V1 u2013 PP02 (No Auto GR)
0030 u2013 V1 u2013 ZMIL (Auto GR + Milestone) (I made a mistake and had to delete 0020, hence 0030)
I then processed a confirmation against 0030 and all looked fine, it back-flushed the correct material and attracted the correct costs to the MAC/LAB activities assigned against each operation.
I then processed a scrap confirmation against operation 0010, it correctly issued another 261 for the appropriate back-flush material/qty but it didnu2019t attract any extra activity cost for the quantity posted in the confirmation, do you know why this is? I assume itu2019s likely a setting against control key ZP02?

Good evening,
OK after some testing I have found the following:
If I scrap via CO11N everything is updated as required but if I go via the SAP console (LM01) and scrap the product I find the following:
Running transaction CO14, I see the scrap Qty, if I then go into details I can see the Qty has been updated but the activities have not!!
If I scrap with CO11N and follow the above process the activities are being updated against the scrap qty value.
A little lost on this one, any ideas would be appreciated.
Thanks in advance.

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