Mirrorless Camera Selection - Kit Lens only?

Bestbuy should carry these cameras with the option of buying the body only, w/ prime lens or kit lens. I really do not see the reason for buying a pocket size camera and only using a huge kit lens .
Most people will never buy another lens so the kit lens will be a popular choice. Still some of us already have the kit lens or replace their pocket camera with a mirrorless+prime lens.

Hi msocor,
I completely hear where you are coming from on this, and if I was ever to purchase a compact system camera I would be purchasing it as a more portable option to my DSLR. I have forwarded your idea onto the appropriate team here at our corporate headquarters.
Thanks for posting,
Allan|Senior Social Media Specialist | Best Buy® Corporate
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